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The thing many are missing here is that you have to believe the likes of Big Sis when they say this vast amount of ammo is for training.
How in the hec do we know they are actually training at the implausible rate they would need to with the mountain of ammo they have contracted for?
We don't and it's highly doubtful they are.
The United States has become an armed paramilitary camp since 9/11.
DHS has funded the militarization of every police dept in the country.
Sheriff Andy and Barney don't exist anymore.
NOT INTERESTED IN THE LEAST GOOD BYE! IiN THE "OLD DAYS" ----ONCE AN ELECTION WAS CONCLUDED, PEOPLE WHO LOVED THIS COUNTRY CAME TOGETHER, AND SUPPORTED THE PERSON WHO WAS ELECTED AS PRESIDENT, AND GAVE THE PERSON THE RESPECT AND HONER HE WAS ENTITLED, AS A PERSON FULFILLING THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OFFICE----IT DIDN'T MATTER WHETHER THE PRESIDENT WAS RIGHT OR LEFT WING---RESPECT MATTERED. MEANWHILE---WHY CAN'T THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY COME TOGETHER----AND SIMPLY HELP---JUST H-E-L-P ---AND QUIT PULLING US APART.
For what it’s worth, I believe Mark Levin does not go far enough in his assessment of Obama’s plans for all the ammunition he is buying. Make no mistake about this issue. The government is not buying all of this ammunition; Barack Hussein Obama is buying it for his civilian army with our tax money. I believe it’s not a matter of violence possibly breaking out. I believe Barack Hussein Obama is planning to foment an insurrection using his *agents provocateurs {SEE BELOW} so that he will have an excuse to murder Christians, Jews, and conservatives who oppose his Socialist/Marxist agenda for America. Through media propaganda he will probably make it appear that these civilians (Christians, Jews, and conservatives) are terrorists and that they must me abolished with any necessary force to protect America from them.
*agents provocateurs - Persons employed to associate with suspected individuals or groups with the purpose of inciting them to commit acts that will make them liable to punishment.
Agent provocateur
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_provocateur
"Traditionally, an agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French for "inciting agent(s)") is an agent employed by the police or other entity to act undercover to entice or provoke another person to commit an illegal act. More generally, the term may refer to a person or group that seeks to discredit or harm another by provoking them to commit a wrong or rash action.
An agent provocateur may be a police officer or a secret agent of police who encourages suspects to carry out a crime under conditions where evidence can be obtained; or who suggests the commission of a crime to another, in hopes they will go along with the suggestion and be convicted of the crime.
A political organization or government may use “agents provocateurs” against political opponents. The provocateurs try to incite the opponent to do counter-productive or ineffective acts to foster public disdain—or provide a pretext for aggression against the opponent."
My personal observation: "Agents provocateurs" sometimes commit a crime acting as a member of a group in order to place guilt by association; i.e. they might murder someone of high standing and allow themselves to be caught so that they may plea bargain and place blame on the group or the leader of the group.
Fear. That is the basis of republican thinking. Look at the Bush years, no problems solved, no issues addressed. Just waste, fraud, death and destruction, based on his voting base being a bunch of shivering cowards, clutching their guns, worried about Saddam attacking them, demonizing anyone who disagrees with their lunacy.
PRAVDA & GUN RIGHTS
The English version of Pravda (yeah it’s still around) thought it necessary to remind us of the historical fact that in 1917 the first move the Red Army made was to take away all privately held guns. This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently. . Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position. In all cases where guns are banned, gun crime continues and often increases. As for maniacs, be it nuts with cars (NYC, Chapel Hill NC), swords (Japan), knives (China) or home made bombs (everywhere), insane people strike. They throw acid (Pakistan, UK), they throw fire bombs (France), they attack. What is worse, is, that the best way to stop a maniac is not psychology or jail or "talking to them", it is a bullet in the head, that is why they are a maniac, because they are incapable of living in reality or stopping themselves.
They are buying ammunition for the same reason that the Fed buys treasuries. To drive up the price.
I just got this from my Federal Credit Union: Look at it folks, this is what Mark Levin is talking about:
Re: Transactions Limitations Policy
A federal law, known as Regulation D, requires that all financial institutions, including your credit union, limit withdrawals from share/savings accounts. This law allows members to conduct up to six withdrawals from a share/savings account per month. Any withdrawals in excess of the six per month allowed, forces the credit union to take action on your account.
"What types of accounts are limited by this law?"
Regular share or savings accounts are subject to this law, as are money market accounts. Your checking account is not limited by this law, and you can make unlimited withdrawals from your checking account.
"Which transactions count toward the six allowed?"
The following combined transactions cannot exceed six per month:
•Checks or drafts made payable to third parties;
•Debit card purchases;
•Preauthorized or automatic transfers to a third party (including ACH transfers);
•Transfers initiated through online banking;
•Telephonic transfers (including calls to member service representatives or automated audio response programs);
•Transfers to other accounts at the credit union;
•Transfers to accounts at other financial institutions;
•Faxed requests for transfers;
•Text message requests for transfers
This law does not limit the number of deposits into a share or savings account. Rather, it limits the number of withdrawals from share, savings or money market accounts.
"What about loan payments that come out of my share/savings account?"
If the loan is at the same financial institution as the savings account, payments on the loan will not count toward the six-transaction limit. For example, if your mortgage payment is automatically deducted from your savings account each month, it will not count toward the six-transaction limit if both the mortgage and the savings account are at the same financial institution.
"What happens if I exceed the six-transaction limit?"
Effective March 19, 2013, Air Force Federal Credit Union will reject transactions in excess of the six allowed. If an item in excess of six is paid by the Credit Union, a $5.00 fee may be charged to your account.
"How can I conduct my transactions so as to avoid exceeding the limit?"
•Plan your budget and transactions in order to make one or two large withdrawals or transfers to cover your bills per month;
•Consider using your checking account to pay regular bills.
Sincerely,
Cathy Miller
Senior Vice President Member Services
The deepest tragedy would be to witness the freest society founded by the noblest of men and women disintegrating into a reign of terror conducted by a totalitarian regime, and knowing that it was completely avoidable.
Do any Right Scoopers have any data on the percentage of LARGE city police chiefs that are members of the Progressive Police Chiefs of America? Just wondering.
Looks like Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck may be. He is loved by the progressives, and cost LA taxpayers millions by refusing to enforce the law against the occupiers. In fact, when they were occupying private property of a bank, instead of enforcing the law and the bank's rights, he went out and chatted amiably with the lawbreakers.
Yes, you've identified one for sure. Has LA media reported anything honestly? Your friends need to know what you know, but keep your tone as bland as you can. When Eric Holder met with several Progressive Police Chiefs, I was able to get several names. The exercise wasn't encouraging, but we do know to listen for cues in liberal code.
They are buying ammo for obama's private Army being trained now, and to protect this Government of tyranny from "We the People" that own it.
I heard this and it scares me because it's a plausible explanation. If you know history, if you've seen what's happened in others countries when the financial system collapses, you know to be worried.
Again,the mind reels. How did we reach this point and how do we restore sanity to our country?
Congress has created such a large bureaucracy that no one knows what's going on. Even congressman have to read the papers to know what is going on down the hall from them.
Often, when asked a question, they say I only know from what I read in the paper.
I think they're cornering the market on current supplies to prevent our citizenry from stockpiling it any more. The manufacturers won't be able to produce fast enough to restock the shelves for a year, sooooooo 2013 is going to be a very vulnerable year. I read that the type of bullets the Feds are buying up are the type you and I would buy, NOT what the military buys. So, the kind of bullets that are used for target practice are the ones in short supply.
PRAVDA & GUN RIGHTS
The English version of Pravda (yeah it’s still around) thought it necessary to remind us of the historical fact that in 1917 the first move the Red Army made was to take away all privately held guns. This well armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently. . Governments will use the excuse of trying to protect the people from maniacs and crime, but are in reality, it is the bureaucrats protecting their power and position. In all cases where guns are banned, gun crime continues and often increases. As for maniacs, be it nuts with cars (NYC, Chapel Hill NC), swords (Japan), knives (China) or home made bombs (everywhere), insane people strike. They throw acid (Pakistan, UK), they throw fire bombs (France), they attack. What is worse, is, that the best way to stop a maniac is not psychology or jail or "talking to them", it is a bullet in the head, that is why they are a maniac, because they are incapable of living in reality or stopping themselves.
I'm a big fan of both Levin and Malcolm (Andrew is a friend, in fact), but I had a special forces buddy of mine read through the IBD piece last week and run the numbers, which I sent on to Andrew, who is using his sources in the military community to look into them. Here's what my friend noted:
"[...] If you click through the two articles, to get at where his '5.5 million rounds per month' number comes from, you'll see why. Soldiers in a combat zone don't shoot much - not only do the combat zone soldiers make up a small portion our our nation's military, but they are too busy running missions/operations to sit around training. The numbers would be similar if you were measuring how many pairs of running shoes they go through - choosing combat zone soldiers to cherry pick those facts is stupid - soldiers in combat zones don't spend much time running on the track either.
"From that same article, you'll see that the DoD ammunition allotment for training is: 'Subsequent to 9/11, ... the total DOD training requirement increased to 1.1 billion rounds per year.' There are only a couple million people in the military. These numbers that people are freaking out about, 'Oh my god, they bought 150,000 rounds of 'sniper' ammo' or 'The police state bought 26 million rounds combined, of mixed ammo types' are a trivial drop in the bucket. They are several orders of magnitude away from being even minorly significant, but these authors want us to believe that they are non-trivial NOW.
"To put it in perspective, I was once on a 10,000/month training regimen. Sure, that is absolutely not typical. But I was personally going through 120,000/year, and my unit was in the combined tens-of-millions. There are thousands of SWAT teams around the country, and I'd guess they probably average 500-1000/mo minimum per officer.
"Until these numbers were in billions per year, I wouldn't even blink. In a different perspective, if you take this number of bullets (21 million) Homeland Security is buying, civilians are buying 1/10 this many GUNS PER MONTH (2.4 million)!
"These numbers seem amazing when they put them in these articles. '21 million! That's a lot!' You start putting them in perspective, and they are laughably small potatoes. I'd like to see the amount of ammo estimated that civilians buy. I bet it's several billion per month."
He then followed up:
"The numbers are only billions across several years (duration of contracts, and all the purchases that those who believe in the "stockpiling" theory are adding together). In any given year, it's only hundreds-of-millions.
"I poked around, and found articles that said NYC trains several thousand police officers through the police academy each year. That's one of our largest cities, but lets very conservatively say that each state matches about what NYC does. You've instantly got hundreds of thousands of trainees (e.g. 3000 recruits per year * 50 states = 150,000). Now, how much ammo do you shoot in a trip to the range, 100-300 rounds average? So letting all these recruits go to the range ONE TIME results in a national expenditure of 15-45 million.
"Or, flip the numbers. Here we were using 3000 recruits, 50 states, and 100-300 rounds. Instead, let's call it 100-300 TSA agents per state, 50 states, and they shoot 3000 rounds a year. Boom - 15-45 million again, just for the TSA agents. And we haven't even started to talk about all the other armed employees that fall under DHS (e.g. border patrol, customs at airports, ATF agents, nuclear reactor guards, security on government installations, etc.).
"Any way you slice the numbers, they are not very big. It only takes a few hundred to a couple thousand armed employees per state, going through a couple range sessions or training courses that cause them to expend a few thousand rounds, and the fact that we have 50 states (plus some "territories"), and you've instantly got 8-11 digit numbers. The fact that people are emotionally shocked any time they hear the word "billion" thrown around has little to do with fact that these numbers are easily explainable, or even seem low.
"Americans alone use 50 BILLION bottles of water a year, and it's not like we beer-bong 300 of them in an hour, every couple weeks. Pretty much any benign topic, when reviewed in the context of the entire country, is instantly skyrocketed into the billions. Much more ammunition is used for training to fight than actually fighting, that you are unlikely to ever notice the numbers of ammo that would be being "stockpiled". Your indication that something was going on would be a huge increase in training, and thus training ammo consumption. The "stockpiled" ammo has far too low a signal-to-noise ratio to be easily seen."
This is a topic we've discussed on several occasion at protein wisdom, and the feeling among my regular commenters is that, if we're seeing anything here, it's just that the government is profligate: one commenter noted that the various federal agencies require that their agents train with the same ammo that they carry, meaning that they are using 9mm and .40 hollow-point premium defense ammo to go plinking, where ball ammo would do just as well and is significantly cheaper. Combine the government's contracting out for large orders with the run on guns and ammo Obama's gun grabbing intimations have engendered, and I think this explains the dearth of readily available ammo for civilian stockpiling, along with the inflated prices.
Incidentally, if you're reading this, Brian, you should link my site on your sidebar. It's info-licious!
Why is the government procuring so many bullets? It an interesting and serious question that needs answers.
I believe a full-blown race war will occur in my lifetime. The tension between, blacks and Hispanics and whites & blacks is boiling under the surface all across the U.S. and Obama is only making the situation worse with his class warfare and bitter partisanship. When Latino's outnumber whites in this country the proverbial poop is going to hit the fan.
The Left don't just want societal collapse. They want what comes after it. They want anarchy in the streets, they want total and utter economic chaos, they want rioting, they want looting, they want blood spilled on the streets, they want a total and utter break down of society - Because THEN they can come riding in on a white horse, and say "We can restore order and peace, but only by implementing a Communist dictatorship where we have the power to do what must be done." Nobody, at that stage, will be left to stop them. They'll just do it. There will be martial law, curfews, executions for rioters/looters, executions of all their political opponents (from their "enemies list"), the abolition of all property rights, and basically just implement the Communist manifesto right here in the US.
If this arrogant creep thinks America is going to roll over then he IS in for a FIGHT! All the Rules For Radicals in the world ain't going to give him the power he wants!
It's not a question of IF it will happen, it's when will it happen.
One day, millions of Obama voters won't get their checks or deposits, because we'll be out of money. Then all hell will break loose.
The very people Democrats continue to enslave economically for votes, will be the catalyst.
If all of this is as Mark says, then Obama's next step will have to be to "censor" our internet or shut it down completely. Lets face it, as long as we can communicate and strategize the elites will never win. Not only do we need to stockpile, but we will need to come up with a system or plan of communication.
"If all of this is as Mark says, then Obama's next step will have to be to "censor" our internet or shut it down completely."
That's been in the works for a while now. I can't remember the number of the bill right now, it had something to do with UN supervision and Hillary Clinton had something to do with it.
Just the hunters in WI and PA last fall were the largest army in the world. Economic collapse is the only way they can install a top-down Marxist regime. They'll have a guns for food program when everyone is starving.
Mark Levin has, I think, made the right diagnosis.
Don't forget that these ammunition buys started early last summer, way before the elections, way before Sandy Hook, and way before all this hysteria about gun control.
I think the House should immediately stop all payments for ammunition by these entities, and should ask them to show their need. Publicly.
They should also demand these entities show their plans as to why so much ammo is needed by them, and when they cannot, as surely the cannot - demand the ammo is sold back, else their budgets will be reduced by the amount spent on bullets.
Some enterprising people might think about how to get their hands on allthat ammo. Don't think the criminals haven't thought about this, perhaps even done someraids already.
Don't forget that in the eyes of the socialists, criminals are victims, and belong to the class which they want to protect. Just recall the tweets, facebook stuff and indeed TV presenters all loving them a bit of that LA shooter.
That's not what they fear. That's what they want. The Cloward–Piven strategy. By the book.
There may come a time when writing comments on the Internet is not enough. Pray it never happens.
Re: armed revolt and civil disobedience…
According to the GAO, there are about 50,000 law enforcement personnel distributed through 45 agencies. These are full-time agents, authorized to execute searches, make arrests, and carry firearms. Add in some 7,462 Customs agents the total approaches 60,000. This doesn't include contract personnel, military CID forces or personnel from agencies with less than 25 officials in law enforcement.
All of these agencies are armed with military weaponry and SWAT teams. Couple that with the military arming of state, county and local police and then tell me we aren’t living in a police state.
Bill Clinton had a lot to do with allowing more Federal agencies to carry guns. We aren't a police state yet....but not too far away from it.
Many ppk think they are insulated from extreme hardship should our financial system shatter, they are mistaken. That million bucks you have in the bank won't buy a loaf of bread should hyperinflation hit.
I think millions of Americans would step up if obama attempted to infringe upon our constitutional rights along with sheriffs and law enforcement officials in many states and the administration shouldn't want to go there. I'm waiting for another Waco while praying that it doesn't happen.
The divisiveness obama has practiced from day one and which has been one of his favorite tools has inflamed the country and many people are becoming a little anxious. It's not unrealistic to think his chicanery just might bite him in the ass. We saw this before with Bill Clinton and Janet Reno, but Clinton had a clear head. I'm not sure obama is even remotely as intelligent as Slick Willie was.
When you see leftists rooting for a rogue cop killer you know there are people out there who aren't thinking too clearly and you would be advised to examine your options.
Stories like this stockpiling, and the amateurish back stories put out around Aurora and Sandy Hook, do one thing very well regardless of the real intent. They fuel deep distrust of government. Deep enough to trigger another Waco or worse.
Such a provoked incident could be just what the regime would need to complete the lock down, with much popular support.
Never let a crisis go to waste.
I believe they have been trying to create that very scenario since 08 when Obama took office.This way they can declare Marshall Law and take total control.
1.6 billion bullets is probably more than most of us can visualize. I understand that most of the rounds ordered represent pistol ammo. Here’s a visualization that I came up for myself just to get an idea of what 1.6 billion rounds would look like. Using a .40 S&W round as the typical, a box of 50 (like what I get at Wal-Mart) measures 6.25” T x 3.25” W x 1.5” D. So let’s say we go out on the highway, place a box of 50 onto the pavement on its short side (1.5” x 3.25”) and then keep standing up boxes of 50 next to each other until we’ve used up the 1.6 billion rounds or 32 million boxes of 50. When you’ve finished standing up your boxes, your line of boxes will be 757.58 miles long… which would almost get you from Dallas to Atlanta. WTF do they need that much ammo for?
We might be thinking defense instead of offense.
The guillotines of France were commissioned and dispatched in large number to efficiently eliminate and intimidate populous opposition to the ruling class. When the people finally revolted these machines were put to good use on the elites and their bureaucratic minions.
Our elites might might want to be thinking how loyal their minions are.
Thanks sDee..Sort of like Rubio, Bless his Heart, after a supposed "gaff ", is Now reaping the benefit of water container marketing....
That's a good point. Those 1.6 billion rounds would look good in our stockpiles, should we need to take them. :)
The DHS w/ 1.5 billion rounds of ammunition can be only one thing, They hired some really piss poor shots or they're extremely afraid of what they have done to Americans !
And are just really afraid of what the payback is going to be ! Because as we all know Pay Back is a M... F...
Something big is coming to this country. I said 2 years ago there will be blood in the streets but for other reasons. All I know is we all better be prepared.
If it ever comes to that, you will also need to be thinking about whether or not this nation will be vulnerable to invasion from another country. The most likely scenario would be an invasion through Mexico by some third party, probably China. It wouldn't be an invasion of the entire country, but certainly some of the border states like Texas, Arizona, or California. If we are that weak and incapable of fighting back because of massive civil unrest, you can be sure there will be nations on this planet just itching to assist the Mexicans in giving us some payback for what happened to them in 1848. And if they can take back Arizona or part of California, they will do it if the time is right. The US Army (what's left of it after the economic collapse) will have its hands full simply maintaining order in this country, let alone have enough resources to fight a major threat coming up from Mexico. Just something to think about.
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