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To Savingtherepublic: Ron Paul is actually one of the few politicians who understands the blow-back repercussions of American's foreign policy in the middle east. However annoying America's cultural influence may be in the region, make no mistake that it's America's staunch support for Israel, but mostly the turning a blind eye to Israel's settlement policy in the Palestinian territories. Until the U.S. removes the influence Jewish money has on our foreign policy, radical as well as moderate Muslims will continue to hate us. That said, ending the federal reserve act would be a good start considering the federal reserve is no more federal then federal express, but rather a cartel of Jewish owned banks.
I think Ron Paul is out of your league to challenge in a debate. Your knowledge on the subject suggests maybe Chuck Norris or Stallone would be a suitable match.
To Savingtherepublic: Ron Paul is actually one of the few politicians who understands the blow-back repercussions of American's foreign policy in the middle east. However annoying America's cultural influence may be in the region, make no mistake that it's America's staunch support for Israel, but mostly the turning a blind eye to Israel's settlement policy in the Palestinian territories. Until the U.S. removes the influence Jewish money has on our foreign policy, radical as well as moderate Muslims will continue to hate us. That said, ending the federal reserve act would be a good start considering the federal reserve is no more federal then federal express, but rather a cartel of Jewish owned banks.
I think Ron Paul is out of your league to challenge in a debate. Your knowledge on the subject suggests maybe Chuck Norris or Stallone would be a suitable match.
Where is he speaking?? at the RNC, or an adjacent rally? who are all those cheering? I know they are Paulbots but...??
you realize the Ron Paul critics are the nutcases when they assume the US gov should have a monopoly on nuclear weapons. governments should not have any monopolies.
In order to have a "realization" requires one to be free of delusion and hallucination. Sadly it seems you haven't freed your mind of the drugs you're on yet, but keep trying.
Actually the death toll would have been in the millions, for he would have not lifted a finger till the cities were vaporized. His response would have been swift though, all of the available sling shots would have been brought to bear, for that is all that his pathetic mind could comprehend as being constitutional. The gun carrying jihadi's would be laughing at the ranting lunatic for thinking that his voice would terrify them into submission, while slaughtering Americans by the thousands.
Yes there would be no more war on little pieces of us left.
Well, speak of the devil!
Ron Paul Supporters: We 'Have More In Common Than Not' With Occupy [Wall Street]
WE KNOW!
I support Ron Paul. We have put our civil society at risk of fiscal implosion partly due to all the wars we've been fighting for many years. We've sacrificed lives and limbs on many occasions with nothing in return. It's not worth it in most cases.
We have guaranteed a financial implosion, and a destruction of the currency that we are tied to.
There are many here who passionately believe that Islam poses a grave threat to our nation. As such, would we not be wise to annihilate Indonesia first, as it is home to nearly 200 million Muslims (the most in any one single nation on Earth)?
Personally, I think that when we conquer a nation, we should plant our flag and make it a state. If a nation is such a threat, they should no longer be a nation. Yeah, this is imperialism, but it would be better than tearing them up, rebuilding them, and then handing it back to Muslim control.
You know, they breathe air and stuff, too, just like other humans. Why not wipe out all humans to make sure?
Just following your "logic" here.
So are you saying Indonesian Muslims are different from other followers of Islam? I'm just trying to follow the "logic" of others here who have said RP and his supporters "don't understand Islam" and "Muslims hate us because we are non-Muslims" and "we need total war with dozens of nukes dropped on population centers in major Islamic states." Why aren't we focusing on the country with more followers of Islam than any other on the planet? 86% of Indonesians are Muslim...is that not a threat to us?
You know how you can tell what I'm "saying?" you can read it, just like anyone else.
No, you not using logic at all. You are making up red herring nonsense by abusing the language used in these discussions. We didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday here. We know full well where the populations are (surprised you didn't mention London or Dearborn). We also know, as apparently Ron Paul and his followers do not, who is stirring up the most trouble in the Middle East.
An expose into Ron Paul
Ron Paul believes the United States was responsible for 9/11
“Just think of what happened after 9/11. Immediately before there was any assessment there was glee in the administration because now we can invade Iraq.” (1)
"Just remember that immediately after 9/11, we removed the base in Saudi Arabia, our policies definitely had an influence," Paul said. "To argue the case they want to do us harm because we're free and prosperous I think is a very dangerous notion, because it's not true."(2)
Donations have been made to Ron Paul by 9-11 conspiracy nut and Talk Show Host Alex Jones. Aaron Dykes of Alex Jones' company Magnolia Management and Alex Jones' Infowars website gave Ron Paul $1600 during the 2008 campaign.
Ron Paul doesn't believe Ahmadinejad wants to destroy Israel or the US.(3) In fact PAUL DEFENDS IRAN!!!!
"But to declare war on 1.2 billion m u s l i m s, and say all m u s l i m s are the same -- this is dangerous talk. Yeah, there are some radicals. But they don't come here to k i l l us because we're free and prosperous. Do they go to Switzerland and Sweden? I mean, that's absurd. If you think that is the reason, we have no chance of winning this. They come here, and explicitly explain it to us, CIA has explained it to us -- it said they come here and they want to do us harm because we're b o m b i n g them...."(4)
Ahmadinejad (at Columbia University, September 24, 2007) on claims of wanting to destroy Israel
www.youtube . com/watch?v=ryXiFYYXzyM
Ahmadinejad: Israel Will Disappear From Map
www.youtube . com/watch?v=5hLDjGdJC0Q&feature=related
Ron Paul's newsletter, which always carried his name: "Ron Paul’s Freedom Report", the "Ron Paul Political Report", the "Ron Paul Survival Report", and the "Ron Paul Investment Letter" often contained many racist and conspiratorial statements
According to James Kirchick of the Weekly Standard in quoting from Paul's newsletters:
“Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the b l a c ks to pick up their welfare checks,” read a typical article from the June 1992 “Special Issue on R a c i a l Terrorism,” a supplement to the Ron Paul Political Report. r a c i a l apocalypse was the most persistent theme of the newsletters; a 1990 issue warned of “The Coming r a c e War,” and an article the following year about disturbances in the Adams Morgan neighborhood of Washington, D.C., was entitled “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” Paul alleged that Martin Luther King Jr., “the world-class philanderer who b e a t up his paramours,” had also “s e d u c e d u n d e r a g e g i r l s and b o y s.” The man who would later proclaim King a “hero” attacked Ronald Reagan for signing legislation creating the federal holiday in his name, complaining, “We can thank him for our annual h a t e W h i t e y Day.”
Kirchick continues:
"Paul gave credence to the theory, later shown to have been the product of a Soviet disinformation effort, that A I D S had been created in a U.S. government laboratory at Fort Detrick, Maryland. Three months before far-right e x t r e m i s t s k i l l ed 168 Americans in Oklahoma City, Paul’s newsletter praised the “1,500 local m i l i t i as now training to defend liberty” as “one of the most encouraging developments in America.” And he offered specific advice to antigovernment m i l i t i a members, such as, “Keep the group size down,” “Keep quiet and you’re harder to find,” “Leave no clues,” “Avoid the phone as much as possible,” and “Don’t fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.” (5)
From an Open Letter written on October 26, 2007 to Ron Paul, Michael Medved asks Paul whether he had any knowledge of the fact that his columns appeared in the radical "American Free Press":
"...your columns have been featured for several years in the "American Free Press" - a publication of the nation's leading Holocaust Denier and anti-Semitic agitator, Willis Carto. His book club even recommends works that glorify the n a z i S S, and glowingly describe the "comforts and amenities" provided for inmates of Auschwitz. Have your columns appeared in the "American Free Press" with your knowledge and approval?"
Medved never received a response.
Ron Paul would not financially support Israel, one of our closest and loyal allies.
“Why do we have this automatic commitment that we’re going to send our k i d s and send our money endlessly to Israel?” This is an echo of Pat Buchanan’s 1990 claim that if the United States went to war against Saddam H u s s e i n it would be on behalf of Israel, and that “kids with names like McAllister, Murphy, Gonzales, and L e r o y Brown” would be the ones doing the fighting and d y i n g. The assertion that American soldiers are risking their lives to protect Israel and not the United States is as false today as it was two decades ago. (6)
Ron Paul believes that the World Trade Center b o m b i n g in ‘93 might have been a CIA plot.
In one of Ron Paul’s newsletters was the conspiracy that the Israelis were behind the WTC b o m b i n gs in 1993:"Whether [the 1993 World Trade Center b o m b i n g] was a setup by the Israeli Mossad, as a
J e w i s h friend of mine suspects, or was truly a retaliation by the i s l a mic f u n d a m e n t a l i s t s, matters little."(7)
"The Middle East, in the last forty years, has soaked up billions of dollars in the name of American security and peace. The more we give Israel, the more we must give their Arab enemies. The height of this folly was vividly and tragically dramatized on October 23, 1981, with the k i l l ing of the 241 Marines in Beirut when their barracks were destroyed by radical M o s l e m s. The t e r r o r i s t s probably were aided by Iran and supplied with e x p l o s i v e s sold to them by Israel, originating from the United States and paid for by American taxpayers."(8)
Who supports Ron Paul? Radicals of course!
M u s l i m s agree with Paul. M u s l i mVoterOnPaul . com:
"Brothers and Sisters, please vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries. It's our obligation to come together and try to stand up for not only our best interests, but the best interests of the entire U m m a h."(9)
Democrat supporter Barry Manilow supported Ron Paul in 08.(10) Paul also had connections with Sandy Sheehan's Congressional campaign, Howard Dean's "Democracy for America", and "The Barnes Review" which is a Holocaust-denier magazine founded by Willis Carto.(11) He also was given in 08 a $500 donation from w h i t e s u p r e m a c i s t Stormfront . org founder Don B l a c k(12) which Paul supporters shrugged off as nothing peculiar(13).
Breitbat . tv also reports that OCCUPY DESMOINES supports Paul!(14) And why shouldn't they, occupiers are associated with the American n a z i Party, the Communist Party USA and of course anarchists, who share many of Paul's values.(15)
The Nevada brothel, "Bunny Ranch", is leading a campaign called "P i m p i n for Paul", where male clients can donate money to the Paul Campaign.(16)
(references provided upon request)
Ron Paul deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. And yes, 12,000 convention goers tea partied for him on Sunday YOU BET YOUR TROTSKYITE BUTT!
http://www.examiner.com/article/lew-rockwell-ron-paul-deserves-the-nobel-peace-prize-video
That's funny. Michael Scheuer of the CIA disagrees. The simplistic idea of one single bogeyman is just ludicrous.
You're talking about the same Michael Scheuer, that stated in his 2002 book Through Our Enemies' Eyes that there was a working relationship between Saddam and Al Qaeda, then contradicted himself in an interview with Chris Matthews in 2004 and then when confronted hurriedly penned a revised version to support his later claim? That is what in the intel world is known as an "unreliable source".
Why is it that so many people support the tactics that we are using in the middle east? I don't deny the threat of Islam, and I recognize exactly what Islam is. The difference between those who support the status quo, and myself, is that I believe that when someone in the world is a real threat to the US, we should annihilate them and immediately leave them devastated, instead of rebuilding them and failing in an attempt to set up a new government that is somehow supposed to be like us. (never happens)
The only reason to fear Islamic countries and groups in the middle east, is that you don't trust your government to protect our rights, our borders, and our sovereignty. Have our individual liberties failed us? Is that why we are willing to let them go? If our borders and shipping docks were secure, would you fear an Islamic overthrow?
If some get through and kill Americans, is it not the price that Amercans should be willing to pay to retain their liberties? Isn't that what our military does? Are they the only ones who should be willing to do it?
Islam can never threaten a free America. They are not the threat that many believe, unless our government sells us out. Have they?
Leaving them to their own devices in the middle east will likely cause them to go back to fighting themselves, rather than us, and Israel. They will always hate Israel, but the real threats are easily stomped out, but only if we destroy them swiftly, and leave them to rebuild themselves. We are failing big time in the middle east, and we are going down at home in the process, because we have given up on American ideals for this war on terror. (a tactic)
Our failure to recognize the destruction of the US from within, and from our political elite, will be our ultimate destruction. Our failure to recognize global powers who are positioning themselves to mop us up after they collapse our financial system is a much bigger threat than any Islamic group could present to us.
"I believe that when someone in the world is a real threat to the US, we should annihilate them and immediately leave them devastated, "
You definitely don't share Paul's foreign policy then. Conservatives don't all agree on that "nation building" crapola. But they definitely believe in a muscular foreign policy.
That is Paul's position, he just doesn't use the word "annihilate". He says that the prerequisite to this would be that they have to be an imminent threat. He says that he wouldn't rebuild them. He wants to use the nation building and foreign welfare money for national defense and budget cuts. Most people think that he wants to cut our military down to nothing, but that is not true. He wants to use our military might to protect our borders, and maintain our ability to defend against any foreign threat.
He just wants to get us out of UN and banker controlled conflicts and fortify our nation. He voted for the use of force to get Bin Laden. I agreed with that as well. I didn't agree with taking over nations.
It is no matter. He won't be a prominent figure in the US political scene any longer. There currently is nobody to replace him in congress. The Fed issue, getting rid of federal depts, and all of that will fade away after this election cycle, and we will tread the same ground that we have been.
Being a pragmatist, I don't have any grand illusions of a revolutionary turnaround.
K-Bob, I am not sure the window is closing, I think it's just only half way up & rising.
We still have all the younger gen. college people who are waking up to the debt they, their children & grandchildren will be on the hook for. This is not limited to the younger gen as people all over the country are waking up. Awareness is growing of the slow choking of civil liberties. Another is our imperialist foreign policy. Then their is the lack of Constitutional government all across the board...
Ron Paul gets a lot of cheap shots here that he does not deserve. Few leave citations, & most of them are not accurate when citations are posted. But in spite of all those detractors that support centralized socialist style big govt, over spending & ponzi borrowing to cover the shortfall & the collapse of the USA, tacitly or out right, Ron '& Co.' have managed to change the national dialog.
For the 1st time in a long while there is talk about how dangerous the NOW's 'Federal' Reserve is. How far we have been led away from our founding documents. How truly dangerous over spending by govt has become. How badly 'progressives' in both 'parties' have decimated the USA & that now, both parties are corrupt.
The reason Ron is under such deceptive & disingenuous attack is because the 'progressive' leaders in both 'parties', the RNC, military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex, the welfare industrial complex & all those bigot piggies who slurp away at the slop trough DC has become KNOW Ron would actually bring the change he has been fighting for for over 30 years.
They know Ron's fidelity to the Constitution. They have read his books on economics, heard his speeches...they are aware that Ron has been on the same track for those 3o+ years. They know Ron's budget plan would decimate the over spenders & greedy $ grabbers.
In short, Ron Paul is the only major candidate the entrenched establishment truly fear. That's why the RNC, even Fox 'News', have used deception, deceit & false reporting to try to sabotage Ron's campaign & why they had RINO CINO Romney as the one they want.
We also have Judge Napolitano & Chuck Baldwin as well as Jack Hunter. Lotta true patriots left. Also Gary Johnson.
Just because Spooky Dude media doesn't report on it does not mean it's not happening. The liberty movement that grew up around Ron Paul's long years of working to educate the American voter on how badly we need to return to our founding documents & Founder's advice is much more. wide spread & popular than fringe media wants US to know.
Yo prog libs, it's also your $$ that's being wasted. Your civil liberties going away. You are as much at risk for indefinite detention & assassination as the rest of US... And so on. Will drones over your house work out for ya really well???
SamFox
I don't think that we have to worry about any anti establishment candidates making it through a primary anymore. Anyone who is for this country will be shut out. Take a look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Llg-a8FamJg
I'm pretty sure that window has closed for this generation.
I'm hoping the West, Palin, and Rand Paul types manage to hang around long enough to kick it open again.
Without being compromised by the beltway folks.
He is very misinformed about Islam and Muslims. He is also stupidly stupid about Israel. If not for these two black marks against the man, many would actually listen to the rest of his views and opinions. There's a lot of good stuff there but it all becomes irrelevant because of his foolish stance against Israel, and his ignorance about the dangers of Islam and Muslims.
Quite a lofty claim!
If I were President, they'd be alive, too.
What an idiotic thing to say.
That's the unfortunate bit about Ron Paul. His ideas on the Fed, what is and is not constitutional, civil liberties and non-interventionist foreign policy (certainly worth a debate) are pretty good. Except for this. The Arabs/Muslims don't even have to go to the recent foreign policy events, they can always cite the Crusades and the fact that we've never given them back Andalusia (ie, Spain - but look up a waqf or Islamic holy treasure and lands...theirs forever, amen) and gin up malcontents and the desperate to attack us. Of course that's in addition to supporting Israel. They've been riding on a high since the Soviets in Afghanistan and our foreign policy weaknesses (Bin Laden on Clinton) just add fuel to the fervor. I don't think we need bases in 140 countries, but pulling out of them isn't going to stop anything.
I have yet to see any credible accounting of where the number of bases comes from or precisely what is being used by the Paul camp to define a "base".
If Islam is the enemy, will someone please explain to me why (under Bushbama and soon Obamney) we are "building" them Islamic Theocracies?
Talk about appeasement!
You can't win a war you refuse to understand:
http://non-intervention.com/556/the-14th-anniversary-of-a-war-we-refuse-to-understand/
Because he wouldn't wage endless Islamic Theocracy-building wars like George W. Obamney?
Conservatives cheered non-intervention in '00:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9SOVzMV2bc
Conservative War on Christians
http://the-classic-liberal.com/conservative-war-christians/
"Where is the outrage?" There can't be any outrage. Conservative Pro-War Orthodoxy forbids it. Just ask the (supposedly) former-communist David Horowitz. War has no undesirable consequences. War gnosticism trumps Christianity. War is America!
There is nothing remotely "conservative" about war. War is pro-government, pro-despot, pro-collectivist, pro-revolutionary, pro-inflation, anti-society, and anti-Christian. Nation-building is pro-central planning and Utopian. Nation-building is the very definition of "to immanentize the eschaton."
Today, thanks to the blind support of a war that allowed American blood to be shed to build an Islamic State, Christians are being eradicated to make the Middle East wholly Islamic for the first time in history.
9/11 was the most epic failure of the USG that this country has ever seen. It's true that a Constitutional foreign policy would have prevented the blowback, but it's also true that if the fedgov wasn't so busy running every industry (into the ground), and attended to one of its few Constitutionally mandated duties, it never would have happened either. The dots were there just waiting for someone, anyone, in our massive national defense apparatus to connect them.
And now you Wilsonian progs on both sides of the aisle are asking for more. (See McChrystal's insurgent math.)
Go Team!
No, because he doesn't understand squat about foreign policy or national defense.
As a note on philosophy, "war" isn't particularly a part of any modern philosophy involving democratic processes, other than to those who simply agree that, if it's inevitable, it should be won. To everyone else in the upper echelons of the various state apparatuses, starting a war is merely a tactic. Usually, it's one that is beloved of totalitarian governments. You can claim what you want about it, but claiming it "isn't" something else is not actually an argument for anything.
And your claim of certainty over 911 never happening if your fantasies were realized, that is merely a circular argument.
(Implying we're Wilsonian is a bit of mendacity that you need to curb if you want to continue hanging out here.)
Regarding the video: I remember it well, and voted for it.
Regarding the article: The truth hurts.
Even if you disagree with him, everything Paul advocates is Constitutional. How does that make him a Communist Nazi?
When Ron Paul says things like this he's justifying the murder of 3000 people. It's our fault so surely we deserve it. No, I don't care what they think we deserve, killing 3000 civilians is just evil and there's no justification for that.
The thing we have to understand about radical Islam is we don't have to do anything for them to hate us, if your not a Muslim your an infidel and don't deserve to live. They may try to justify there hated for America, but the truth is they hate all non-Muslims "regardless" of foreign policy. For instance there's the 1994 plot to blow up airplanes in the Philippines. The 2002 Bali bombings. 2002 Moscow theater massacre. 2004 Khobar massacre. 2004 Madrid train bombings. 2008 Danish-embassy bombing. 2008 Islamabad Marriott Hotel bombing. And on and on. A top Al-Qaeda leader even called China an enemy of the Muslim world.
Yeah sure. That operation took five years to plan and carry out. His remarks show a total lack of understanding of the jihadist mindset. Nothing short of a bullet was going to stop Atta and his fellow hajis from carrying out their attack. And unless we get better people in government it will happen again. Ron Paul sure as hell isn't the solution. We already got enough idiots in office, we don't need any more.
I'm blown away at the hate for RP. I understand some of you disagree with him but to call him a nazi? Really? I guess people are forgetting what the number one issue is in the country right now and it isn't Islam. We have an economy that is still suffering beyond belief and RP has had excellent ideas on how to cure those problems. Do I agree completely with everything he says? No. I do however think he has a better grasp on how to fix the mess we are in than anyone else. I also like HONESTY. It is a rare attribute these days in politics and he has it. Look at his record. There is a reason he has been elected so many times. Get your heads out of your rectums and go back to smashing the real problem child in politics, Obama.
Oh, and yes, I would have voted for him. I believe in fiscal responsibility, transparent government, small government, staying out of other countries, ending wars we can't afford, auditing the fed/ending the fed, and fair taxes. Since I don't believe in "wasting" a vote I'll vote for Romney but I'll support Rand when he aims for office.
You're blown away by it ?
No surprise there, as the lion's share of his supporters seldom stop to realize they are their (and his) own worst enemy.
Why does Ron Paul continue to be reelected?
That's easy, due to the fact he, like every other career politician, brings home a extra large helping of pork.
Why the "Nazi" references?
Due to the fact of the known sympathies of some of those he surrounds himself with.
Most here have done more research on Ron Paul, his espoused policy positions, and those he chooses to surround himself with. The folks here are not the ones with their heads blindly up their own backsides.
Addendum: Rand had some promise, however it remains to be seen if he is his own man or just Ron redux.
He doesn't have a clue when it comes to foreign policy. Ron Paul and his followers seem to think that bringing our troops home and keeping them within our borders is going to keep us out of wars. it won't.
So what do you do, Nolan, when Iran closes off the strait of Hormuz? Do you leave them alone? Do you ask them "pretty please, open the gate?"
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