Certainly adds some perspective to the discussion. I still believe people, politicians especially, should choose their words carefully. It is easy to sound insensitive and uncaring. Still, I have to agree with those on the video.
My grandmother was a product of rape....her mother (my great grandmother)) had been raped as a young girl
My first memory as a baby was of my great grandmother, her smiling face , horn rimmed glasses and soothing voice.
She has a long life filled with family and love and no regrets
All of you please listen and forget the rhetoric.
Joe Donnelly is of of the party for women yet women suffer worse from unemployment
and joe only can concern himself with abortion.
Joes party claims to be on the side of women yet is backed by the likes of Larry Flint who makes his fortunes from treating women like animals.
NOW PLEASE look up what those children who were born from rape are saying. They are the ones the democrats wish to marginalize and treat a throw aways, is this the party that really cares about the down trodden I dont believe so.
Again, people trying to impose their wills on others.
"Save the rape babies...to Hell with the mothers." "I DON'T care what your religion allows...it's MY way or I'll kill you." "Save the unborn...but screw the 1 in 5 children in the US that go to bed hungry each night."
US christian = hypocrite = Repuglican
The freedom to do something is not the same as being forced to do something. Next time you are exercising your freedom to own a gun do the world a favor and exercise your freedom to shoot yourself. Pray to your god before you do it and ask him to protect you.
richard mourdock yea fxxxing pig and i bet he can't hardly keep his zipper up in anticipation of getting his hands on poor women's chlldren. use to they hung around park rest rooms and schools now they get in congress. come on that's what this is really all about cause once they are here they can starve except these children become part of the sex trade. you know they have said they are taking children from the poor if they have no jobs or way to feed the children.
can't take the truth huh ? tell me do you ever tell the truth about the Bible and Moses ? old testament numbers chapter 31 . Moses had his troops kill thousands of women half probably pregnant and every male child killed and based on number of little girls must have been at least 25,000 up boys baby's and teens and in between ages and they used swords and then he gave the little girls the virgins' to the men over 32,000 and some were babies but back then if over three years old it was okay. Moses claimed God ordered this but he was always big on God talking to him. and the little girls were for rape. do not try to justify it that they just wanted them as servants you know better and king Herod ? he probably had twenty boys killed. so who is sick ? hate i just speak the truth. oh and Moses divided them into two groups of over 16,000 each so they'd all get virgins. so read it and ask what happens if the young people find out they ave been lied to with this phony religious crap all this time and by the way i did go to church and church school. i been around a long time kiddo .
Wow, you're an idiot.
Let's talk about the atrocities committed by atheistic regimes like the communist Soviet Union, or communist China. Christianity does not have a monopoly on atrocities.
You've been around a long time, but have apparently learned nothing. Hell, you can't even spell or write properly.
Frankly, based on your spelling, grammar and a clear lack of understanding of how wars were fought in ancient times, speak volumes about your own willful ignorance. Based on this assessment, I'm going to give you some extra free time to work on that pathetic excuse of an education you've had, bye troll.
well your a idiot. and anyone would take a kid from me it would be the last thing they did on this earth and other women agree with me.
I'm sure they are glad to be alive. I wonder how they feel that they were born from a violent act or that their mother was impregnated by a evil person. If God wants a soul to get here, they will get here.
Why is it ok to abort if a mother's life is in danger but not if a woman is violently raped? Can't have it both ways.
They don't have it both ways wodiej. They have it all ways. Abortion is legal regardless of the reason or the absence of reason. To the left, abortion is always right. Your last two lines are weird. Maybe it came out wrong.
You are mixing up the ideas of 'okay' and 'necessary'. Even though our society tries to tell us abortion is 'okay', it's not. Unfortunately, sometimes it's necessary, when there is no other way. Abortion from a rape is not even close to being in the realm of 'no other way'.
WOW! My daughter would not be here if her biological grandmother had been aborted b/c she was conceived as a result of rape. A child is never responsible for the sins of the parent.
They brought it out because of his supposed "gaffe" and the use of Mr. Mourdock's faith by his opponent to paint him as an extremist. I am from Southern Indiana and have had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Mourdock a handful of times. I believe God is making him a voice for the Pro-life movement and there is no one better to put in the middle of this political firestorm. He is a strong, moral, man of God who doesn't back down. I will be one blessed Hossier when he is my Senator.
This is powerful: "A child should not be executed for the sin of his father". This is indeed very powerful!
I saw a video of something similar to this about a woman who, as a fetus, survived a failed abortion and grew up to be a fine woman and a motivational speaker. It was very powerful. Just shows you that all life is precious and has a vast amount of potential.
The other day, quite by chance I caught the movie "Rob Roy" on tv. Great movie. Liam Neeson. Jessica Lange, playing his wife, is raped by the bad guy. She later finds she is pregnant but tells her husband she's not sure who the father is. She tells her husband she could not end the pregnancy because she couldn't bear to kill the child, to which he answers, "It's not the child that needs killing."
"A child should not be executed because of the crimes of her father". Very powerful statement. And no child should be executed due to the carelessness of his or her parents either.
Very moving in a very powerful way.
These women are as brave as their mothers.
It's very obvious they enjoy the Grace of God in their lives, a blessing indeed.
Abortion should never be an option of convenience. Situations happen in life where a person's life is forfeited for whatever medical reason, but that doesn't make it good. One crime (rape) doesn't in itself condone a second crime (abortion).
If pro-choice advocates knew more abortion survivors, perhaps they would realize that it's a life we're talking about here. If a woman gets pregnant to have a child, but then finds out that it's twins, does she then have the right to kill one of them if she prefers only one?
I don't know anybody who would agree with that. And if they did, there is something terribly, terribly wrong with them.
This is simplifying the argument. I trust women and if they decide to do what these brave women interviewed above did, great. If they chose to give the child up for adoption, great. If they chose to abort the pregnancy, fine. No one is saying that they have to abort because they were raped, rather the argument is that the option should be there in that horrific event.
I think you are simplifying the argument, by taking the murder out of the equation. Why must it be an option to kill, when there are other options available should the woman choose not to want the child? Why must the child always be convicted and executed in this case, when they are guilty of nothing more than being?
Right. Here's something that really nauseates me about lefties. Almost without variance, they will be simultaneously pro-abortion yet anti-death penalty. In other words, they would allow the incomparably guilty to live in every case, but be cool with killing incomparable innocence in every case.
I didn't even read your comment. I was responding to Nuke. However, if you found a shoe or two in my post that fit, please wear them, with my compliments.
I don't know why you keep saying to people that disagree with you that you are having an adult conversation and they are not. Well, actually, I do, as I have studied both Rules for Radicals by Alinsky and The Little Blue Book by Lakoff and those techniques don't work.
Try responding to the points people make to you and maybe we can continue the adult conversation. Understand that if you profess 'lefty' points of contention, then it's natural that people would assume you are in agreement with them.
Rshill7, I do not know if you are calling me a "lefty," but I am neither "pro - abortion" nor "anti - death penalty." I am trying to have an adult conversation here, so it would be nice if you could join me.
Well Nukeman60, I will assume you are a man and will never know what it is like to be raped and be forced to carry your attacker's child. You and I will never face that. What these women in the video did is nothing short of brave, but why should a woman be forced to do that? The option should be there and if the woman who makes the decision to abort the pregnancy because of rape they should not be called hideous words like "murderer," because I am sure that woman has endured enough.
I appreciate that Drew. I come from Canada where abortion is free and plentiful. I knew girls in my High School who used the system 3 or 4 times as a form of birth control. My own sister had one. Did it make me sad and angry? Yes, but I never treated them badly. I have never met a lady who had one because of rape, nor can I truly know the absolute pain and torture she would have gone through. I care for both that woman and that child..that is all I am saying.
Nibblesyble, I certainly did not intend to come off as condescending or arrogant or anything like that. The biggest problem with this is the failed interpretation of tone and I do not have that kind of tone with this issue. It is too difficult and deserves a real conversation and I indeed apologize if I came off that way to you.
There is no question the mothers of these women were brave and deserve the kudos. I agree with you in there are better options than an abortion, but we differ in the idea that women should be forced to carry their attacker's child. As I stated before, I do not know if I could endorse my daughter or wife getting an abortion but I am just OK with the option.
As for the suicide idea, women who were raped need as much counseling as they can get. I hope they feel like they can talk to someone and come out of the other end of it and avoid suicide as much as they can.
I hope they neither choose suicide nor abortion.
'I trust women in this situation and if they feel like this is the best decision, then let them carry it out.' - d l
Some women also believe that suicide is the answer to having been raped. As with killing the child, are you then also okay with the solution of killing themselves? I differ in that, because I feel there are other, better options than killing, one way or the other. The situation for the woman is indeed intense and horrific, but to just say, "hey, that's what they want to do, it's fine" is rather obtuse. Many women have seen the positive results of not carrying through with those ultimate and finite decisions and these women in the video are a testament to that.
Actually Drew, I am not suggesting any such thing, nor am I suggesting that women who do abort their babies be treated like Charles Manson. I am afraid I cannot have a debate with you on the matter if you attribute such things to my person, indeed I obviously come across to you as an uncaring monster to your caring, tolerant, new age guy.
I do not know from where you got that because I said nothing of that in my recent post.
I said I am fine with the option being there; I never said the woman must have an abortion. Having stated that, if abortions were limited to the cases of rape, incest, and to save the life of the mother, then they would be rare.
I agree with you that an abortion is not the smoking gun solution to rape; I do not know if one exists. If the raped woman decides that she cannot continue the pregnancy, then the option for her to do that is something I am fine with.
I think it is great that you believe you are speaking for unborn babies. I trust women in this situation and if they feel like this is the best decision, then let them carry it out.
So you are then saying that destroying a child is caring about it? I'm having an adult conversation about abortion being wrong, while you are attempting to say it's a viable solution to the result of rape.
Abortion is a serious condition in this country. Roughly 16,000 abortions of the 1.5 million performed yearly come from the result of rape. Liberals like to center the abortion issue on the cases of rape, when it amounts to 1% of all our abortions yearly. Killing the child does not alleviate the horror of the rape, as many of these rape victims will tell you, if you should ask them. The woman has been violated and she will need much counseling, family care, and help all around.
Even then, her life is ruined due to this terrible crime. In many of the cases, the ruination of her life is compounded by the destruction of the child and the agony she has to bear about that on top of her agony of the rape itself.
Is that serious enough for you? So, yeah, I call it spin when someone wants to say making the choice of killing an innocent child is, as you put it, "fine".
I speak for the unborn babies because they cannot speak for themselves.
Nukeman60, first of all, look at her comment and think about it. Second of all, I am trying to have an adult conversation about this tough issue so if you desire to label what I am saying as "spin," you need to rethink your words.
I do not know how any woman could possibly feel after being raped and then learning she is pregnant with her attacker's child. At the same time, I do not know if I could allow my wife or daughter to get one. This is such a difficult issue that it requires some deep thinking.
'Nibblesyble, you are suggesting that women do not consider any of those aspects' - d l
No, she's not. She's suggesting that we care about the woman and the child. Destroying the child is in no way caring about it, no matter how much you spin it.
God also does not give us the right to destroy defenseless, unborn babies at our leisure, but we do it anyway. There will be dues to pay in the end.
The whole problem is that our society as a whole has deemed abortion legal and acceptable. That doesn't take away from the fact that it is still killing an innocent, defenseless child. The rape is one horrendous incident. The abortion is a totally different, yet equally horrendous, incident. We shouldn't group the two together.
If abortion as a convenience wasn't so acceptable, people may just start looking at viable alternatives to the problem of an unwanted child.
While you, as a man, will never know what it is to have to carry a rapist's child, you will also not be able to understand what it's like to destroy your child, a living human being. Compounding the crime doesn't necessarily alleviate the horror.
And being a man or a woman doesn't detract one way or the other from having a caring, intelligent point of view. This liberal viewpoint of only woman can talk about 'lady matters' is BS. We are all intelligent human beings. We should act better than savages.
God does not give us the right to condemn other people whether we agree w them or not. How is it caring for the woman that got violently raped? It isn't.
Nibblesyble, you are suggesting that women do not consider any of those aspects. I will suggest that they do because I will never doubt the mind of a woman. It is great that women want to carry their attacker's child to full term but those who do not should not be vilified like they are Charles Manson.
Well Drew I am a woman and I agree with Nuke, we must care about both the woman and the child. Notice how some of those women in the Ad are only here because of the law that protected them.