Rand Paul has introduced legislation called “The Life at Conception Act” which I presume is to establish when life begins for the purpose of protecting the unborn. But of course, as he is being questioned about it by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, he’s asked if it’s supposed to overturn Roe vs. Wade and also if it would include any exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother, etc.

Paul says that he doesn’t think Roe vs. Wade is any in danger of being overturned anytime soon and that the purpose of this legislation is to get the debate going again on when life begins. He also says that the noted exceptions mentioned by Blitzer put the discussion in too small of a box, arguing that there are thousands of exceptions, some that legislation can’t even address.

Watch the interview:

Personally I am one of the strictest in my view of abortion believing that that unless there is a significant, provable threat to the life of the mother in childbirth, there the life of the child should be protected. But given that, I do realize that Rand Paul is correct in saying that there are other things that haven’t yet entered the dialogue and are worth debating. For example, what if the woman who was raped happens to be mentally disabled?

Look, I don’t have all the answers but I absolutely don’t accept that the answer is to continue legal abortion as it is now. But I do concede that there is some room for discussion when it comes to exceptions for abortion as Paul suggests. But not much.




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redford041
redford041

Who the hell cares.  Social issues are killing us....women are stupid..they believe Roe vs Wade will be overturned if a Republican EVER wins..highly doubtful..but shut the hell up on social issues

wodiej
wodiej

The fact is no one knows when life begins except God.  I'm sick of holier than thou people, usually men rant about how women should take a fetus to full term even if she was violently raped and/or a victim of incest.  I'm sure if men could get pregnant, abortion would not even be an issue.  It's nothing but arrogance.

shanfinnerty
shanfinnerty

Maybe if the people couldn't afford kids (and I think we all know who I'm talking about here) would stop having kids and being a drag on society, maybe there wouldn't be a need for abortions. Let's face it, who is it that has the most need for abortions? People who can't afford the kids in the first place. I doubt that anyone wants to adopt a child if they knew that the mom was a crack or heroin addict, right? These folks need to be sterilized if they can't prove that they're capable of raising a kid.

jrenai67
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Until the child is born its a mothers decision to make or break. Period.  Rand is overstepping his boundaries and believe me a mother has to live with her decisions for the rest of her life and sometimes even a decision to abort ends up being a life long lesson that each individual should have the right to.  Its between God and the mother to cross.  Sometimes doctors play God.  I've seen it in my practice of healthcare and its invasive to an individuals right to freedom.  I am a staunch Catholic conservative and this is my opinion.  Rand is leading with a medical license and I'm not so sure that's a good thing

LisaGraas
LisaGraas

Would you folks please stop drinking the Kool-Aid? For Pete's sake! http://www.lisagraas.com/blog/archives/5563

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sDee
sDee

I think folks around here drink alot. I have never heard Kool-Aid mentioned however. :)

K-Bob
K-Bob moderator

@sDee I think we all graduated from barrels full of Kool-Aid, enhanced  with random fifths of liquor stolen from everyone's Mom & Dad's cabinet, years ago.

I get queasy thinking about it.

LisaGraas
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@sDee How about "Take the red pill?" The sheeple behavior for Rand Paul is as bad as it was for Obama in 2008. He doesn't deserve it. He is not pro-life and never has been. He's playing everyone for power.....just like he did in 2010. He endorsed the traitor Adam Kokesh for Congress and conservatives yawned. He campaigned on shutting down Gitmo and conservatives yawned. He did fundraising in the name of Ky Right to Life when they had endorsed his opponent (in the primary) and conservatives yawned. That's not the half of it! WAKE. UP. Before it's too late. He will NEVER be president. 

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K-Bob
K-Bob moderator

@LisaGraas That's so generic a comment that no one will know what you're talking about.

LisaGraas
LisaGraas

@K-Bob @LisaGraas Nothing generic at the link. For example, no one has ever called out Rand Paul for his support for the morning after pill. Why? I'm a conservative Kentuckian, and I am tired of people drinking Rand Paul Kool-Aid claiming he is pro-life when he is not.

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jrenai67
jrenai67

@LisaGraas @K-Bob Rand does seem to take his opinions  to a level of extremeness and I'm not even sure that he can see it.  I am not in favor of doctors legislating .  its a rare that it becomes a good thing

K-Bob
K-Bob moderator

@LisaGraas @K-Bob (I only pointed it out because if I hadn't already known you were a blogger (having visited your site from links at McCain's place) I would have assumed it was spam, based on the format.)

Lisa has some links you folks should check out.  Especially the hard-core pro lifers.

glegakis
glegakis

The problem is that Republicans pay lip service in sound bites  and in their platform,  but don't really have the stomach to put forward legislation and have committee hearings with vastly improved sonograms from anything available in 1973. 

Where's the 13 hour anti abortion filibuster in the well of the Senate?   That's my question. 

LisaGraas
LisaGraas

@glegakis Rick Santorum was able to get the partial birth abortion ban passed. He doesn't pay lip service. He gets the job done. In other words, he actually believes conservative principles and fights for them. He doesn't just talk about them to win votes.

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glegakis
glegakis

@LisaGraas @glegakis I agree Lisa.  I supported him in the primaries and have been a fan of his for years.  He would have won the nomination if it hadn't been for RINO flip-flopper Romney using his money to bully his way in.

Did you know that Romney got only about 35% of the vote in the primaries that Gingrich and Santorum competed in?  He barely beat Santorum in Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan.  Heck, Rick won 11 states.

I think Romney lost the election because true Conservatives said, "screw you GOP, if you can't nominate one of us and you keep putting up Dems lite(see McCain, Dole et. al.) then we're going to stay home."

I hope Rick runs again.  I'm still feeling out the rest of the field.  It is early after all.  I like Cruz and Palin but who knows if they'll run.  And Sarah may have too much of an uphill climb to repair all the misconceptions and caricatures of her.  I hate to say it but she might be better off as a motivational speaker and cheerleader.  She was great at CPAC but I don't know if she's really got her eye on the White house.

Who do you like?


glegakis
glegakis

3500 per day,  every day, and I'm sure the vast majority are absolutely unnecessary. 

Go North Dakota!

shanfinnerty
shanfinnerty

At what point does the Federal government have to start being responsible for the lives of its citizens? Wouldn't it be cheaper and less of a burden to make it when the child is born? I mean, these prenatal programs are costing us a fortune, and I don't want my tax dollars going to support programs unless we're sure the kid is going to be viable and contribute to society. I'm all for making sure that the kids get the right start, so long as we're sure it's going to make it.

K-Bob
K-Bob moderator

@shanfinnerty The only way to insure good health of your offspring is for the government to take control of your germ plasm.

Your appointment is next week.

Take a magazine and a cigarette for after.

NanNJ
NanNJ

One has to understand. Unfortunately abortion is embedded in our culture.  I understand where he's coming from.  Like I said Unfortunately.

drphibes
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@NanNJ Then we work on changing the culture.

RocklinConservative
RocklinConservative

That's where Rick Santorum rocks!  The core of society and its culture is the family unit.

PhillyCon
PhillyCon

@RocklinConservative You are correct.  But he gets trashed for doing so.  It's sad when you go to righty blogs and see the flith and Lefty language used to attack someone who invokes the culture.  Even our side has its own PC police.  We are not allowed to talk about such things.

LisaGraas
LisaGraas

@RocklinConservative Conservatives who think they can win elections by forgetting everything except promising people more "stuff" are as bad as the Left. It's all about greed, on both sides. Without any values, the country becomes a horrible place to live in where everyone is looking out only for himself. Sad to see it happen, but it's not surprising, given the state of our entertainment industry. Face it, conservatives. Norman Lear has played you, too.

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sDee
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What all politicians are too cowardly to ask or answer, is the essential question on the Federal Government's role in abortion..."at what point, from conception to death" does the Federal Government's responsibility to defend our right to life, begin ?"

If the answer is (A) at "viability", or, "once outside the womb" then the Unborn Victims Of Violence Act must be stricken from law because it defines defines a "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".

If the answer is (B) at conception, then the Federal Government would have to act to protect the life of a child in at any stage of development.

Barack Hussein Obama believes in live birth abortion so he would of course answer (A), once outside the womb. So do you see why he does not consider the Unborn Victims Of Violence Act, a valid law? Does it make sense why he would not charge Major Hasan with that 14th murder - Private Francheska Velez's unborn child?

This is the question we must force our politicians to ask and answer.

PVG
PVG

I'm not sure what point, if any, is being made here.

CaseyGeorge
CaseyGeorge

@PVG I think, like the filibuster, it forces a discussion on the issue.

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CaseyGeorge
CaseyGeorge

@waytngtym Do you have this email or did you just hear about it?  I subscribe to his emails and received no such email.  Perhaps it was from an organization supporting him or a PAC.

Amjean
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I like Rand Paul a lot, however, with everything else going on, I just don't see the value of him bringing this up right now. However,  I do applaud his heartfelt conviction.  He is taking a principled stand.

K-Bob
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So much for believing this is a state issue.

Do we have to tackle this now? Really? Sure it's important, but only if there's a country for it to be important in.

This looks more like burnishing credentials, and not serious policy.  Once again we have a guy who refuses to learn the lesson Reagan taught us all.

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K-Bob
K-Bob moderator

@waytngtym @K-Bob Did she go away?  I was gone for a week, so I'm not sure.  I thought she was still around.  I know she is getting active in that website she showed us.  Curse me for a novice, but I can't recall the name just now.

bfunk
bfunk

@K-Bob Yah, I'm with you. This is not an issue to take up now. It's definitely very important, but we have to make sure we still have America. Otherwise, it's a moot point. On the other hand, I'm glad that people like Rand are standing on principle. Maybe it won't even be voted on in the Senate, but I'm happy to be talking about principles and knowing that there are alternatives out there to the mclame gop.

PhillyCon
PhillyCon

@K-Bob However, it is an important issue in the sense that Obamacare funds all this stuff.  I think that would be very relevant, no?

JimLand
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@K-Bob Actually that is a good point.  As bad as abortion is, the real reason think it should be illegal is because it is murder, and murder is a state crime.  

AaronSheamusReale
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@JimLand @K-Bob 14th amendment, abortion can't go to the states. 

K-Bob
K-Bob moderator

@AaronSheamusReale @JimLand @K-Bob The Fourteenth prevents State and Local governments, as an acting agency, from taking a life.  In other words, your government cannot come kill you. It absolutely does not address abortion (nor murder, nor negligent homicide, nor war).

stage9
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@JimLand @K-Bob But since rights can't come from the state, -- they have no authority to dictate rights -- but they come from God, the state says it's a crime because God says it's a crime. right?