Sigh ... if someone came to America illegally, or overstayed their
visa and is now here illegally, why should that person be eligible for
IMV the decision by Senator Paul to get involved in the immigration debate is largely about his 2016 Presidential ambitions.
One final question for all those championing "comprehensive immigration reform" which includes the RNC, along with the Republicans in the House who are working on bi-partisan legislation, the Republican House leadership, the Republicans in the Senate who are working on bi-partisan legislation, along with Senator Paul ... why are you pushing this issue at this time?
It strikes many of us that this effort by Republicans to address comprehensive immigration reform at this time has much more to do with their desire of winning a larger share of the Hispanic vote than addressing the concerns of the people, top on the people's list being the economy, the debt and national security (which includes the need to secure the southern border and enforce existing laws).
With great respect, I suggest that those Republicans pushing for "comprehensive immigration reform" need to go back and listen with care to Governor Palin's CPAC 2013 speech. Then apply the principles that she enunciates in her speech before moving any further on this issue. Just a thought.
CPAC 2013 - Former Governor Sarah Palin (R-AK)
Listen I live in Japan, I'm on a visa. I love living here, but I Don't Want To Be A Japanese Citizen. I'm an American, and to top it off I'm here legally. For all those Illegals living in America here is my spiel:
You get to stay but you are not given citizenship Automatically, if you want it you have to go through the process and Apply for it.
If you don't fine just like me you get a visa and you have to reapply or until you get permanent residence status BUT NOT CITIZENSHIP! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT GO HOME or somewhere else.
An advocacy group for young immigrants expressed concern Wednesday after President Barack Obama, at his first press conference in months, said he would support "a pathway for legal status" for those living in the country illegally.
That Obama used the phrase "legal status" instead of "citizenship" raised alarm bells for some deep in the weeds of immigration advocacy, since some more conservative immigration reformers think the estimated 11 million people living in the country illegally should be given legal status but not the opportunity to become citizens.
"He looked like he sidestepped around saying 'citizenship,'" said Marisol Valero, spokeswoman for United We Dream, a group that represents young people who were brought to the country illegally as children and want the opportunity to become citizens. "We are worried that the president and other leaders will not be supporting a path to citizenship for everyone."
But a White House official told Yahoo News the president was outlining his blueprint for reform that the administration released in May, which says illegal immigrants who have no criminal record and meet certain criteria should be able to apply for citizenship after about 15 years.
greedy law breakers, always wanting more..... the r's need to work on this, before barry gives them all free homes, educations etc.
As a Hispanic American and an a Constitutional Conservative and a Jeffersonian. I will leave those in this great audience with this great quote from Thomas Jefferson.
" I am not an advocate for frequent changes in laws and constitutions. But laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind. As that becomes more developed, more enlighten as discoveries are made. New truths discovered and manners and opinions change. With the change of circumstances, institutions must advance, also to keep pace with the times. We might as well require a man to wear still the coat that fitted him when a boy. As civilized society to remain ever under the regiment of their barbarous ancestors."-T. Jefferson
AWESOME!!! As soon as I can fly to Mexico, I am crossing over the border and asking for a path to citizenship. That includes Canadians, right?
message to Rand - if Reagan didn't legalize the illegals back then, do you think we would have lost this election ? It's the demographics stupid. Why do these people drop a rock on their foot ? The first things any illegal learn is that republicans are evil, and conservatives are knuckle dragging neandertals who marry their mothers. Pat was right - there is a culture war.
Given the topic of immigrants in recent elections, an interesting new book that helps explain the role, struggles, and contributions of immigrants and minorities is "What Foreigners Need To Know About America From A To Z: How to understand crazy American culture, people, government, business, language and more.” It paints a revealing picture of America for those who will benefit from a better understanding. Endorsed by ambassadors, educators, and editors, it also informs Americans who want to learn more about the U.S. and how we compare to other countries around the world on many issues.
As the book points out, immigrants and minorities are a major force in America, as the GOP recently discovered. Immigrants and the children they bear account for 60 percent of our nation’s population growth and own 11 percent of US businesses and are 60 percent more likely to start a new business than native-born Americans. They represent 17 percent of all new business owners (in some states more than 30 percent). Foreign-born business owners generate nearly one-quarter of all business income in California and nearly one-fifth in the states of New York, Florida, and New Jersey.
Legal immigrants number 850,000 each year; undocumented (illegal) immigrants are estimated to be half that number. They come to improve their lives and create a foundation of success for their children to build upon, as did the author’s grandparents when they landed at Ellis Island in 1899 after losing 2 children to disease on a cramped cattle car-like sailing from Europe. Many bring skills and a willingness to work hard to make their dreams a reality, something our founders did four hundred years ago. In describing America, chapter after chapter identifies “foreigners” who became successful in the US and contributed to our society. However, most struggle in their efforts and need guidance, be they in Beantown or Anytown, USA. Perhaps intelligent immigration reform, concerned Americans, and even this book and others can extend a helping hand. www.AmericaAtoZ.com
Read thru this and get back to me on how much illegals contribute to this country.
In the course of makings one life better, you do not have the right to steal. Illegals are stealing.....jobs, identities, healthcare, welfare, etc. Illegals aren't coming here to be Americans they are coming here to steal.
Did you see the videos of illegals in 2006 marching in our streets and tellings us to die or go back to Europe?
.................................................Mr. Rand, even if you get a few thousand of Spanish votes, you'll lose ours - "only" ONE HUNDRED MILLION.
Think, Rand, do not follow back-stabbing advises of liberals.
I am one of many who can vouch that these illegals are not only taking our jobs but they are bringing down the wage scale. I am asked on many job app's if I have ever been on welfare the last 2 years. If you have, they get federal credits for hiring you. These businesses do not care about people anymore-all they care about is the biggest profit they can make. Been out of work 34 months and mowing lawns in the summer and decided this year to make a go of it as a small business. These capitalists who create jobs can shove it where the sun doesn't shine. Rand Paul can too for that matter. He's beginning to walk in his father's footsteps. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree as they say.
No Rand, just stop passing out the freebies like free healthcare, housing, social security food stamps etc. when the goodies go, so will they. It's a no brainier, but I guess we expect far too much from congress.
Intelligentsia from Europe cannot get here - illegals clog the system... designed by Ted the Swimmer Kennedy.
Can't say I'm particularly sympathetic to most blueblood European scientists/intellectuals. The Nobel Prize is increasingly useless nowadays anyways. But surely some of them will help contribute more to the US than low skilled people from the third world. Read my post above. The Swimmer made a really destructive bill.
Reagan tried amnesty with 3 million and never got more than 40% of the vote. Why bother? How's about enforcing the laws we have and telling the idiots in immigration to do their jobs faster than the speed of stupid.
Hannity does, too. The path to citizenship isn't amnesty. It only allows for citizenship for a people after a set time frame after some qualifications. Most illegal immigrants will remain in the US whether or not they are citizens, anyway.
what qualifications would that be? Are they going to be required to speak English? Prove they can earn a living and pay to take care of themselves without gov't assistance? Are they going to be required to know at least the beginning History of this country? I'll believe it when I see it. They still broke the law by the way.
They all say the same thing every election. The illegals always get their amnesty but we never get our borders closed. Neither party has the balls to do that. The masks really came off after this election. Pathetic.
Well...... it was nice knowing ya, Paul. First, you supported Romney from the beginning and now this. Unreal.
The only path to citizenship should be through demonstrating that one truly understands the Constitution of the United States and is willing to pledge allegiance To The United States of America. If someone really likes what we are and will do this, I have no problem allowing them citizenship. This subject is really that simple. The test process must be long and thorough. With one exception, if one is willing to lay their life on the line by joining our military, and can complete the service to our country in an honorable manner, then a faster path to citizenship should be made available. If they do not want to pledge allegiance to America, then they do not want to be a citizen.
Alright I had it.
I know Paul isn't compromising but if the GOP seriously won't back off this amnesty speak, fine.
Here is the plan the GOP should push.
Securing the Border: Send money, resources, and regulation exceptions to Border State Governors and have them secure their boarder properly. Must be completed ASAP
Grant instant Citizenship for all Immigrants classified as "Residential Alien"
Illegal Immigrants will be given a 1 year Deportation-Amnesty meaning if they come forward and admit their illegal status in a specified state location, they have no fear of being deported for being illegal.
-They'd also be subjected to background checks, and amnesty will be repealed should there be criminal record. They'd be deported Instantly.
Illegals who have no criminal record will be granted "Residential Alien" status. They are barred from applying to Citizenship for 30 years.
Illegals Immigrants who enlist in US Military will be granted Citizenship after 5 years of enrollment.
Family Unification-Some say Illegals would want to bring their family to the US. We will grant Residential Alien status for them. (Only immediate family though)
1) English as Official Language.
2) National E-Verify System-make it a Federal Crime to hire Illegal immigrants
3) If they commit a crime, during Amnesty period, are instantly deported and banned from the US
Sounds like the Reagan plan that has now landed at least 12 million more in this country. Oh, by the way, he made the same deal to seal the border and the demorats backed out after the amnesty was granted. That last thing I want in our military is illegals. Would you like a repeat of the 9/11 terrorists armed within our ranks like Ft. Hood?
Nidal Hasan, (Ft.Hood) was born in Virginia to parents who were legal immigrants, a legal US citizen. The 9/11 terrorists all came to the US through legal channels, student/work visa programs. So neither are relevant to the illegal immigration argument. The 9/11 terrorists were guilty of over-staying on their visas (they had expired) so they would be a valid argument for tightening visa enforcement, but, neither example has anything to do with illegal immigration. There has been Hezbollah propaganda found in the area of our southern border, which is something that is relevant to our seriously porous border, an issue that needs urgent attention and a workable solution. I do not believe a continuous wall is workable or realistic, perhaps better barriers at the easiest approaches that would funnel those that would try to cross illegally to more formidable terrain that could be effectively monitored and would aid in enforcement. That said it is a complex problem that will not be easily solved.
I'm with you. It is a really DUMB idea to allow people to invade and then arm them and put them in our military....I mean think about it, you want to attack us so we make it easy by letting you sneak in and then we put you in our military. How can anyone even think that is a good idea?
Millions that stayed home...and let Obama win so he could pass full amnesty first thing in another term.
Romney did! He said it during the 2nd or 3rd debate, can't remember which. I think that is when he lost the millions that stayed home.
Our military men and women have enough worries, both during deployment and when they come home. We don't need to add the horrific risk factor of armed terrorists on both sides to their worries.
I'm not in favor of at least 1 of the conditions you have mentioned. To give instant citizenship to the ones that are already Residents is not wise. They should wait the normal period required to become a US Citizen. The law call for 5 years after holding a Resident status and subject to no criminal records.
“I think I might have the ability to get out in front of this issue,” Paul said when asked if he believed conservatives would cry “amnesty” over such a plan. “I think I might have the ability because nobody really questions — at least not so far — whether I’m conservative enough.”
I am questioning it now Senator Paul.
This is national suicide via exsanguination. This will bleed us dry.
The 70% of Hispanics voting Democrat were motivated to do so not by Amnesty, they were voting that way for WELFARE and centralized government. The same can be said for the 70% of Jewish voters, the 98% of Black voters, the 60% of single women, etc.
Even if Republicans are stupid enough to vote for Amnesty or Legalization or Comprehensive Immigration Reform or whatever Orwellian term you choose to use in an attempt to pull the wool of the Republican electorate's eyes, the 70% of Hispanics will still not vote Republican.
Senator Paul SECURE THE BORDER!!!
All these swell ideas from GOP pols make me wonder what their agenda would have been had they won the election. Have a feeling Amnesty was at the top of their list, not Repeal Romneycare.
I don't think Romney felt strongly about it either way, he responds to pressure. He would have had statements about self-deportation he made in the primary, and he'd have to look consistent. Anyhow definitely a step or two up from Bush or McCain who had deep emotional ties to passing amnesty. Obama himself cited that in the second debate.
With Romney it was let's try him out and see how he does, with Obama you KNOW he's going to pass an amnesty, he's explicitly said it's going to be one of his top priorities in his second term. That should be frightening.
Here we go again.
We don't even have a decent definition on the right for what "amnesty" actually means. And yet discussing anything less than fullscale deportations leaves you open to accusations of amnesty.
Until that wholesale madness is cured, forget even discussing the illegal alien problem. Just focus on closing the blasted border.
Amnesty is forgiving the crime, letting someone keep what they took, etc. Granting citizenship is the ulitmate amnesty. Giving illegals legal status is amnesty.
Tom Tancredo sums it up, "Letting illegals stay is amnesty".
It isn't just citizenship, any type of legal status is amnesty.
Sure. It just won't happen. So we have to go complex.
Of course, Obama got away with claiming he reduced the flow of illegals. Obvious. A crappy economy ceases to draw as many across the border.
I'm against recruiting them, but if they served in theater, that makes them Marines, Army, Navy, Air Force. That beats a straight flush in the game of green card lotto.
I am strongly against allowing illegals in our military. Good grief! How do they get into our military in the first place? Don't we check? Sneak in and we arm you? Crazy!
It's easier to just tell them to get the $%%&(&^*^(&)()( out.
Before our governor even signed our illegal immigration bill last year, a lot left. Then o's backdoor amnesty brought many of them back.
Well, I'm all for that. It's just that I believe we'll need a complex of answers to specific cases.
A) Control borders better
B) End anchor baby status
c) End chain migration
D) "regularize" the status of illegals
Where, "D" means a whole bunch of different things.
Guy who fought in Iraq or Afghanistan get at least a green card. Valedictorian kid of illegal alien gets a worker visa, and her parents stay non-citizen, and pay a fine. Stuff like that. It has to be complex or it simply won't happen.
No one says you get all illegals out of the country. The goal is to greatly reduce their numbers here and crossing our borders. Get us back to NOT pressing one for English. This is not an all or nothing proposition.
As much as I admire his fortitude on the issue, I have to disagree with Tom on practical grounds. It creates a totally unenforceable standard.
I've seen proposals that require illegals to leave, go get in line at a US embassy in their home country, and apply for permission to legally emigrate, and wait for permission. ..And those were called amnesty by some really "tough-guy" paleocons.
I'm not sure why granting a special class of legal status, along with a fine, and no ability to vote or contribute to campaigns should be called amnesty. Maybe even only allowing the children of illegals to have a path to citizenship, but not the parents. Something that actually has a hope of working.
But as I said, getting control of the borders is far more important than dealing with who is here already. In fact, I favor allowing the states to deal with the fact of whoever is here already, and telling the feds to FO. But that's just me.
I would also add that we need to copy some European country's law with regard to the so-called "anchor baby" problem. Just copy Germany's law and blame it on them. That way we can end that magnet to illegal border crossers, and the lefties can't whine because we would be granting them their stupid wish to be more like Europe.
IMO Newt laid out the best solution I have heard so far using 3 principles, and everyone attacked him as being for amnesty.
At the core of being American is a thorough understanding of American exceptionalism. We are a nation not defined by place or ethnic heritage, but by the collective understanding that we are “endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” It is precisely these rights, freedoms and opportunities that have drawn ambitious, risk-seeking immigrants to our shores for four centuries.
It is essential that every native-born American and every immigrant learn about this exceptional heritage and our exceptional history.
1. No “comprehensive” plan can work. President Bush could not pass one during six years with a Republican Congress. President Obama could not pass one with a Democratic Congress. Immigration reform can be outlined as a complete proposal but has to be passed in a series of steps, with each one understood and passed on its own merits.
2. Under no circumstance can a path to citizenship be created which would allow those who have broken the law to receive precedence over those who patiently waited to become residents and citizens via the legal process. Those who adhered to our immigration law cannot be usurped by those who violated it.
3. We must reconcile the goal of legality with the reality that there are millions of immigrants currently here outside the law, some with a long set of family and community ties, and some with no ties. A system has to be established that establishes legality but no citizenship for those with deep ties, repatriates those with no family or community ties in a dignified way, and quickly sends home those who have committed criminal and other destructive acts.
He wasn't pushing amnesty, but like you many jumped on the bandwagon yelling NEWT is for amnesty without reading or consideration of the plan he put forth.
It doesn't show much thoughtfulness to the issue if anyone thinks there is going to be a deportation of 12+ million illegals.
It isn't going to happen, I don't care who is president.