And Raddatz, that wrinkled up old hag was openly rude and condescending to Ryan. I don't know how he kept his composure. He's a class act and will make an awesome VP!
Ryan did his job. He didn't make any mistakes that would put us on the defensive for a while. I wanted to pop an old, condescending fart in the mouth, that's for sure.
First of all "1/3 republican, 31% Democrat and 34% Independent" doesn't sound like it's terribly more republican, and secondly, we already know CNN and the rest of the media over samples democrats, so saying "That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is more Republican than an AVERAGE OF RECENT CNN POLLS of all Americans,” adds Holland." doesn't really say much, if you ask me.
I wouldr say it was a draw and that it won't change the race. Ryan came off as poised, calm and in command of the facts. Joe was an ass.....he was all over the map sometimes sneering, laughing, interrupting, and then at the end acting solemn. My wife felt he was intentionally trying to muck up the debate to throw Ryan off....it didn't work. I don't think it helped the Biden narrative because he looked the part of the clown he has been considered as during this election and and Ryan looked like a serious, thoughtful candidate. In the end it won't be remembered, I just hope Romney keeps owning Obama thru the next two debates.....all in all Ryan was too respectful but I don't think anyone will hold that against him.
The official count on interruptions so far is Biden 82 times and Raddatz 31 times. That's 113 times in the 40 minutes Ryan was allowed to speak. To give you perspective, that is an interruptions for every 20 seconds of speaking....yet Ryan still brought more substance to the conversation and actually articulated a plan vs. bloviating and defending with guffaws, lies, and dodges. Ryan wins hands down.
When the Left is losing, they resort to this ... look at how they shout down anyone who does not agree with them on college campuses, etc.
This should be no surprise to conservatives, maybe the to political consultants, however.
Yep. Typical Elementary schoolyard rules. If you are going to lie, say it really loud and with passion. If you don't like what the other guy is saying, then don't let him say it. Perhaps Romney should use his "5 boys" comment again.
Another number came out that showed Martha R. went after Ryan with follow ups 9 times vs. 1 to Biden. So, the ratios continue to dwindle as Raddatz cuts Ryan off and scrutinizes his answers.
and here is how his boss lied to a mother of a murdered son:
If I had been sitting across from Joe I would have broken his nose. The citizens of Delaware who continued to elect this carnival barker should be ashamed of themselves.
It is Biden who won the debate in policy and arguments in favor of people of America. Ryan switched to math figures when he lost grip on economy as most people of America do not have access to fake data in his possession. This happens when a debater finds being cornered in arguments; he drives the opponent in math figures as he alone has with him. It is always defeatist attitude. In fact he did the same in congress for last 2 years. Before data is discussed, a copy should be provided in advance to the other party for evaluation of the truth before debate. It is just like taking out a hidden weapon illegally to surprise the opponent. It is against the ethics and principles of transparency in a democracy to present to people of America.
Did anyone else notice that Raddatz DID NOT say that the questions had not been provided to the Democrats in advance? Starking difference to Leherer who started with that announcement. I think we all know that Biden got the questions in advance, was too prepared. Plus the Dems wanted a social issue inserted and Raddatz obliged with the most controversial, abortion.
IT IS NOT FUNNY _ lying, interrupting, lying, interrupting and lying again!!!
Too bad Ryan wasn't watching his grimaces - he might have said: I IT NOT FUNNY when you ruin our country and cover it with lies"...
What an oaf Biden is.
As the moderator didn't stop the multiple interruptions during the debate, FOX News should put a video together where you can only listen to Martha's questions and Ryan's answers (deleting Biden's comments) so that the public can finally listen to the GOP's message. We have to pay them back and silence Biden's laughter and interruptions.
I guess this was the MSNBC debate Mathews was talking about. Biden was acting like Schults and Mathews for their base that loves this kind of insanity. Ryan should have been channeling the ANGER of his constituents. He should have called Biden on his laughing at least once.
He did call him on his interrupting but only once. I would have said: Joe, with all respect, the murders in Libya that this administration blamed on a video are no laughing matter. The unemployment rate oveer 8% for O'Bambi's entire term is no laughing matter. Running this country off the fiscal cliff on 1/1/13 is no laughing matter.
The RR strategy is going to give me a heart attack. We want to see these chumps obliterated. That was guaranteed, so RR has been coasting. It is so frustrating.
The proper strategy for Ryan would have been to say "YOU" more often. Biden was there to defend his boss. But he is GUILTY of all of the same sins. This would have helped the viewer remember what the debate was about. That all of Obama's people are corrupt.
This is good, but you just know the mainstream media will probably spin this as a victory for Biden. I guess if anybody showed up with a pulse for Obama/Biden it would be seen as a victory for the Democrats, but the bottom line is that Ryan defended himself quite well and all Biden had was bluster and rudeness, which is all any liberal has on their side. So on balance Ryan had a great night.
I didn't watch it but listened to post commentary w Gov. Palin and Cavuto and Hannity. It sounds like Biden was just being arrogant and rude with all of his interruptions. I'm sure that was the attack meme given to him.
I don't know a lot about Ryan but I have heard other conservatives say he has voted for some big gov't spending. He is still a better choice than Biden.
My teacher used to throw out of the class students that were laughing and interrupting her all the time during class. Biden is a sick bully and I cannot understand why Martha didn't stop him. The whole debate was sabotaged by Biden's arrogant behavior. I would have asked him what is so funny: if the assassinations in Benghazi or the debt ceiling.
Biden himself is a National Security threat as this guy seems to be drunken all the time.
I am just speechless, Biden didn't work for four years and still wants to keep his job. Who said that he is a great debater? He was calling for Martha's help all the time!!!!
Never Mind on the CNBC poll....it is online and you can vote multiple times...LOL!! Obama's minions are out to where Biden is up 8 percent.....you can vote multiple times...LOL!! it is meaningless....
And always calling Ryan "My friend". I would have turned to him and said, Joe, let's remember, we were colleagues in Congress, you were not and are still not my friend given your views and pathway to destroy America.
The momentum is still on the R&R side. This did nothing to swing the pendulum. If anything, it may have left a slightly nasty taste in the mouths of undecideds.
Referring to that article, surprisingly CNN changed the headline... but that was before I shared the article on g+. It was "CNN Poll on debate winner: Ryan, Ryan 48% Biden 44%" and minutes later to: "CNN Poll: Debate watchers split on who won VP debate."
Typical liberal media bias.
I didnt watch the debate because I had family over, but just by the comments, Biden was disrespectful and condescending. Its crazy Joe, VP debates dont matter, what will matter is Romney owning Obama again at the next debate. Right now Obama is testing out that shoelace teleprompter.
Coming from CNN this is a shock poll.
I would like to see a poll asking did the M0bamarator question the validity of Ryan's answers or interrupt him more, than 0biden, or did she do this to 0biden more?
I apologize I had thought CNN gave Ryan 20 point win...IT WAS CNBC....Please excuse me...I pasted the two other polls that show Ryan won below from Breitbart:
According to a tweet from CNBC's verified Twitter account, an after-debate poll shows Ryan crushing Biden 56 - 36%
According to Twitter the Associated Press also has Ryan winning tonight by a spread of 51-43.
CNN...48/44 Ryan but with registered voters but 10 points more likeable for Ryan and 9 point better expressing himself....and 7 percent more likely to vote for Romney...
Ryan did VERY VERY WELL for being his FIRST TIME and against a Seasoned Debater and sitting Vice-President!
Oh how discouraging for Obama.....losing on CNBC, AP and CNN....Dems pinned hoped on Biden...now was that wise???
Hmmm...50-41 percent Ryan expressed himself better....53-43 Ryan more likeable and 28 percent more likely to Vote for Romney vs 21 percent more for Obama....and this with Registered Voters? Which already skews Dems....Big Victory for Ryan......
Please notice this part:
'One-third of the respondents who participated in tonight’s survey identified themselves as Republicans, with 31% identifying themselves as Democrats, and 34% identifying themselves as independents.
“That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is more Republican than an average of recent CNN polls of all Americans,” adds Holland.'
Still, Ryan won in the poll.
Not sure that I would agree with CNN. As we've seen with people like Artur Davies, the Democrats are changing party not just their vote. I wonder just how much of this is going on....
Good question for them to have asked would have been 2008 Obama voters and which way they saw the VP debate. Hopefully someone is doing that.
And this is CNN, very biased towards O'Bambi already.
Yes...but the truth is Galatian...if you know Ras in his Registration Polls....Republicans are actually 4 up over the Dems....so this is not surprising!