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Recently the Obama Administration’s Department of Defense announced that women would now be permitted to serve in combat roles in the US military. MRCTV visited a college campus to find out how young Americans felt about this and whether — in the name of gender equality — they would also like to see women eligible for a military draft.




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Maschio
Maschio

Only men can be forced to be cannon fodder, women cannot! No draft for women! A male.

tinlizzieowner
tinlizzieowner

In a 1981 case called Rostker v. Goldberg, 453 U.S. 57 (1981), the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the argument that the draft is unconstitutional because only men are required by law to register. In so holding, the Court ruled that the Selective Service process is designed to enable the federal government to assemble "combat-ready" people. Because women were excluded from combat in 1981, there was no basis for requiring them to participate in the draft. As a result, the law was permissible as written.

With the recent lifting of the ban on women in combat, however, the Supreme Court's rationale in Rostker v. Goldberg may no longer hold up. As a result, the law may have to be changed to require women to register for the draft in order for the law to pass constitutional muster.

In short, the Obama Administration has likely (and stealthily) taken away the protection that women had of not being forced into military service (conscription) should the draft be reinstituted. The only public discussion (and only when the decision was imminent) was focused on how women who want to be in combat should be allowed to serve in combat positions. There was no discussion about the consequnece of lifting the ban for women who do not have an interest in combat.

Yes, there are many men who do not have an interest in serving in combat positions, but that is besides the point. What the Obama Administration has done, under the radar, is to give some women (those who want to serve in combat) a "right" at the expense of the protection previously afforded to all women.

Now that's a war on women!

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/01/uncle_sam_wants_you_young_lady.html#ixzz2Jf0nyjZN

Orangeone
Orangeone

Thank you TLO! Between your post and great insight and Feinstein's assault weapons ban and desire to leave women less armed to protect against attackers, Barky's Admin and the Dems war on women is definitely more visible!

tinlizzieowner
tinlizzieowner

Going to get kind of lonely around here should the draft be reinstated and all those women who voted for Obama flee to Canada, like their (liberal) men did during 'Johnson's (D) war'. (For the 'kiddies' around here, it was more commonly known as Viet Nam). ;-) ;-)

P.S. We at the Military Heritage Museum thank you for your additional donation and our (Right Scoop) friend who brought her son to visit it, thanks you too. :-)

tinlizzieowner
tinlizzieowner

Down there, they will figure out that they are 'Gringos' and (liberally) free for the (pocket) picking, you know just like in New York City. ;-) ;-)

Orangeone
Orangeone

Me hopes too! Then they can head to Mexico and see what living without freedom is really like

tinlizzieowner
tinlizzieowner

With any luck, Canada learned their lesson last time and they won't have anything to do with these leeches.

Orangeone
Orangeone

On the bright side, the libs will be gone along with their welfare dependents :)

hongryhawg
hongryhawg

Women care about draft beer; not being drafted.

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

Bwaaaahaaaaaahaaaaaa Now there's a kid type statement!

UnCL3
UnCL3

Women have worked long and hard for their equality...I say let them have a FULL share of it!

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

You mean until one leaves you/ your friend out in the middle with bullets flying every direction and then you see her headed for the hill. That's the equality huh. Been there and aint never going back! NEVER

UnCL3
UnCL3

Look at the bright side...maybe they'll stop voting with their vaginas and use their heads for a change...or are they gonna wait until a few of THEM start coming home in caskets.

Over all, it's a REALLY BAD idea.

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

That would indicate that Eve used her head in the Garden, Alas she did not. That was several thousand years ago. Care to try again? J

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

That would indicate that Eve used her head in the Garden, Alas she did not. That was several thousand years ago. Care to try again? J

Orangeone
Orangeone

Unfortunate event but thankfully this school has an armed police resource officer, the hero who apprehended the shooting suspect, also a student at the school, “within minutes,” authorities said during a late afternoon news conference. http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/shooting-at-carver-high-school/nWB9y/

Wanaka Harrison, who has a daughter in seventh grade, said she believes the shooting was not random, but a fight between two students.

More support for the NRA's position to have armed properly trained experts in schools.

SirJamesBond007
SirJamesBond007

On debate:

Conservatives could learn a thing or two from liberals about debate. This is what I see happening if a liberal were to argue -for- instead of against the right to bear arms:

(Either side brings up a time when someone was murdered by a gun, who didn't have a gun to protect themselves)

Liberal defending right to bear arms: So was the outcome of that murder your best case scenario?

Politician who wants to ban guns: What?

Liberal: Well, you took away the person's right to defend themselves, what outcome were you hoping for? Because this is the outcome you'll always get by removing the right of law abiding citizens to own and bear arms.

cabensg
cabensg

I suggest the young people should be introduced to boot camp training and a little front line action minus the pull back of standards for women. They've been brainwashed into thinking this is about women's rights. Reality and fantasy don't mix well in war.

Orangeone
Orangeone

Women sued, it isn't about brainwashing.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

But, Orangeone, there ARE different standards for women. The physical fitness test for men is a timed 3 mile run. You best do it in under 20 minute, pull ups, max 20, everyone maxes this one, and situps, as many as possible in 2 minutes. max is 80.

For women, they have a timed run of 1.5 miles best be in within 15 minutes, a dead hang, rather than pullups. They pull up once and hold themselves up there as long as they can, then situps.

My OTHER problem is this. With my body armor on, I weighed about 250 pounds. If I've been shot and need to be fireman carried to safety, how many women could lift 250 dead weight pounds from the floor onto their shoulders then run through fire to save me?

There are a few, but they are the exception rather than the rule. Combat does not allow time outs and crying fits or screaming for someone who has a different duty at that moment to "switch" duties in the middle of a firefight. It can't work. Physical, I just don't see how it could possibly work.

Lets not forget that we urinate and deficate, usually in the wide open in front of God and every one. That's how it is. They've never once, that I know of, dragged a portapotty to a battle.

I still love you, tho.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

Now THAT I agree with. Women COULD be turned into warriors, like Israel. They have an entirely different culture and threat so women there tend to be a bit more serious and conservative so THEY understand. Our Jerry Springer culture raises fat, stupid people. Just look to the white house for evidence.

Orangeone
Orangeone

Turnabout can be a very good thing. If the standards are lowered, the men need to sue. The Pentagon said combat is at the woman's choice, not required.

I do believe they should be required to register for the draft.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

In that case I agree. The problem with that though, is that not one single woman is capable of graduating Marine Corps Bootcamp with the same requirements as a man so the ultimate outcome would be NO women in the Corps. We have women in support roles now but HAD to change the standards to allow them a shot at passing boot camp and earning the title, Marine.

I know to never say never but what would happen is there would be 15 or 20 women who could pass muster. The Marines currently have thousands of women. So, we dismiss 8000 female Marines to give 15 or 20 very strong women a shot at serving in combat?

Orangeone
Orangeone

I don't believe standards should be changed and didn't make reference that they should be.

My point is this. Women sued. Let them have what they asked for. They will soon look in the mirror and say WTH, what was I thinking?

Floyd Alsbach
Floyd Alsbach

I think that women who volunteer to serve in combat roles, and who can get through combat training (the ole' hump an 80# pack 5 miles etc.) should be allowed into combat. Women already serve in forward support, and have served honorably in combat many times in our recent conflicts. And yes women should have to register for the draft as long as young men do. Meanwhile I think war should be total war, when it's over and we've won, then pack up and go home. No making the world safe for democracy BS, no installing a Democracy. Fight all out, full tilt and then go home, or don't go to war at all.

aposematic
aposematic

Very busy today. While the Hagel dog and pony show is on today, here in VA we have R controled Legislature killing anti-Agenda 21 legislation and passing pro-Agenda 21 legislation. I can't express my contempt properly as I'd get kicked off TRS...

Orangeone
Orangeone

Rammie is writing letters to mutual funds now re: pushing out gun & ammo manufacturers. This affects retirement accounts and funds! Time to tell: Allianz, BlackRock, Dimensional Fund Advisors, Vanguard, James Investment Research and Capital World Investments that you will move your business away from them if they give in to the Chicago bullies!

http://weaselzippers.us/2013/01/30/chicago-dem-mayor-rahm-emanuel-sends-letter-to-mutual-funds-urging-them-to-divest-from-gun-manufacturers/

Landscaper
Landscaper

The survey should be done in different regions of the country. The responses would vary greatly at the campuses of Harvard, Yale, Stanford than it would be at Texas A&M, LSU, Alabama South Carolina.

What would it be at one of the service academies like Army, Navy or Air Force?

Steven Valdez
Steven Valdez

the only thing i'll remember from this video is the elf obsessed girl and the guy with the pink shirt doing parkour (aka freerunning)

TickedWhiteDude
TickedWhiteDude

Whatever...It seems lately that good people that have any morals whatsoever lose any battle we engage in. Women in battle? Sure thing... Women in football? Go right ahead...Hey, gays in football? Yeah needs to be enforced...What if we forced all straight football players to play in the "Gay-FL"...Im so sick of Godless liberals running this country down the drain. You watch, the superbowl will be an anti-gun / pro gay event...

ryanomaniac
ryanomaniac

If you're a feminist you should be required to be drafted. You want equality. At the very least we wouldn't have to hear anything out of them. Cause if you speak up...your a$$ is in the draft. Feminism will shrink to nothing.

aposematic
aposematic

That was pretty good, thanks Scoop!

snowshooze
snowshooze

So if the Enemy had Women on the front line, and our troops had to spend all day killing them...

Would that be worse, or better?

bjohnson55
bjohnson55

Sign em up for the draft right now, the last I checked equality cuts both ways, this is unless you are a white male between the ages of 1 and 100, then you suck and do not deserve equality.

Arrrggghhh
Arrrggghhh

For male soldiers, combat duty is mandatory. For female soldiers, combat duty will be optional. How is that equal? Although I'm not for it, the only way to make it equal would be to make combat duty optional for men as well.

The people who are treating the military as a social experiment, and not a fighting force, are going to kill us.

Bryan Ewbank
Bryan Ewbank

Though I don't think it's a great idea for a number of reasons, the crux of the matter is "same level of ability". One should reasonably expect that ones buddy could carry you out if you're injured while carrying their weapons if the worst happens.