Palin: GOP better not marginalize Ron Paul and his supporters

irrelevant. any endorsement of any level of a person like cynthia mckinney means you’re completely unqualified to even consider yourself a republican, let alone run for the party’s presidential nomination. take it from someone who lived in her congressional district for years.

she wasn’t known as “the cutest little commie in congress” for nothing.

willful manipulation of facts by his supporters? name one please. and have evidence that it was in any way willful or incorrect. So fat Ive read like 100 comments and everything anti-paul has no subsistence.

Ever heard of Mosadeq? Ever heard of Kermit Roosevelt? Did you know that the Shah of Iran tortured people?

You don’t need to go any farther than that to figure out why the leaders of Iran hate us, the USA tried to install a brutal dictatorship in Iran

Try picking up a history book and reading it, they are good for more than just as a door stop

Absurd. It wasn’t “marauding bands of Muslims”. Jefferson reacted on attacks of US shipping by Barbary Pirates. The Sultanate was extorting cash and Jefferson refused to knuckle under. This is a far cry from attacking a country that had not threatened the USA, not threatening US commence and not attempting to extort bribes. Your “logic” in linking these two events is fallacious.

Go ahead though….. Do a little jingoist dance to “support” your viewpoint. It will impress only those of limited knowledge and weak minds.

paulinpittsburgh: I believe you just proved the point of the Ron Paul supporters ( myself included ). The middle east has been in turmoil/war for over a thousand years with no true peace/end in site. This being the case, if we, the American people, believe we can bring stability to the region it will be in the form of military might/imperialism.
If this is the sentiment of the majority of the American people, then let’s take it to congress, declare war, win, put a flag on it and call it ours. To make things sound better at the end, we can tell those that are conquered that they can pray to anybody they want too, but we are taking the oil.
If, in fact, the American people are not ready for this, let’s start the process of bringing our troops home and enhancing our domestic agenda ( thus projecting our pwer and influence from our own shores ). Who knows, with a little American ingenuity and grit, we could invent things like bio-diesel thru algea that has a growth maturity rate of 2-3 days ( oh wait, already invented ) and start to alleviate our need for foreign oil.

We sure have the ability if the NWO would let us finish a war!
WE never finished Korea!
We lost Vietnam,
were told to leave Iraq,
are loosing in Afghanistan!

Good discussion, but the instability for the last 1400 years is why they shouldn’t be allowed to get atomic weapons.

Mfeathers I like your Idea!!
Now some one is making some sense!!!!
If you are not willing to settle the whole mess shut up!

Don’t you understand that the world is tied of US help they did not ask for?
…Or to put it differently: US please go home and take care of your own domestic injustice. (i.e. largest prison population per capita in the world, black and latino overwhelmingly). If this isn’t clear enough for you, and you still doubt that US foreign policy is dangerously flawed, take a moment and google following and you will understand: Imagine Chinese or Russian Military Base in Texas

Don’t you understand that the world is tied of US help they did not ask for?
…Or to put it differently: US please go home and take care of your own domestic injustice. (i.e. largest prison population per capita in the world, black and latino overwhelmingly). If this isn’t clear enough, and you still doubt that US foreign policy is dangerously flawed, take a moment and google following and you will understand: Imagine Chinese or Russian Military Base in Texas

But we didn’t go after them until after WWII Why? Those people have been killing each other ever since Abraham didn’t keep his privates in his own house OR PANTS! Guess what, they are going to go on fighting each other no matter what the US does WE ARE NOT THE POLICEMAN OF THE WORLD!!!!! One more point America has killed more Innocent people in the last 30 years than all the Muslim countries put together, so why should we even act like we are better then them!

lol

So Iraq tried to attack the USA before we invaded?

And where exactly is this country or organization called ‘Islamists’ would be able to issue a statement of surrender? Surely this isn’t just an intentionally overboard term used to justify a never-ending military campaign in the region?

And Christian European nations didn’t try the same thing and build empires all over the globe, right?

See, it took Paulinpittsburg 220 words to offer nothing of substance…

It only took Wyrdless 67 words of subsatnce to destroy them.

Good Job Wyrdless!

Ron Paul 2012

Gee, I dunno, maybe I should ask Thomas Jefferson about it and while I’m at it ask him why he “violated it” by sending a military force we now know as the US Marines to Tripoli in 1801.

How dare that war mongering Amerikan President dare to claim more authority on the US Constitution than Ron Paul and his supporters!

So, your only dispute is with the procedural methodology? You do realize that Iran declared war against the US when it invaded its embassy and held ransom its people? You do realize that Paul would vote no irrespective of the procedure done properly right? Of course, you do. Your only purpose here is to deceive. Iran is a very great threat to world peace. It is actively creating an atomic weapon that it has publicly declared it intends to use. They’re not doing it for “status.” They’re not doing it because they feel “threatened.” They’re doing it to destroy Israel and anyone who protects her. They’ll sacrifice the whole Iranian nation for this task as Israel is certain to retaliate. You do know what radiation is, right Paulbot? You do know how it travels, right? Surely, Ron Paul knows quite well (being a doctor) what radiation will do to a people. Surely, he also knows that this is the inevitable outcome of Iranian development efforts. The questions is.. does he care? Probably not. Do you care? … probably not.

You do realize that Israel declared war on the United States when they attacked the U.S.S Liberty, killing 34 crew members?

The irony of Christian Zionists supporting Israel so the “Rapture” can happen is that the Bible states the jews will be destroyed along with all non-christians when it comes. I suspect these christians don’t actually care if the jews die and go to hell later, just so long as they are around long enough for the bible crowd to get their ticket to heaven. Jews are using Evangelicals to prop up their Jewish Supremacist state, and the Evangelicals are using the jews to get raptured.

Nope. Paul has been right on the failed foreign policy of the US in the Middle East and elsewhere. Because of the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, the region was destabilized. That resulted in al Qaeda (Sunni) going from zero influence in Iraq to being a important factor. It also empowered Iran via Sayyid Muqtadā al-Ṣadr. In the wings is General Qassem Suleimani. A powerful Iranian general with huge influence in Iraq.

So, as a result of this intervention:
1. al Qaeda is now active in Iraq
2. Iran has increased it’s influence in Iraq and the region
3. More than a hundred thousand Iraqi’s have perished in the civil war 2004-2008.
4. The USA has spent or has incurred future liabilities of $1.8 trillion dollars
5. 4,486 US Soldiers have been Killed, 32,226 Seriously Wounded.

Civil war looms again in Iraq. And al-Sadr has called for new elections.

As a decided Ron Paul supporter I agree with you in that he doesnt appear to truly understand the nature of Islam’s role in the ongoing and never-ending conflicts in the middle-east which has now spread throughout the world in various forms. HOWEVER, having flown missions in every single theater of operation over there for the last 10 years, including participating in an exercise with the Israeli Defense Force, I am 100% certain that our current and past governments do not understand it either, and the results we have to show for what we put into that region support that indisputably.

SO….
All things being equal, I would much rather put the clueless man in charge who isnt going to squander unimaginable amounts of money, and wreck the lives of thousands of families, as well as entangle the country in a utterly pointless propaganda war and political mess that can only have a further negative effect on the country’s stature…..than continue electing clueless, or worse, deceptive, people who will continue the aforementioned insanity.

Let that part of the world tear itself apart, get what we can out of them via trade. It should surprise no one why the chinese look at us as being stupid. Based on our strategies and how we claim to be “protecting our interests” we certainly are being stupid.

If it’s just the elements you’re concerned about, you can survive as many northeast winters as you have to. There was no Mideast oil when the northeast was colonized, or when it was settled. You won’t be as comfortable as you are now, but you can deal with the weather.

so… you wait tables. I was wondering where a person with so much ‘knowledge’ of middle east history spends his days…

I’m not a Paul supporter. I don’t have an agenda to return to some mythical yesteryear. Whether the catastrophe comes in the form of nukes or economic utter collapse, the first six months or so will reduce the headcount radically. And I certainly don’t pretend we can do that and retain our current standard of living. But you spoke about surviving, not about living in ease and comfort.

Very well said!!

So all those AK-47 toting middle-easterns are gonna hop on planes and come tear down New York? Think about that. How the hell will these people from basically 3rd-world countries get here? And if they do, how the hell do we plan on protecting the homeland if our military is spread throughout the world and dying in the middle east? If our troops were here at home, they’d be here ready to protect our country. Instead we’re just over there stirring up more shit.

Who says they have to get it to the US to inflict permanent damage? Have you seen the oil markets the last few days resulting from just some sabre rattling and the POTENTIAL for a confrontation in the Persian Gulf?

What do you think will happen in those markets the morning AFTER Iran tests its first nuclear weapon? $200 a barrel oil, $250, $300 … what do you think happens to the global markets for EVERYTHING when they start digesting the reality that at any moment they could attack Israel, or a neighbor like Saudi Arabia at any moment with nuke?

You Ron Paul supporters can not be so naive as to believe if we isolate ourselves we can remain undamaged by at best the beginning of a nuclear arms race between Arab nations already fearful of Iran’s aggression or at worst a nuclear exchange in the middle east between Iran and Israeli.

There is no rational person who could see a positive outcome of Iran having nuclear weapon, unless WW III is something you desire.

Iran will not start WWIII but America will if they go after Iran! Here come the Chinese and the Russians and probable India.

dare, what you have just described is what the USA and Russia did for 50 years.

virtually every Representative/Senator voted in favor of NDAA. I will not get into #’s arguments. what that means is that the MAJORITY of our elected representatives voted to violate the Constitution and give ANY president authority to DETAIN ANY US CITIZEN INDEFINATELY!
In order to board an airplane, I must subject myself to radiation and a body pat down like a common criminal. My phone conversations are being listened to regardless of what I am told by my Government. Internet control is next.
Our monetary system is on the verge of collapse and the same people that voted the above are unwilling/unable to stop their spending. BTW, for the slow in the house, the Federal Reserve is not a government agency. It is a private Bank. It’s head is appointed by the president. When the FED makes money, the banks make money. When the banks lose money, the Taxpayers foot the bill.
That would be Fannie/Freddie, and that TARP bailout of $800 Billion. The FED(you and me) now has $Billions of Toxic Wall Street mortgage Bundles on their books that are worthless. They bought them from the banks at top dollar.
We will pay for those as well. BTW there is not one major bank in the US that is solvent now. They are all cooking their books with the approval of Congress and this administration. Don’t believe it? Research the difference between “marked to market”, and “marked to model”. The banks have been allowed to mark to any model they like. Fantasy!
As well the FED is supplying bonds at low rates, and the banks buy those bonds and then sell them back to the FED at higher rates days later, and WE pay the %interest!
Look at what happened at MF Global. More facts are coming to light daily, but the main point is that JP Morgan STOLE the money from segregated accounts. MF used something called “hypothecation”, in the new Frank/Dodd banking rules to move funds from customers accounts and gamble with them.
And the mentally challenged are worried about Foreign policy!
Russia got Nuclear Weapons, and did not destroy anyone.
North Korea got Nuclear Weapons, and did not destroy anyone.
China got Nuclear Weapons, and did not destroy anyone.
Israel got Nuclear Weapons, and did not destroy anyone.
The US is the only one with Nuclear Weapons that destroyed another nation.

If you are scared, run and hide under your mothers skirt. IF you are worried about terrorism, do the same, and buy a gun to protect yourself.
Right now I am much more worried about the intrusions of an overarching government on EVERY AMERICAN CITIZEN’S LIBERTIES.
Any thinking citizen should be!
Get your head out of reality TV and pay attention. This country is falling.

Go sign up for the Army so we can paratroop ya into Iran to get their bomb. Don’t be surprised you find nothing just like the WMD in Iraq. You’ll probably find a peaceful people wondering why the US which is 10,000 miles away has battleships in it’s gulf (imagine if China had a battleship in the Gulf of Mexico and troops in Mexico to get their oil), invading it’s air space, etc. I am no fan of a theocracy but I really don’t care if the Iranians have one. I bet if we dropped all sanctions and gave Iran first nation trading privileges the resulting middle class would throw of the mullahs in a heart beat. Sanctions lead to war and misery. Just think of Vietnam – what the French and Americans couldn’t accomplish in 20 years of war was accomplished in peace and trade. Instead we got 50,000+ dead US soldiers plus millions of dead Vietnamese. The founders where right, Ron Paul is right, Neocons are always wrong. Also, remember Newt and Mitt got deferments during Vietnam. When it was their time to serve they chickened out but have no problem sending other parents kids into danger.

Lastly remember Ron Paul gets twice as many donations from active military then all the other neocon chicken hawks. Say that 100 times real fast and never forget that “Ron Paul gets more active military donations then twice all the other Republicans combined”

Twice of all COMBINED. In other words, since you don’t know what that means, if you ADDED UP the amount of donations given to Romney, Perry, Newt, and Santorum then multiplied that total by two, it would still not equal the amount that Ron Paul receives. The military does NOT want to go to war with Iran. If you’re so hell bent on doing so, grab a gun and get your ass on a plane and do it your damn self, but stop sending our men out there to die for no reason.

Ron Paul uses the CIA’s own reports when he presents “blowback”. He’s reading from these reports. I encourage Ron Paul to run 3rd party if the GOP isn’t wise enough to nominate him.

No, Paul endorsed the specific POLICY of ending the wars and bring US troops home. He endorsed Chuck Baldwin FOR POTUS in Sept 2008.

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2008/cbarchive_20080923_2.html

He would abandon the idea of going to war with Iran, who Russia and China say they will defend, and he knows that Israel will not allow Iran to get a nuke. Israel is not imminently concerned about Iran having a nuke. After reading the IAEA report, it appears that the US is the only one imminently concerned about it.

So instead of letting Israel fight their own battles, we should go level a country for something they MIGHT do and in turn piss off Russia & China who could quickly level us? Great strategy. Maybe in America we should arrest citizens for crimes they MIGHT commit, but never actually have. Oh wait, with NDAA passing, they just might start doing that.

Manipulation of what facts I am curious? Do you think agenda 21 is conspiracy? it’s a verifiable fact and agenda 21 should have us screaming to get out of the NWO and UN (unless you don’t care about land/home ownership or private transportation options, or giving the GOV full control of all food, water, air & 80% of land that will be off limits).

911…I was diving in Cancun and my dive-master told me they heard before the planes even hit what was happening and it was inside job!

McVeigh was innocent, like you could cause that kind of explosion from a van full of manure?
Our Gov created Aids. my mother knew of a guy who was part of it and in hiding because everyone else involved was disappearing. (my mom worked in Aerospace, my Dad for city of LA architectural engineer) one of which is how she most likely knew the guy.
Let’s see, the hemp was first drug to become illegal and that was due to it being a threat to the Rockefeller monopoly of the oil and pharmaceutical industry. Now drug war is big $.
The Fed and income tax is illegal. Our founding fathers warned us about allowing private institutions to print $. Our labor was never supposed to be taxed.
Our government defends Monsanto like it is GOLD while allowing these products to flood our food supply w/o research or even requiring labels while most other countries want nothing to do with GMO’s in their food supply.

Cures for Cancer have been discovered, they are even ones that are good for you but they do anything it takes to keep them from being published.

Polio vaccines up until like 1998? Had a monkey virus that is cancer causing. (like that could be accidental).

The great depression was deliberate.

What else?

keep playing checkers while i play chess. allow me to expose the aforementioned manipulation and willful misrepresentation of facts.

“bring troops home” is a pretty easy position for a leftist to take. it’s certainly debatable within the republican party as to how deeply we should entangle ourselves in foreign affairs, but pure isolationism is not a mainstream conservative approach to the world — it’s george mcgovern 2.0 instead.

“balancing budgets” can be interpreted two ways. ron paul looks at it the correct way, that is, by slashing spending (even though he does apparently still like to vote for earmarks, but that’s another story entirely). the cynthia mckinneys of the world look to tax the ever-loving hell out of people and business in order to counterbalance the out of control spending.

“personal liberties” can also be interpreted two ways. there’s the constitutional approach — meaning that it’s not up to the federal government to get all up in my personal business unless i’m doing something to wrong others — and there’s the “lol i want to be able to do whatever the hell i want without repercussions” approach that many liberals take.

“investigating the Federal Reserve” sounds better than it really is. a person like ron paul could make a real difference if he was put IN CHARGE if the federal reserve, but investigations, as we’ve seen time and time again, are pretty pointless. the biggest problem is that the people in charge of setting these “rules and regulations” are UNELECTED, meaning we (and often times, our elected representatives) CANNOT TOUCH THEM, yet they’re still somehow able to circumvent the Constitution by legislating in a de facto manner.

again, as i stated earlier, i don’t dislike ron paul. i just think he’s running for the wrong position to most clearly bring out his strengths. the biggest problem with his supporters, however, is that while he speaks in well-thought-out paragraphs, his supporters like to run around quipping sound bytes and demonizing any republican who happens to disagree through insult and ridicule a la saul alinsky.

“keep playing checkers while i play chess.” Just a personal observation….I never beat my dad playing checkers, yet he never beat me at chess.

“Radical Islam” is a redundancy.

I’m voting for Ron Paul, but I agree with you. I think we have to keep in mind though that consider the alternative. Our current policy doesnt address the very point you make either. It pretends that just a few bad apples are the source behind all this conflict and not the institution & culture of Islam and the call for jihad. Islam is simply incompatible in any large scale with western civilization which is based on individualism (in some countries greater extents than others). The reality is the muslims, while there may be millions of them who wish for peace and to co-exist with other cultures, and can get along fine and not take their religion too seriously, are in the view of the majority, the bad apples, hence the phrase spoken from the rest of the world’s standpoint, “the only good muslim, is a bad muslim”.

So as much as it is clear Ron Paul doesnt grasp the reality of the situation, or doesnt want to, to me his policy is far preferable to a one that perpetrates continuous war, the loss of massive amounts of resources and tax money, and has clearly become a vicious cycle. He is right when he notes that Reagan pointed out that there is zero point in getting involved in that part of the world because those people and those in positions of power are completely irrational. Immigration from muslim countries should be highly restricted, and our interaction with them should be strictly via trade. Israel does not need or want us sticking our nose in their business of self defense. Netanyahu said as much on our very own House floor just last year. The notion that we would be “abandoning” them is pure hogwash. I have been there, I have worked with their military side-by-side, and met many folks on my own time, and this opinion is almost exclusively held by all of them.

You make a very good point, mfeathers. The NDAA bill is very dangerous indeed! However, Islamic jihad is a very dangerous ideology as well. There definitely has to be a “happy medium” between protecting our citizens from a very legitimate threat like Islamic jihad (and stealth jihad), and losing our freedoms in the process. I would just like RP to explain how he would handle this issue, and I will vote for him with no qualms whatsoever. Perhaps bombs and sanctions do not work in the Middle East, however, neither does merely “talking” to them. It is a very complicated issue. Islamists don’t just hate us because we bomb them, they hate us because we are not like them, a point that RP (as much as I like him and agree with him otherwise) hasn’t explained to my satisfaction! Their stated goal is to destroy the “Great Satan” (and the “little Satan” Israel), and create an Islamic Caliphate. Islam is just as tyrannical an ideology as communism ever was, because it is a PARASITIC political ideology disguised as a religion. You can’t separate Sharia Law from Islam, and the Constitution will not be able to help me if I am a “dhimmi.”

If that’s the case (hating us just because we’re not Muslim), why aren’t they attacking non-Muslim countries like Switzerland, New Zealand, Sweden, or even China? Oh, yeah, because those countries aren’t posted up in the Muslim “holy land”, bombing their countries, and killing their people. Let them fight amongst themselves in the middle east, we have no reason to put our troops lives on the line in never-ending wars

“ASHESTOASHES says,

Everything I have heard directly from the mouth of Ron Paul tells me that he is on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood … same view toward Israel … same view toward Jews … same view that American is the real problem in the world … disses America more than Obama … hates the military … he was even the one who started the conspiracy theory about the “vast military industrial complex” … and he will not recognize any enemy having declared war on us until all the proper forms have been filled out in triplicate and passed by a supermajority in both houses of congress … so to my mind Ron Paul and his supporters like You are just as bad if not worse than the National Socialist Party than currently runs this country !!!”

Nope. He thinks it a bad thing. He recognizes that attempting to do something about can have unintended consequences. The situation in Iran is changing. The old guard would lose power if it did not have the treat of the USA looming over the people in Iran. That allows Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to rally support on nationalistic sediments.

This is a waste of time. If some of you actually read the news that comes out of Iraq or Iran from all sources, including from the resistance and opposition, and unfiltered by those that have a bone to pick, you might begin to understand. Heck, even if you read the reports from the Western intelligence agencies you might begin get a clue.

How could Iran get a nuke here? Surrounded by our enemies? I wonder why that scenario could even be postulated. Maybe because we have stirred up so much trouble, they would jump at the first chance for payback? And if that was the case, considering Paul has argued that this will/is happening, would you blame Paul for angry countries attacking us? Your glib interpretation of world affairs is shocking. But years of hearing ” If America does it, there MUST be a good and Godly reason for it” have given you a misplaced sense of right and wrong.
You can lead a horse to water…….

We better invade Canada and Mexico now – good god for the sake of our children if we don’t start bombing Iran soon we’ll be surrounded!!! aaahhh!!

I suggest you read this before you spout anything more on the subject of the contents of the NDAA, specifically sections 1021 and 1022, these are the two sections that everyone are up in arms about.
http://www.lawfareblog.com/2011/12/ndaa-faq-a-guide-for-the-perplexed/

You did say you are interested in the truth.

“keep playing checkers while i play chess.” Just a personal observation….I never beat my dad playing checkers, yet he never beat me at chess.

nothing but love for people in the military. i didn’t serve myself, but i have a great handful of family and friends who either have served or are serving, and one of my most influential life mentors was a Lt. Col. whose wounds suffered ended up costing him his leg and eventually his life after complications from diabetes. i talk to these aforementioned servicepeople regularly, and i’d say their opinions on ron paul are fairly split — some are certainly huge supporters of his, while others are quite skeptical. i think it’s unfair to make a blanket statement of “the entire military exclusively supports ron pau and his policiesl” just as it’s unfair to make any statement about any large group of people.

i’m certainly not in favor of using war as a method to artificially boost the economy or fixing another country’s internal “problems” — the circumstances required to send men and women into harm’s way need to be much more dire than what got us into, say, libya. and the continued nonsense going on in afghanistan seems to be more the result of a lack of a clear directive than anything else, and i put that blame squarely on the shoulders of the shot-callers (read: politicians).

i hope that clarifies my positions a little bit for you, as i’m attempting to take small breaks in between being a good capitalist working a 14-hour day to answer both the civil critics (like yourself) and the not-so-civil critics (like a bunch of the other people on this comment thread who have come out calling me every monosyllabic slur in the dictionary).

BTW Tim,

Those of us who want all of our personal liberties also accept our personal responsibility understanding that the govt nanny won’t be there to pick up after me or you, nor do we want them there.

I gotta say, your argument is quite entertaining, but definitely not substantial. If you become familiar with the libertarianism, you wouldn’t be purposely making every platform Ron Paul stands for ambiguous. You’re right on one thing: Ron Paul is not your established neocon Republican. I like that. I used to be a GOP voter and supporter. Then I realized, Republicans and Democrats are all the same. Progressives. They run on a candidacy to “lower taxes, secure our borders, and SAVE AMERICA!!!” Yet, once they’re in office, it’s the same routine. Gun-boat diplomacy. Cut spending by <1%. Increase regulations that hinder business and pure capitalism, just to keep the corporations alive. I'm sorry, but I hope you wake up. You're GOP isn't here to save you pal. If you don't like Obama, Romney is the same man, with a different hairstyle and different color skin.

So sorry we "Paul-bots" or "Paultards" might actually love our country enough to see it restored. Because as much as you are bashing RP, I've realized you are too coward to display who you are supporting. Maybe it's because you know how shady and corrupt and progressive the GOP candidates are. And that applies to the rest of you war- mongering shmucks.

Bingo

Tim is wrong. Sorry. Get the shit straight here guys. If Ron Paul isnt nominated, ww3 will begin shortly thereafter.. any attacks on Iran will ensue the entire world in devastation military actions from every country. China will wipe us off the face of the planet. and they could. because it is illegal to own fire arms for most americans. which is unconstitutional. go hug your tv and kiss your ass good bye.

” the sky is falling!”

..Actually, that’s your rap. A country (Iran) that spends less than $10 Billion/year and a smaller % of it’s GDP on it’s military is an imminent threat to the USA. Who would have guessed?

I prefer to listen to those that have served rather than the computer commando bunch.

Who are you and these other clowns like O’Reilly, etc to determine what a Republican is? You and your immature, pre-pubescent, ‘my guy beat your guy’ school yard ignorance is exactly what led us to this pathetic, disgusting, and (probable) terminal state of affairs. I disagree with nearly every position Cynthia McKinney has politically, but Ron Paul supporters want more than Ron Paul the person… they want honesty and intelligence (in that order). So in that regard at least the woman has self-respect. How can you not be ashamed at how you allow the MSM to openly lie and manipulate you? They don’t even try and hide it anymore. Its sad, like watching a bunch of mentally retarded grown-ups watching TV. You’re idiots. You decide nothing. You don’t know who Rick Santorum or Herman Cain or Mitt Romney are– You only know what FOX and CNN tell you, and to be perfectly honest you’re embarrassing. and probably cannot be rescued from your own self absorbed, bloated, mind-numbing stupor at this point. So by all means, believe that Romney, or Santorum, or Gingrich, or Cain will beat Omamba.. but it ain’t happening. Zip, zero, nadda. No chance whatsoever ANY of us Ron Paul REPUBLICANS will give one hoot for your cause. You’re no different than the zombie Omamba hordes to us. We will write our candidate in in a general election, as is our right and our duty to the country we love, while you sit in front of your idiot boxes and wait for Sean Hannity to tell you how to think.
Fools~

Allow me to restate all your intelligent comments:

“You only know what FOX and CNN tell you, and to be perfectly honest you’re embarrassing. and probably cannot be rescued from your own self absorbed, bloated, mind-numbing stupor at this point.”

Sorry Tim but he has you there. I have heard most of your rants on the T.V.
Your capitulations as a means to run down Paul is very transparent. So please spare us your over used rhetoric and just go vote for Gingrich or whatever.

because Mckinney was so much worse than a nobody like Obama?! Or Mccain? please. poor excuses for americans. just like any of you that dont support my right to choose how to live my life. I support your rights. to utter complete bull about a decent person. Luckily it is all bull. which is why he got as many votes as he did. the non brainwashed americans know that he is our only hope. he is the only one that understands what we need. freedom.

She was also anti-corruption.

Ever heard of DynCorp and their child sex ring?

Endorse a policy is not the same as endorse a candidate. Are you really that thick?

lol your name says it all for me. No reply required.

Of course, Bailout Bush isn’t commie at all…or how about health care mandate Romney. Haha. Poor little Republicans, thinking commies who wave American flags are better than commies who don’t. You look awful lonely in the losing stands…oh wait, McCain just endorsed Romney…hahaha. I’ve never heard of a political party in history that imploded faster….Maybe the People’s Front of Judea…Hang on, I’ve got Duke Cunningham on the line…

Uh huh. “Vast threat” argument again. Get your history straight. Germany had some parity in Europe and was expansionist. Every potentially “hostile” country in the ME offers no economic or military threat to the USA.

Unless, of course the idiot policies that DC comes up with wreck this countries economy there will be no threat.

And that brings us back to Ron Paul. His policies will reverse the decline of the US economy. The policies advocated by Obama and his Republican party clones will bring the American economy down.

Read further. Listen to his older sound bites. It is all there in his own words. Not being exposed much by the press these days.

Nice try at being cute. But think about it a little more than a few seconds. Anyone who says: “If you’re not already supporting Ron Paul you don’t have any principles worth a damn anyway.”
Replace Ron Paul with any name you want in that sentence, but that is a totalitarian mindset to dismiss anyone who does not think exactly the same way you do.

You gave the political definition, not the mindset of an individual. The mindset of a totalitarian is one that allows no room for any other way of thinking but their own. Their way is the best and nothing can be said otherwise. All totalitarians from history thought this way. Unfortunately, many Ron Paul supports think this way. They are completely unaware that their mindset betrays the very principles they attempt to promote.

I do not disagree with you on that. The only point I am making is that people should not be so dismissive of other opinions.

This is what was said: “If you’re not already supporting Ron Paul you don’t have any principles worth a damn anyway.”

That statement is terribly sad and evidence of a close minded person. People who make these statements tend to hurt whoever it is they claim to support.

You’re like that knight in “monty python and the holy grail” who insists he’s still a threat even with no legs or arms. Come on, just admit you didn’t understand the word.

No, he used ‘totalitarian’ correctly, you are intentionally missing the point. The same way you are missing the irony in your statement:
“Ron Paul is the only candidate who wants to make the government’s impact on people’s lives smaller.”

The inference is that you make the government smaller by electing someone to the highest position in the land, instead of electing people from the bottom-up.

Essentially, you are wanting to enforce your ideal from the top down, totalitarian; the GOV. you want has all power to enforce YOUR ideal on the people. Whatever ideal that may be.

Government IS the problem. And that includes all career politicians. ALL career politicians.

You want smaller government involvement in your life? Get everyone around you to help you get local leaders who will put pressure on the top. Kick out the ‘old hands’, all of them, and put in representatives from normal walks of life. Start at the bottom, move up. Not Top-down. Top-down is totalitarian, by definition. Totalitarian isn’t all you define it as, it is not that simple. Totalitarian is not simply a limitless power, but a centralized power seeking more control; it doesn’t have to regulate everything you do… not at first, not ever. All it has to do is demand expansion of its power and implementation. Top-down.

If ‘President Paul’ has and uses the power to get rid of government programs, branches, expansions, etc… (not to mention the FED), which were created and funded by CONGRESS, then President Paul is the definition of a dictator. Congrats.

only if that law is the ideal of himself, and not legislated by Congress. The President doesn’t have the power to get rid of legislation already passed.

You can argue that he could cite the constitution as a base law, but hit a catch-22 where the President doesn’t have the power to do what is required to accomplish what you want: He’d have to break the constitution, to even ‘try’ to save it. Finding laws unconstitutional is the power of the courts.

Hard to realize that Paul can’t constitutionally deliver his constitutional movement?

Dr Paul is the ONLY candidate that wants to make the government’s impact on peoplle’s live smaller? ONLY?
What about Obamacare? Repealing it? That adds a LOT of impact on our lives. 26 states are suing the Federal Government to get rid of Obamacare and by doing so, would definitely make the government’s impact on people’s lives smaller.

And one of those states is Texas. And Rick Perry is the governor of Texas. Do you HONESTLY expect us to believe that Rick Perry does not want Obamacare Repealed and does not want to make the government’s impact on people’s lives smaller?

NO Rick Perry doesn’t want to make the governments]’s impact smaller. By Texas suing the government over ObamaCare, he is actuall DOING something to make the governement’s impact on people’s lives smaller.

So your statement is FALSE. Ron Paul is NOT THE ONLY candidate that wants to make the government’s impact on people lives smaller.

lol. Nope. Not an anarchist. I just believe in the people, and if we have a problem, the people can fix it. We need good people in government, absolutely, but I was actually quoting Reagan. “Government IS the problem.”

Still trying to define labels here Piquerish? Try giving someone a good honest debate on the current political system.. Empty suit…

Do you buy the notion that Ron Paul did not write and did not know about and does not know who wrote that disgusting skein of newsletters? “Honestly?”

Ah… it’s the newsletters… try taking a few hours and listening to Ron Paul’s speeches through the years, TRY to understand what he’s saying about Racism, without your media-provided definitions, and you may realize that he’s the best in the entire group. It amazes me that a person like you trying to teach us what a NeoCon is, obviously takes pride in your intelligence. Take that intelligence and apply it to doing your own research on Ron Paul’s character. If you can’t do that without dragging your pre-programmed media bias into it, well then you choose to be ignorant to the rest of the information. That’s not intelligence.

You need to go beyond what you’re being fed. Do it for yourself.. It’s apparent that you’ve not done that, or that you LIKE the assumption you have already.

THEN… you can put up a good argument if you still don’t agree.

Take your ball and go home?

Come on, patriot, some things are worth fighting for.

And during the Primary, I fully agree with you. That’s why I said what I did. During the primary, don’t you dare ‘sit it out’. The Primary is when the candidate is chosen, when your vote really has meaning for future direction.

But if you believe, as Palin does and as is the point of this clip, that without the Paul supporters the Republicans are in trouble, then you will be one sorry “I told you so” with another 4 years of Obummer.

I’m not yet an ‘all my way or nothing’ voter. I’m willing to fight for every little bit of conservative and small government that I can get. My kids deserve at least that much.

Un-american? Wow. Irony. You denounced and responded to a purported demonizing label with a demonizing label.

What is your definition of ‘American’?

Mine is this: We are willing to be ruled by law, with rights endowed by God, (whatever you call him or believe him to be), and willing to amicably disagree with each other, and due to that law, still be able to live our lives the way we want without interfering with each other. Example: a Mormon, a Jew, and an evangelical can all share a street with an Islamic family, and all raise their families their way, without fighting, killing, or stopping each other from teaching what they like. They can even hold a block party, all meet together, and talk, disagree, agree, and work out problems. All because we are willing to respect that others can disagree, but are still human and have inherent rights, and we all agree to be governed by that law.

What does it mean to you to be ‘American’? Is it a guarantee to an audience? Does ‘free speech’ mean you must be respected?

It is very possible to be ‘UN-American,’ but calling someone ‘Un-American’ for responding to free speech with free speech, regardless of what is said, is usually a good sign that it isn’t ‘un-american’ at all.

I’ve noticed that this poster can’t seem to staunch the raging case of logorrhea he has. Everything approaches dissertation lengths, apparently because he thinks it sounds so … erudite. I’ll bet if you count all the words of all the posters, he’s pages ahead. Oh, yes, photonsoflight is right, except he is projecting. You want him — us — to shut up, don’t you?

is that a deadmau5 head avatar? classy (no, really) FML

Hey Piquerish, you take lots of pride in your vocabulary… take that nice college education and use it to research WITHOUT, your own bias, Ron Paul’s paradigm on people in general and minorities in specific. Don’t let a good brain get sidetracked.

The 90% can do as they have always done, go with the flow. It’s never been the masses that have brought about great benefit for mankind. It’s always been small groups with sound principle. Those working the opposite way have always been small groups as well, it’s just that they were better at manipulating the masses.

Anyone who honestly believes the Republican and Democratic Parties actually stand for what they stand for is naive and misinformed.

Both parties should be reformed:
Democrats—>Progressives
Republicans—>Constitutionalist

There is no ambiguous (R) or (D), blue or red.

Either you want to grow the government or you want to adhere to the Constitution.

Don’t forget medicare drug plans(Bush), $1T of “wars” against guys in ratty t shirts planting bombs, TARP, agriculture subsidies, etc, etc. Both parties have done a poor job. One candidate is willing to say that.

Um, I said what vote. He’s for national defense. He voted for the AUMF for Afghanistan. He submitted a declaration of war for the Iraq conflict. He just doesn’t think our Military should be used for corporate and personal gain, or for nation-building, empire building, etc. We should follow a policy of Armed Neutrality, until and unless we are ACTUALLY attacked. (not just because you fear boogie men around every corner) THEN he will ask Congress for a Declaration of War like he’s supposed to UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, and then he’ll fight the war to a speedy conclusion.

Perhaps you should read the actual Constitution some time instead of your idea or someone else’s idea of it. Read the actual words for a change.

Uh-huh…. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

its not. but it is our law. without it, we are slaves. guess what?! were slaves. thanks.

McCain would have been Obama-Lite and the debt time bomb would have simply been strung along until his term(s) was/were over. McCain was about as much of a Democrat as a Republican could get.

I served, and the only thing that ever insulted me was sending me around the world to fight for the goons in DC. Risking my life and spending years away from home for absolutely nothing is rather insulting.

You didn’t swear an oath to defend the Country. You swore an oath to defend the Constitution. Defending the country is not in your job description, defending Liberty is. If you don’t understand the difference, those 27 years were wasted.

Odd how the troops overwhelmingly support Dr. Paul. The failed US foreign policy is an insult to anyone who has ever served.

Yes, they do. Check the person to your right and the person to your left … those people are Paul supporters Layla.

Hey McFly, the troops support RON PAUL, by more than a 2-1 margin of all other candidates COMBINED and they support him more than Obama. Obviously, you are clueless.

No, they just know they aren’t the personal water boys for this or that elite who wants to play proxy war for his corporate buddies.

Our military is for DEFENSE of LIBERTY – not you or anyone else’s personal dragon slayer. If you have boogie men to take out – do it yourself, stop using our military to create more of them and steal my money to pay for it.

Layla, Paul is a lightning rod — he’s collecting the awakening electorate, just as Palin has done. Paul’s brand of politics may not be the run-of-the-mill GOP brand, but it’s a throwback to an approach that is sorely needed right now. What you’re seeing in the Paul advocacy is a heartfelt desire by many to return the GOP to it’s real underpinnings.

The Won’s election, though painful and damaging in the short run, will have long-lasting effects on the conservative brand of governing. Paul may be coming along at the right time, or maybe he’s even early, since many ‘conservatives’ just don’t get the dire straights the GOP brand has helped to guide us toward. Drastic correction needs to take place as soon as possible, yet none of the GOP-endorsed crop of candidates has it in them to fight for those necessary changes.

I don’t doubt that he will try. The point is, you won’t, if he doesn’t win the nomination. without you, we are not united. don’t you understand that?

No one except Ron Paul is even addressing those concerns. Repugs are just as responsible. Remember, it was Bush who gave us the abomination called the USA PATRIOT Act and the Military Commissions Act. Obama is just continuing his policies. Newt Romtorum would simply continue them as well. Ron Paul is the only one who opposes these policies with every fiber of his being.

No because I put my Country ahead of party every time. Partisans are the problem. George Washington was right.

p.s. – and then Newt proved he was just another politician by governing as a liberal with no principals and no ethics.

Considering that I have but one vote, I can’t exactly do that, but I do appreciate the sentiment and hope that actual conservatives run against Dems and RINOs for Congress.

So why is it that he never got more than 2 bills that he has sponsered to pass in the 30 years that he was in Congress? Because they are all crooks I guess?

So you expect Ron Paul to serve in the White House and get more legislation passed while sitting in the Oval Office than he would have while actually BEING in Congress? “Well he’s the President” Ever heard of “separation powers” .. Constitutionalist my foot.

In 1993 as Clinton was inaugurated, Walter Mondale said, “if the Congress treats Bill CLinton like they did Jimmy Carter, then the Democrats would not elect another President for 40 years. ”

So Ron Paul, who is throwing a tantrum because he is ignored by Congress for 30 years, and is calling them all crooks, is going to get more cooperation from Congress than did Carter?
The above poster is right, He will be less effective than Carter, and teh GOP will suffer for a generation because of him.

I would rather be a nation without parties, but we were also supposed to be a nation that sent electors to Washington to decide themselves who would be the President rather than have the people vote directly for the President.

Unfortunately with the sytsem the way it has developed, either you vote for someone with an “R” beside their name or you have 4 more years of Obama.
Hey I grew up in the Yellow Dog south, I would love to vote for a Democrat, but the Democrats keep nominating the most unacceptable candidates imaginable.

Those newsletters? It came up quite a while ago – and in 08 – and has been addressed multiple times. I admit it’s not the most satisfying answer but nothing else in his voting record or public life indicates that those few statements are representative of his beliefs, so I’m willing to accept that answer. Likely similar to how you’ve treated some of the extremists in Obama’s past.

They are a few lines within thousands and thousands – so by no means “surrounded with racists”. My understanding is that Lew Rockwell didn’t write them, but someone close to him, who is deceased did. See – not totally satisfying. But as I’ve said, based on the available dataset, I’m willing to believe Dr. Paul’s position on this. Letting this somewhat minor issue result in you supporting another statist who will continue us on our road to no privacy, war and killing, and debt is a tragedy in my mind.

Regarding your second point, he’s noted a few times that he sees no reason to return money to people like that as he would rather use their money for his purposes than return it to them and allow them to use it for their evil purposes. Seems reasonable to me. ALso, very difficult to know who every single person who donates to you is and to police their views.

Like the fact he delivered black babies? Sorry, that’s not proof. He would’ve lost his license if he didn’t