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You are so right. I agree me must secure the border so that those deported cannot get a good nights rest and then return. The bigger problem is that the majority in this country no longer have the strength of character to value our citizenship. It will take real courage and leadership to re-kindle the sense of National pride necessary for this country to survive. The left will throw everything they have at anyone who takes a step in that direction. I hope it is not a challenge bigger than what this country is now capable of.
Illegal immigration is the great blight on Rick Perry's otherwise good record. Perry needs to be pressured by the other Primary candidates to improve he position against illegal immigration.
Dude. This is way over the top here. I don't mind you guys arguing, but getting personal like this is not allowed.
I understand that things can get out of hand and you probably said this in the heat of the moment.
That said, please refrain from comments like these.
Sign #2 of a fact-blind, truth-hating, gutless, self-loathing cur...
When faced with facts ~
1. Name call
2. Blow up
3. Get uselessly vulgar
...the FACTS I've posted (on this, and every other thread I've ever been a part of) REMAIN.
Jealousy?
Of what? An intellectual giant, pillar of personal decency and integrity, and model of moral fiber and spine like yourself?
It's not likely. I'm not that drunk, and not ever likely to be (since I don't drink).
CM Sackett
You are correct, williamm... and acorn was already WELL ESTABLISHED on the radar of several watch groups by then.
"Was Acorn even part of the American lexicon then?"
As a matter of fact, yes.
As I mentioned in my suggestion to you, below... the difference between men and boys ain't just the size of their toys.
You chase my every post ~ out of petty personal acrimony.
Every person I dealt with as a chief moderator here I did so out of library of facts and knowledge of the Truth in the matter at hand... every time.
When something a person posted sounded wrong or even just felt 'rotten', if I didn't KNOW the FACTS... I researched and investigated several sources deep, to make sure I did before I dealt with the post/person.
I'll even help you along in your search for the FACTS on this one:
Oh, and one more suggestion.
When you go out of your way to be a confrontive little ass, don't "think"... KNOW.
Some folks will eat you alive with FACTS and TRUTH.
Oh, and one more suggestion.
When you go out of your way to be a confrontive little ass, don't "think"... KNOW.
Some folks will eat you alive with FACTS and TRUTH.
It is from 2005... and I have other "interesting" photo ops of the gov, from MUCH MORE RECENT.
NOTE: shill, you are fast showing yourself to be a 'conservative' clone of fine upstanding journalists such as 'Tingles' Mathews and Al 'MUCH' Sharpton. You chasing my every post for any perceived chance to hike your little weinerdog leg and relieve yourself of some of your pent up bile and personal problems... isn't going to look good on your "Clear and Balanced" resume when you go to apply for a moderator's position.
But you go ahead, little fella. Like the old proverb says, "The dogs, they bark and bark. But the Caravan just keeps on rolling".
Sackett
It is from 2005... and I have other "interesting" photo ops of the gov, from MUCH MORE RECENT.
NOTE: shill, you are fast showing yourself to be a 'conservative' clone of fine upstanding journalists such as 'Tingles' Mathews and Al 'MUCH' Sharpton. You chasing my every post for any perceived chance to hike your little weinerdog leg and relieve yourself of some of your pent up bile and personal problems... isn't going to look good on your "Clear and Balanced" resume when you go to apply for a moderator's position.
But you go ahead, little fella. Like the old proverb says, "The dogs, they bark and bark. But the Caravan just keeps on rolling".
Sackett
"Palin will demolish him."
Maybe so.
Perry is a gentleman...with women.
I doubt that he would fight back.
So Palin would have an advantage there.
If what I have read on other blogs is true about her recent remarks aimed at Perry...then she is already taking potshots at him.
Which is disappointing, if true.
Perry probably still considers her a friend, so I would be surprised if he responded with any sort of the same snarkiness.
I would like to take all you guys to Laredo for a year. I would like you to hear what Mexican Americans, and nationized Mexicans say about illegal aliens. I would like you to talk to the day trippers, those Mexicans, who cross the border every day. Guaranteed, you would be ashamed. Put a no mans land between Mexico and the USA. Stop the one day deportation. Only Perry knows this, and knows what will work and what will not. Stop all illegal hiring, but ju got to convince some New Yorker, only criminals swim the river. I can well understand Obama doing nothing about the border, he is just another clueless gringo, who thinks he can reason with a man with a shotgun. In short, put Perry where he can at least try to use his proven ability to stop a National disgrace.
WRONG. Time is up on immigration. Stop the cronyism associated with cheap labor. Prioritize PUBLIC SAFETY/NATIONAL SECURITY and do the other items. Put the absolute FEAR of GOD into the business community about hiring illegals. Fait Accompli. There is no reason to WAIT as the 14th amendment is allowing anchors to take over the nation that was garnered by blood. No trifle matter, my friend.
Check his record on imagration. He loves illegals. His state has hired most of them.
Palin, TRUE GRIT, THE ONLY ONE TO TRUST.
Perry has made...no secret...about aggressively going after investment in his state, Elmer.
No secret.
From any source.
Getting foreign investments into US soil makes those capital investments subject to our laws....while creating jobs and increasing tax revenues.
Give me an alpha dog hunter-gatherer like Perry, any day, over the likes of Obama who is selling us out on all fronts.
And I agree in theory about the Logan Act.
However...
Just having meetings in private with wealthy people can cause speculation and market fluctuations.
So it is tricky business, and I can understand the need for privacy.
It's good to keep an eye on it, though.
But we should maintain a level of sanity with the speculations about what it means.
It goes to character.
When Pelosi met with Syrian leaders...I think she was up to no good.
I trust Perry's character, because so far I have not seen anything in his record that leaves me to suspect that he's done anything more than try to do a good job for his state.
Like Palin, Perry doesn't have the 'Bush connections' going for him.
So I cannot fault him for trying to make some connections of his own.
Doesn't mean they were with sinister intent.
I'm tempted to respond regarding the drugs, but I don't want to prolong a conversation that has no end because we are entrenched on our position. Let's just say we disagree, and that's ok. Because I'm sure there is plenty other things we probably agree on, and I support closed borders. I think we can stop at that common point. I will say this though. I never made a dime helping out. It's all volunteer, my friend. I make a living doing other things, and a fine living doing it. The only horse I have in the race is a moral one. Most of the country rides that same horse.
Yeah...to get their money.
To get their money to help his state.
Doesn't mean he has sold his soul, or his state...or his country, to the bastards.
Unless and until the Alex Jones crowd can come up with some hard evidence that Perry has joined some 'secret society' of globalists, Elmer...I am not buying into that line of diarrhea.
Just Another politician doing double talk and avoiding the subject we want to know the answer to.
I think your wrong to a degree. We as a nation do place a value on citizenship and sovereignty. Our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence Assess the value of Citizenship. As for Sovereignty, that is the free right of our nation to inforce its laws within its borders, but the LIBERAL(SOCIALIST) left doesn't believe in teaching it, they want a one world nation so that there is no such thing as freedom. As for Citizenship, it has and always should be FREE, just as it was when our ancestors came to America. Freedom is a right to all Citizens around the world in their respected countries because it is a right granted to them by GOD and not by governments. We know that here in America but again, the LIBERAL(SOCIALIST) left wont teach GOD given rights, because they dont believe in the POWER and Authority of GOD, but only in the Authority of One Man over another. This mindset of the LIBERALS is no different than trying to impose SLAVERY, by legal means through government force of power.
I think your wrong to a degree. We as a nation do place a value on citizenship and sovereignty. Our Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Declaration of Independence Assess the value of Citizenship. As for Sovereignty, that is the free right of our nation to inforce its laws within its borders, but the LIBERAL(SOCIALIST) left doesn't believe in teaching it, they want a one world nation so that there is no such thing as freedom. As for Citizenship, it has and always should be FREE, just as it was when our ancestors came to America. Freedom is a right to all Citizens around the world in their respected countries because it is a right granted to them by GOD and not by governments. We know that here in America but again, the LIBERAL(SOCIALIST) left wont teach GOD given rights, because they dont believe in the POWER and Authority of GOD, but only in the Authority of One Man over another. This mindset of the LIBERALS is no different than trying to impose SLAVERY, by legal means through government force of power.
My sister lives in Texas and she is always complaining about the illegal immigrant problem there. There seems to be no law enforcement of any kind. The drive without licenses or insurance and when they get stopped the police let them go without any kind of citation. The reason business is doing so well in Texas is they can hire illegal immigrants and nothing is done about it. If this is indicative of Perry's policy toward illegals, then he is done. Another Bush.
"Another Bush."
Bush Sr. and Dick Cheney both endorsed Kay Baley Hutchinson to run against Perry in the last governors race there.
The rift between the Bush dynasty and Perry dates back to the fact that Perry comes from a humble, poor-farmer background.
Not the silver-spoon Northeastern Republican elitist background that G.W. Bush came from.
There are now Hispanics in CA. wanting deportation..it's pretty funny.Picked it up on the Standing with AZ FB page. It's a ruling-class controlled issue. It needs to be BLOWN WIDE OPEN this election. Remember when BABS had a go at Sara...something about staying in Alaska?
I didn't get this from his speech on illegal immigration that he was using the border security as an excuse.
He was right that you can't tackle the illegal population until you first secure your borders.
I don't think you'll get any candidate that will say "WE WILL SHIP ALL ILLEGALS BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY". Well, that wasn't true - Tancredo more or less said that and look what happened to him. Another Ron Paul if you ask me, but different beliefs.
We may not always agree with a candidate, but realistically you can't expect them to ship all illegals back to their country. What I would say is that employers should pay a BIG penalty and even to the point of losing their license. Cities that ignore our laws on immigration should be penalized and stripped of their federal funds. This is where the majority of the problems is. Once you target the perpetrators then illegals will have no reason to come this country.
But, to say or expect a candidate to vow of getting rid of illegals is unrealistic.
Where is the common sense?
Other states like MS, AL, GA,SC,OK AZ have taken steps to tackle the invasion problem. There is nothing sequential about this. Leaders must address now. The levers on ICE can be turned up and a plan to militarize the border at the FED level. The Chamber of Commerce blocks every effort to go after employers. That must be dealt with aggressively through whichever means is available. Where is the common sense in waiting to institute E-Verify? The SCOTUS Ruling gave states the power to do this. So what's the hold-up? Oh wait.....I know.
Last night somebody on Free Republic drug in the transcripts on Sara Palin on the I-issue. They pretty much place her in the enforce the law camp. This is why Perry can easily run as he is establishment-Ruling-Class and will be funded to the hilt...Sara is running alongside the process like a labrador.Her position on the Institution of Cheap Labor will ensure no money from big sources like Perry. I urge you to look at her promo vids. The images show Americans working, using their hands...hint,hint.
Rick Perry is trying to portray himself as a "good conservative" so that if he enters the race he will be accepted by Christian conservatives. If Rick Perry did win the Republican nomination, he would have a great chance of winning the general election because he would very much be an "establishment" candidate.
But before Republicans get too excited about Rick Perry, there are a whole lot of things that they should know about him.
Supporters of Texas Governor Rick Perry are not going to like this article at all. Right now, Republicans all over the United States are touting Rick Perry as the "Republican messiah" that is going to come charging in to save America from the presidency of Barack Obama. Many believe that if Rick Perry enters the race, he will instantly become the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in
2012. Perry certainly looks the part and he knows how to give a good speech, but when ordinary Americans all over the country take a hard look at his record, they may not like what they see.
The truth is that Rick Perry is a big-time globalist, he has raised taxes and fees in Texas numerous times, he has massively increased the size of government spending and government debt in Texas, he has been trying to ram the Trans-Texas Corridor down the throats of the Texas people and he tried to force young women all over Texas to be injected with the Gardasil vaccine. No, Rick Perry is not going to save America. In fact, he would likely be very, very similar to both Bush and Obama in a lot of ways.
Favorite new slam against Perry this morning: he's an Radical Islamic lover and supports Sharia law.
Boy there are loons.
Debra Medina challenges Rick Perry's record on immigration---Rick Perry doesn't show, sends his senior policy advisor. Enjoy the truth being revealed.
There's Perry's fumble dance around ILLEGALS from south of the Border... then there's Perry's affinity for OUTLAWS from THIS side:
He's already been asked and he doesn't support it...nor does he support Arizona's attempts at securing their borders.
In short, no.
What? Do you think they are going to raise their hands up and say "here, let someone legitimate take this business now that it's legal".
I don't see the parallels to prohibition and mobs that some make. I understand libertarians and others believe in this from a freedom perspective, but freedom is nothing without guiding moral principle. I have spent too much time in this matter personally working in the recovery side of this insidious business. Regardless of one's faith or lack thereof, I stand with our founding fathers in the belief that this freedom we enjoy is nothing if we don't stand up for morality in our homes, communities, and yes, our government.
This comment should bring all the libertarians out of the woodwork. Love you guys, but this is where we part ways. (oh yes, and on foreign policy too).
"“we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. " Would these be the same upstanding fine citizens who are flying their Green white and red?
I don't know if this is a non biased site (I'm trying hard to be fair) but this was interesting as well:
This is what I've been trying to point out about Perry all along. He is NOT a conservative, he's a big government, globalist GOPer who will say anything during a campaign and then do what he really wants to do after we can't do anything to stop him. He also has perfected blaming rules or Congress instead of taking responsibility or spelling out his own views to voters.
Agreed that it would be nice to hear a comprehensive answer on this, but I agree with his stance that border security comes first. It is so bad down there now that we could have major problems-- especially if their next President is bought by the cartels. It is highly likely that will be the case.
Furthermore, the issue of what to do with those that are already here is all the more complicated if the flow of illegal immigration is not stopped. Many of these people are looking for a safer, better place--BUT many are not. Many are looking to take advantage of the system or run from trouble.
I'm married to a Mexican woman whose Parents legally immigrated and took citizenship. We have family property in Mexico, but won't visit due to the safety risks. I pray for those good people down there caught in this.
Nevertheless, my position is you come over legally or don't come. Our sytem here is already weighed down, and if we don't get some sanity on our borders and sovereignty, immigration really won't be a problem because there will be nothing left worth immigrating to. That's a fact.
Hey Liz, I asked you a few days ago- who do you like better so far, as far as candidates/qualities?
RS you are catching on to Ricky's trademark. He will always talk border but never enact or promote a relatively easy solution in E-Verify,criminalizing doc fraud,etc, as the biggest money path leads back to a cabal of large GOP donors that are all about cheap labor.
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