Why do they keep saying 12 mil. It's probably 50 mil. by now. It was around 40 mil. when I was back in CONUS in 2008.
One thing is for certain: if Republicans don't accept Rubio's plan, then our party and America with it is doomed.
Baloney. If that were the case then they would be voting en masse for Republicans since the amnesty of 1986. Reality is they like their freebies. Manhattan Institute did an in depth study that shows why they vote Democrat, and it's the same reason most vote Democrat, FREE STUFF AT THE TAXPAYERS EXPENSE.
Reagan's amnesty was a mistake. However, Rubio's plan is completely different.
Moreover, blocking someone from entering the country based on how you think they will vote is not right at all. That's exactly how Democrats think Republicans think about Hispanics. We do not need to prove them right.
I fail to understand why you don't understand. If it isn't in writing then it can be changed, modified, denied and just plain manipulated and even then it will still have all of those things done to it. What is so hard to understand about that?
And if it isn't in writing, legally and politically speaking, it doesn't exist. Rubio is espousing hot air until it is down in writing and he is willing to stand by it...AND UNTIL THEN HE WILL NOT GET MY SUPPORT.
Okay, then I was wrong about you not watching the video. But I fail to understand why you need more information about his plan since you watched it before I did.
Assume what ever you like. I could care less about your assumptions as they have absolutely zero effect on me.
If it isn't in writing, especially concerning politicians, it doesn't exist and you are a lemming.
You are ridiculous and naive.
P.S. I also watched the video as it happened since I watched O'Reilly that night as well. so go ahead and make assumptions and by all means deflect because that is all you have.
Yes. There aren't any details to it. You proved my point for me. You are blindly following like a lemming without any direction or details to the plan.
And if Rubio is out touting a plan that he hasn't published or put on paper yet then that is a real problem.
I searched and I cannot find a better explanation of Rubio's plan than the plan in his own words, as explained in the video in the article above! Did you even watch it?
Once again you post something that is devoid of what you originally posted. Furthermore a couple of days ago you were going to go and get Rubio's plan in detail for all of us to see. WHERE IS IT?
Yeah that's what I thought. You are another low information voter endorsing something, out touting it, and pushing it without ever having read it. You in reality have no idea what Rubio's plan is in detail.
You are either half out of your mind and can't remember what you post from one minute to the next or you are an ignorant shill. Either way you are a waste of my time and a moron. What you are doing here is actually hurting Rubio and not helping.
And if Rubio thinks people are just going to blindly follow him and his plan then he is an opportunistic flim flam man which is what I have suspected of him all along. Time will tell for certain on that score. We shall see.
What does learning English have to do with logical fallacies?
I'm not talking about cementing the Hispanic vote for Republicans at all. Do you seriously think that Hispanics should be played like pawns in this way? That's exactly how the Democrats treat them and it's ridiculous. Immigration reform should be about what is right, not about what is politically advantageous.
Rubio's plan has NOTHING to do with amnesty. It has to do with merit-based paths to citizenship. That is all.
Oh and here is a P.S.
If bribing Hispanics with amnesty is the only way to win elections for either party then i submit the complete and total collapse of America is inevitable and imminent.
So let's get on with it because no country can survive the break down of society that comes with immorality. and you did nothing but post touchy feely nonsensical immoral BS to me. If America has truly indeed gotten just that dumb then there should no longer be an America. It doesn't deserve to exist.
Luckily you are the normative yet or the majority, but if the country stays on the path it is on you will be...THEN IT'S OVER.
It was good while it lasted.
Is English your second language? Because if it is, or even if it isn't, perhaps you should learn comprehension and not posit logical fallacies as intellect.
By your own logic and post if we were going to lose or win the Hispanic vote forever due support/or no support for any amnesty plan, THEN THE AMNESTY REAGAN DID, BE IT RIGHT OR WRONG, WOULD HAVE CEMENTED THE REPUBLICAN VOTE FOREVER WHICH IT NEVER DID.
And I don't give two sh**ts what you think is right or wrong, moral or immoral, because it is apparent you lack logic. And if letting Hispanics not enter a country due to voting habits, which I never ever said or implied what so ever, is immoral, THEN IT IS JUST AS IMMORAL AND MAYBE MORE SO TO BLACKMAIL A COUNTRY FOR THEIR VOTES WITH AMNESTY.
Perhaps you should quit talking because you are hurting your cause more than helping. I haven't seen one thing you have posted that is even remotely intelligent or has a grasp in right , wrong, and reality.
Now I suggest you go to the Manhattan Institute website, read the study if you can grasp English and comprehend it, and you just might learn something.
In the mean time stop bothering me with blatant stupidity.
Why do I suspect that either you are here illegally or a close family member is? I believe we should bus all illegals, regardless of where they are from, across the mexican border and line that border with ARMED military.
We should also have a reciprocal illegal immigrant policy as Mexico. Go google how mexico handles illegals who cross over their southern border, maroon.
I was born legally in America, as was every single one of my family members. Why do you feel the need to put me in a box?
I think instead of lining the border (a very dangerous and perilous task) we should allow the federal government to detain non-citizens for violent crimes. Shipping them across the border constantly is ridiculous.
I know, but it makes the baby a citizen. I think both parents should have to be citizens in order to have their child born a citizen.
You have some strong words for pregnant women. No wonder Republicans are losing the messaging battle.
Stopping them from crossing in the first place is the ONLY anwer. Did you know that there are ZERO public hospitals in southern Cali or Arizona? Do you know why? Dead beat, @$$ed illegals. That's why and by the way, Having a child in the USA does not give them citizenship if both parents are illegals. That has been the assumption and it is not written as a law, anywhere. Illegal is illegal, period. That pregnant woman should be forced into labor to pay her medical bills then escorted with her child with great care straight home to HER home in mexico.
Bush's boy...helping to get a constituency for George P. Amnesty for 12...really 20 mil or more is the death warrant.
JUST SAY H*LL NO! I want 12m ICE agents.
Yo Rube...ALL illegals have committed a crime the second they snuck in. You give them legal status and more will just keep coming.
A reasonable and well thought out plan. Anyone of our other "loyal" public servants come up with anything comparable? No, just bash illegals and what we should do yet nothing gets done and illegals keep pouring over our borders.
Bill O'Reilly is an A**. It's a wonder how any of his guests can make a point as much as he interrupts them.
OK, he lost me at the 1:06 mark when he referred to illegal immigrants as "undocumented". That is SO telling!!!!
Roooobio, I'm DONE with you!
Oh, I'm an immigrant btw. A LEGAL one.
And then, I hate to admit it, there's the political pragmatism of the plan, which is if you deport all illegal aliens, guess what demographic vote you won't get in the next election?
You won't get the illegal alien vote that's what!
How can you call yourself a conservative if you want to put people into groups?? How insulting to the hispanics that immigrated here legally and are against this. I have met a number of people who immigrated here LEGALLY from Mexican and are outraged at this invasion. It is such an insult to them. How dare any conservative clump people into groups and think they all think alike?
We should never cower to invaders in the hopes they will vote for us. They vote for Marxism...not freedom and not liberty.
I'm not interested in selling my country out in the hopes of getting the invader's vote. They aren't supposed to be voting anyway.
Again, kfp, I reiterate, it's not viable to deport all illegal aliens. I also don't think it's wise to deport all illegal aliens. The repercusions of which would be, in and of themselves, disasterous. I just think your approach which, in theory is noteworthy, is not "doable". We need to come up with something that has real solutions and will work. Heaven knows Obama wants full amnesty and that is a disaster, I think we can both agree on that!
Friend, I think you misunderstand me. First off, I am not saying I want to clump anybody into groups. I was just thinking from a politically pragmatic position (and every party does it!) that latino-american citizens would not look highly on hispanic illegal aliens being deported. This would be an obvious result. Secondly, I am not in any way suggesting selling our country out?! I'm not sure where you read that into my post? Anyway I am a true conservative. Many here will vouch for me. I am pro-Constitution, pro-military, anti-government spending, socially conservative on all fronts, pro-family and most of al pro-life! I think this makes me a conservative, no?
whether that is their real intent is not the point. We have 11 million illegal aliens here and we have to do something about it. Businesses are using them for cheap labor and E verify is a friggin' joke. Legal citizens can't get a job because businesses are hiring illegals.
Yes, we have to do something about it...deport.
Make them legal and employers will look for a new crop of illegals. They hire them because they are illegal and they pay them less.
Remember, many that are working in construction and landscaping are in gangs by night...or the Mexican drug cartel. Why do you want to legalize that? And don' tell me we'll do a background check. How?? They have fake documents out the wazoo.
NEVER reward lawbreaking. It is nonsense to say we have to do something about it and that something is rewarding the crime!!
What about all the rapist and murderers on the loose? We have to do something and since we will never be able to find and arrest them all...we should just forgive them their crime and presto....no more rapists and murderers because we forgave them their crime. We'll just ask them to come forward and get fingerprinted and pay taxes!!
I understand your point, but I was not alluding to any specific intent on Rubio's part, I was just making an observation. I do agree with what you say though.
I like Rubio's plan. It makes sense to me. Anyone that thinks they are going to round up all illegal aliens adults and children and deport them is not facing reality. The two things I like the most about Rubio's plan is it's viablilty and it's mercifulness!
And anyone who thinks we can do background checks in not facing reality. Aggressively deport and many will leave on their own. The goal is to greatly reduce thei numbers. No one is saying we will get rid of every single one.
But the State and Federal agencies could organize such an immigration priority today under existing laws. So, why don't they? Why is Rubio not making that case?
New laws mean more government. More Government means more power, more taxes, more money for politicians.
Because Rubio has no intention of doing anything. He puts his Spanish surname ahead of being an American.
I will say this sDee, i think it may be a logistics nightmare to give them drivers licenses when that is one of the "ID's" used for voting. I think a special drivers license would need to be issued for, dare I say it, segregation purposes. Rubios plan is not without it's crticism, but it's the best plan I've heard so far, so it's a start. And like wolfie said, secure the borders would be priority one. Something needs to be done ASAP on this issue - it's a mess!
Agreed, but there is no cohesive attempt to bring those existing laws together. Rubio's plan could at least be put on the table, so to speak.