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I hope all of you idiots on here speaking how great a war with Iran would be are typing this out from your barracks in Afghanistan right now. Otherwise, you have no idea wtf a war of occupation is like. Our troops support Ron Paul. Are you telling me that all the men and women who believe in Ron Paul, the very ones fighting the wars you desire from the safety of your computer chair, are cowards and peace lovers? I'll bet most of them could kill you before you were able to blink.
I look forward to the days when the big government you love so much collapses in rubble because they had no money left to spend, no foreign governments willing to loan money to the US, and the people are too busy killing each other for food to make any money to tax. I'll enjoy looting everything you war mongers have ever worked for from your houses when you're killed for supporting the war that kills our country.
Meh, the US has been looking for trouble ever since it became the "police" of the world.
From the comments it seems like no one is in "the middle ground".
You're either extremely against him or extremely with him.
AZjimbo stares at the thing in his hands and yells CORN DOG!!! That's what I know..... *Jimbo swings more Whiskey* Reason is as reason does corn dog... mr Alky-hols says I can be a bully and nobody from The I-ran gets to be upset... not the I-Raq or the I-kay-duh ooor.... ... or CORN DOG!!! <--- that's how talking to these people about Ron Paul is like.
People love Ron because they can no longer ignore the truth. Some try to ignore reality, but they can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality forever.
This coming from a person who thinks 2+2 = corn dog. Sorry you're just dumb, a drunk,a burnt out crack head or a religious freak wanting to invent that hating the constitution, freedom and Ron Paul are a commandment from god.... CORN DOG!!! <--- now that part made sense to you didn't it.
you sound like me before I got my head out of my ass and paid attention to the details I was ignoring for religious and normalcy bias reasons. You'll come around when you get over yourself.
By difficult to swallow you mean you dont want to accept that you cant be a bully to the world and our leaders are not angels??? You just dont like the guy telling a drunk like you to put the fucken whiskey bottle down. SOBER UP!!!
I wrote in Ron Paul because I wont vote for anyone who is against the constitution, hates freedom... is is generally as arrogantly stuck on stupid as about half the posters on this page.
Problem is that when they attack us or Ron Paul they attack the Constitution, what made America great itself.... and defy any sane conclusions with aggressive pride and normalcy bias. I'm seeing a dozen or so people here with an unwillingness to even watch a clip that would require they NOT IGNORE WHAT IS and they instead go rambling angry like 51-50 cases who think they know history. North Korea has history teachers who would look at these arrogant asses and go... maybe some day i can be that arrogant and clueless. Ron Paul is so simply correct that it takes a special kind of editing and filtering that it's hard to even have a conversation with these fools.
I believe it says in the BIBLE that Israel marched out of Egypt across the Jordan river and into the land that God had provided. A land flowing with milk and honey. All they had to do was kill all the inhabitants in the land ie. . Maybe that is why Israel is hated, not sure. Better read the book of Joshua again to be sure.
Please show me where to find the statement that ron Paul would do nothing about Iran or anyone else that threatens the U.S. I believe he said "you go to war with a declaration of war and you fight it, WIN it, and get it over with. How does that equate to doing nothing? It all boils down to this. Is Iran foolish enough to destroy themselves in the process of ridding the world of non Islamics? Do they want to die that bad? If that were the case it would have already happened. Either we wipe them off the face of the earth before they can do it to us AND themselves, or we try diplomacy. Those my friend are the only 2 options.
I generally agree with Mark Levin, but when he said last night that, if he could, and assuming it would be successful, he would launch an attack on Iran and take out their nuclear weapons program, he officially became a full fledged whacko! For someone who swears allegience to the constitution, Mark has gone in the opposite direction. Only a dictator could unilaterally bomb another country against whom we have not declared war. We didn't bomb the Russians and we didn't bomb Cuba, even when there were missiles pointed at us, or under construction. But now we need to bomb Iran? Come down off the ledge, Mark. Continuous wars have ruined our economy, and threaten our liberty, here and abroad. Stop the madness.
Man, he makes so much sense on domestic policy then .... off the friggin' edge on foreign policy. Why doesn't he just put on a aluminum foil hat and call it a day?
The overwhelming majority of campaign contributions from active duty military personnel go to Ron Paul. What do you know that they don't?
Want to know why Iran was radicalized and hates America? Ever hear of Operation Ajax? Look it up. In 1953 the democratically elected Iranian prime minister Mosaddegh was removed from power in a coup organised and carried out by the United States CIA at the request of the British MI6. Why did they do that? Because the British were against Mosaddegh attempting to nationalize their oil industry. Guess who they put in his place? The Shah. The Shah then had a 20 year rein of terror and brutalized the Iranian people leading to the rise of fundamentalist Islam and Ayatollah Khomeini. (Does this sound vaguely familiar? It is, because it's exactly what we did in Egypt by backing dictator Mubarrek and now the Islamic Brotherhood is taking over). After Iran was radicalized you know who we covertly supported in a war with them? Yes, Saddam Hussein. We all know how that turned out. 2 TRILLION dollars later. Are any of these facts in dispute? I welcome the challenge.
US foreign policy has been schizophrenic in the Middle East for 50 years and it's time to stop taking one step forward and two steps backwards. Can we all agree it's never in US interests to financially back a dictator? Can we all agree there is such a thing as blowback? Can we all agree with Reagan who said his biggest mistake was putting troops in Lebanon and not realizing the insanity of Middle East politics?
Glenn Beck addresses this with a caller, Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011: http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/12/13/ron-paul-over-newt-gingrich/
he maybe wellread in medicine, or well read on the FED but, call it what you will....how about ignorant, blind, misinformed, unenlightened, uninformed, dense, cretinous....you choose because but in regards Ron Paul's foreign policy they all apply.
I didn't make stuff up lol, I live in Israel Dagan has made dozens of interviews and as many statements, what I wrote is his view. You can google it if you'd like.
And RE Israel's borders, Obama is the only candidate who seems to think that, the rest have been great on Israel issues.. Save for Ron Paul.
Here is talking to Iranian TV News / PressTV..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17dFsK8DSSE
Our enemy, who arms the terrorists trying to kill us, and telling them we are creating a 'Concentration Camp' in Gaza, and that his personal opinion where he thinks Israel is 'Ripping Off the Palestinians' is academic so not important, but that the US Israel relationship should be ended, changing US policy.
No matter how much you want to twist things around, it is abundantly clear Ron Paul supports the Palestinians, does not like Israel, has voted that way for 30 years now including votes for Hamas, votes with Hezbollah, votes siding with Iran. Iran incidentally is working on ICBMS that will be ready according to the Pentagon in 2015, the same year the USA estimates approx Iran will finish its nuclear weapons program. But nothing to worry about, since they are not a threat, despite you know chanting "Death to America" every single Friday, in every single state sanctioned Mosque - Weekly sermons btw which are prepared by the State, and read in all mosques.
so you think we should keep heading down the road we are on? endless wars and occupations on foreign soil? Seems crazy to me.
WWI was pretty much a stalemate before we got involved... us getting involved gave the allies a victory. After the war we (along with other nations) placed ridiculous sanctions on Germany which created an environment for Hitler to rise to power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I8NhRPo0WAo
What you just said is indeed true. However let it be known that the U.S. did not want it that way but France insisted and Great Britain went along with it. Did the Treaty of Versailles lead to WW II.....in a lot of ways....you bet it did.
One thing you can give credit for (and possibly blame him for at the same time) was that Woodrow Wilson wanted much more leniency for German reparations. Unfortunately, he scuttled actual chances at peace because of his overreaching progressive ideology, since no sane Republican or Democrat would approve his treaties which basically signed away American sovereignty.
I have one thing to say about all the comments below: they're mostly HORSE-HOCKEY! Ron Paul 2012, bitches.
Nevermind their actions were a response to the CIA overthrowing their democratically elected govt. I wonder what you would do if the Chinese overthrew our democratically elected govt. Would you be a terrorist fighting their oppression? Probably not. You would love it and kiss the feet of your Chinese masters.
What happened to the people who aided the Nazis during WW2 again?
Apparently you are unable to distinguish the difference between govt policy and a people.
By your logic the American people are responsible for the Govt murdering the people of the Branch Dividians by the Clinton Administration. You are a terrorist. Prepare yourself for indefinate detention as passed yesterday by the Congress.
The financial burden placed on Germany after WW1 were so severe that their economy could never recover thus her people were doomed to poverty. This led to the hyperinflation of the Weirmar Republic which eventually led to national discontent due to the people being unable to pay for basic necessities. I suppose you have never seen the pics of the people rolling wheelbarrows full of marks to the grocery store for bread. Anyways, this discontent is what Hitler and the Nazi Party tapped into to get elected. After they were elected they took over the institutions of Germany by stealth and force. The rest as they say is history.
I think you assumption is wrong. Ron Paul's naivety and dangerous foreign policy will have a dramatic effect on the economics of the USA. It will greatly effect the value of the dollar, exports, the ability to trade, businesses that have international operations, tourism, and many more international economic factors..
Ron Paul's idea that ''Iran is acting in a “rational manner” by threatening to disrupt the world oil supply'' is a prime example of a man that is not intune with the 21st Century. Electing Ron Paul will just create another ''Guns of August'' situation. That will lead to war....
It is funny you referenced Hermann Goering....Why don't you go and ask Neville Chamberlain how ''peace in our time'' worked out??
Ron Paul is a bumbling old fool when it comes to foreign policy and USA presence on the world stage. At his best he is naive, bordering on neglect, at worse he is dangerous and will be the root cause of the next world war because of his isolationistic views.
"There are many nations that do not live in a perpetual state of war"
True, thanks to the United States of America keeping the world in check.
Fellow clowns of course. The people of the USA are easily brainwashed into believing what they want to believe. Wouldn't is be nice if all we had to do was put up a privacy fence and ignore the rest of the world? Wake up stupid Paul supporters!
This is why he can't and won't be president. This Iran has been jerking off America since 1978 and has never paid a price for that hostage crisis alone, not to mention the soldiers their proxies have murdered in Iraq and Afghanistan, along with Hezbollah in Gaza launching rockets into Israel for decades, and if he thinks WE"RE the provocateurs he's going senile, mad or both...... and this is the third time recently he's said something this dumb, once in the debates.
And frankly at his age it wouldn't be a shock if he was. He's just another political lifer, he's been in office as long as anyone in DC. If he's not an insider who is? So he's been there for 30 years standing in the corner the whole time huh? yea right.
I said yesterday I don't know if Paul is the answer. But can anyone one of you who supported Bush and now support the current field of NEOCON's ell me how they've helped our country??
Also why does everyone have to try to discredit Paul by calling him a Nut Job? His views are different. No more no less.
I'm not a paul bot either. I just want our country to have the best man or women lead it. Not sure that it's Paul. But i can tell you it's not Newt or the others that are being pushed out by the republican machine
What kind of a leader claims to promote srength by always blaming itself for the problems around the world? OK so say the USA pulls all of our forces back from around the globe, would that make us and our allies more secure? Who will keep North Korea in check? China? Russia? and on and on. Ron Paul's biggest flaw is his blame the USA first mantra. This is why he will NEVER be elected POTUS. "We had it coming" on 9-11-01, what a coward and a jerk.
That is an easy one....they all run to the USA and scream help us.
Why don't you go and ask Neville Chamberlain how ''peace in our time'' worked out??
Obviously not because anyone that reads history should understand the terrorists will NOT leave the USA alone. Terrorists will view the kinds of withdrawal that Ron Paul's is calling for as weakness and that will empower them to attack the USA homeland. Any one that reads history can see that.
You also do not grasp that because the US has over the past 100 years has taken the positions it has there is no way they can shrink from their obligations on the world stage. To become isolationists now would put USA interested in great jeapardy not to mention its citizens and the world in general. You cannot just say...sorry about the past 100 years...we will go home and leave you alone now... That is NAIVE!
You are sort of correct.
We do need to try something different. It's a concept I like to call "Victory."
You left out the part about 'far' being in the context of an imminent strike to stop them, when he said far he means 1-3 years.
That doesn't seem so far when it is put in the proper frame/context.
I think folks can relax a bit on that point. Paul has obviously attracted a ton of disenfranchised liberals. The ones who are still into free love and drugs, but who still felt mugged by reality on 9-11.
They still reflexively hate "Conservatives", so they jump onto a different bandwagon that also hates Conservatives.
They voted for Obama in 2008.
We don't need them to win in 2012.
That's not what Meir Dagan, former head of the Mossad said, but what's a little accuracy and truth to an RP supporter worth, not much. The entire western world is convinced Iran is dev. nuclear weapons, you must be living in a tin can somewhere. Only Ron Paul and fellow Iranian apologists I guess are 'credible' on Iran, what a joke.
No stopping them, no sanctions, you are basically arguing to give Iran nuclear weapons.. THEN state they are also not a threat. It's amazing that RP supporters cannot see how utterly nuts they sound.
Of course the economy is top priority in the USA, that's the top domestic priority.. But foreign policy doesn't exist for isolationists, so I can't blame you for getting those 2 confused.
This man is certifiable. The fact that he's doing so well in Iowa should demonstrate how ill informed the American voter truly is. The other candidates should call this guy out in tonight's debate. Just point out how delusional and dangerous his policies are. Bachmann, Santorum, even Romney need to call this guy an extremist who will wreak havoc in the world if he becomes POTUS. Even Glenn Beck had to turn his back on Ron Paul last night when Ziegler reminded him of Paul's desire to legalize heroin.
The MSM loves Ron Paul because he trashes the GOP and is crazy enough to run as a third party candidate.
LOL!!!
Ron Paul 2012 because hiding your head in the sand isn't just for ostriches anymore.
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