The Right Scoop
Can someone be genuine and sincere about fixing a problem while setting themselves up for a presidential run in 2016? Normally I’d say ‘no’ given the opportunistic and power-hungry crowd we have in DC. But call me idealistic if you want – I think Rubio can be that guy.
NONE of the illegal aliens are going to vote for the GOP. Some Hispanics will, but the ones our elites pander to are never gonna reward the Republicans.
Erick Erickson: I Don’t Like Marco Rubio’s Plan
http://www.redstate.com/2013/01/29/i-dont-like-marco-rubios-plan/
Chuck Schumer is involved in this, people. The Democrats are framing the argument and the silly Republicans are falling for it. There are an abundance of burning issues right now. The plan is no different than what has been spoken about and tried for the last 30 years. So it is just a distraction. Middle class Americans are not losing sleep over immigration. They are concerned about taxes, economy, healthcare laws impact on small businesses and even the 2nd.
Right Scoop I think your observation is a good one but the trouble is Marco Rubio is playing with an outdated playbook.
I could care less what Rubio wants in running for President. He can shove it!
Why is it 4 years worth of this bs while our jobs, economy & other more important issues ignored?
So I guess Rubio's plan now is to come out against Obama's amnesty without borders. No one will hear him above the fray of the media and the Democrats. Idiot.
If this guy, in his avarice to become President, opens our country to full-scale invasion, he will have demonstrated again the wisdom our Founders. They sought and got consent of the governed that no one born to foreigners should be eligible to be President, as that might decrease their care for Americans.
Rubio is throwing American sovereignty on the table like some kind of poker chip in his game with a guy who has all the cards. Neither have consent of the governed to even play.
We all saw the damage Christie's preening did to Romney just weeks ago. Now Rubio is doing the same thing on a different topic were supposed to be so proud?
BS. Rubio's plan has ZERO chance of going anywhere, and feigning support for a faux-plan, backed by John McShame, that your Party would actually like to have implemented but cannot do at this time or the next 4 years is not helpful. It's patronizing as H3ll and I'm sick of it.
RS, I'm glad you are bucking the trend and providing a dissenting opinion without descending into RINO land.
However, I hope that everything you are writing about or forecasting comes to fruition. I would love Rubio to "outDemocrat" the Democrats on identity politics, and kudos for him for trying.
Alas, the cynic in me doesn't see it playing out that way. If it does, that's great.
The elephants always lose, even if they win, because the media controls the narrative.
The truth in the shape of sophisticated counter-propaganda based is alll that will stop the the mortal bleeding. Then, an offense based on the principles of limited government.
The marxists, in the form of America Progressives, took over the Democratic Party long ago. They are playing a one hundred year game of chess. The elephants, checkers.
Our only option now is to change the game while we still have the Constitutional freedoms to do so.
That's why I'm skeptical of trying to "outmaneuver" them using their tactics. It's usually doomed for failure precisely b/c of their control of the narrative.
I also don't think running a "Latino" or whatever fill in the blank will allow us to have the positive press so many people are banking on. It's playing chess according to their rules.
If he could not get hispanics in Florida to give him the majority of their votes, then how is he going to do that nationally?
....and that my friend is why the Republicans continue to fail. Any illegal granted amnesty will in the future vote for entitlements. And unless the Republicans intend to hand out goodies in the manner the Democrat party is famous for, they are DOA. Leaves them in a pretty sick spot after they've lost our vote pandering to illegals... the illegal will vote left and the base will stay home or vote 3rd party.
As someone who has been a lifelong, faithful Republican voter, I hate to say it, but I am beginning to think that there is not going to be a need for a third party. A party of conservatives will rise as the second party to replace the Republicans after they commit suicide.
Much like the Whig party was replaced by the Republican party, and within 4-6 years of creation, they had a man in the White House (Lincoln).
It may not appear naive now, but in hindsight, Reagan was naive to allow amnesty for a couple of million without actually securing the border first (granted he was lied to). That subsequently turned into 11 million (or more, depending on who you talk to). If we don't secure the border first, that 11 million will turn into 60 million (or more) until the voting ranks are completely controlled by the Dems and their illegals turned Democrat.
I don't want a candidate that "sounds and feels good". I want one that actually does good.
Sure looks to me like the Republican party is setting up yet another RINO for us to say "Okay, one more time. But this is the last time, alright".
....and wasn't amnesty given another "one time shot" in 1986 then tried again in 2006 - 2007? Here we are again with the same tired out excuses!
I do believe Rubio is sincere and wants border security first. I just think we've made the mistake, again, of letting the democrats define the problem and answer.
The problem is security and the goodies luring folks here. The dems screaming we want to deport everyone is a ruse too. Deport of course the ones committing crimes. Then, stop giving welfare, jobs, etc., to illegals and I believe they'll self-deport. But, and it's a big one, right now we can't count on dems to do any of this! Americans have been burned on this security promise before. I wish Rubio luck and hope he can do this, but I'm not holding my breath.
It is not just the democrats who we, the people, have let "define the problem and the answer", it is the republicans as well.
They all use the same Progressive catch phrase "immigratoin reform" instead of "immigration enforcement" or "defending our sovereignty".
thanks stage9. We always let the left define the words....
"OMG - you're against Immigration Reform!? Immigration is good. Reform is good, so you are clearly an anti-America bigot"
"Oh no no never! I am a strong believer in defending America's sovereignty. That is our strength. But strong immigration law is only a small piece of that equation. Wouldn't you agree?"
:)
@RightScoop... if I am understanding your article correctly, that you desire a Rubio pres run, you've lost me as a daily reader. As a natural born citizen, and as a member of a native tribe, the nbc clause for presidency is important to me for obvious reasons. Anyone or any media outlet that supports the circumvention of our Constitutional process of law will do so with me as their enemy. I do hope that you reconsider your position... Rubio is as un-eligible to president as Obama is. And by the way, in case you've been asleep at the wheel, Rubio has been shed from Tea Party support, outed as a RINO.
Newt says it best here: "I don't trust anybody in either party when they go into secret meetings" http://washingtonexaminer.com/gingrich-dont-trust-rubio-mccain-on-immigration/article/2520061
Btw... Newt had the most concise and reasonable immigration plan. Contact and demand your congressmen and senators use it to model common sense reform: http://www.newt.org/solutions/immigration/
The elaborate well coordinated smokescreens to deflect, obscure and marginalize the Article 2, Section 1 eligibility issues with McCain, Obama, Jindal and Rubio started emerging in 2007. It came from both parties, all the conservative pundits, and the media.
That to me has been the litmus test. The corruption and collusion runs deep.
Exactly: This article and follow up research on the issue makes a reasonable thinking individual conclude that the reason the Republicans in the House have ignored Obama's eligibility is because they are just as guilty of constitutional malfeasance.
In the decade leading up to Obama's crowning, there were eight proposals to hit the House floor attempting to redefine 'natural born citizen'. These were proposed by Republicans and Democrats alike and they all failed... the failures made 'Birthers' out of millions of us.
I think he’s really OK with a path to citizenship as long as we never have to do it again, which means really and truly securing the border. He’s been pretty clear. Rinse and repeat. 1986 all over again, we were told the very same things, we'll seal the border, it will never happen again. Given the same percentages, in 28 years there will be over 100 million illegals and America will do it again.
Doing the same thing over and expecting different results!
Running for potus promising those that have violated our borders, the sanctity of our security will cost the reps not just the potus but the senate and the house because the base will simply not vote.
"But remember, he knows this isn’t something that will happen until we win back the Senate and the White House."
Mornin' Scoop. I know, I'm just saying the Americans were given this line of bull in 1986 and look at how that didn't work out for taxpayers. Repubs will not win Senate in 2014 if he and Paul keep up this illegal amnesty talk, especially with 23 million American unemployed and food stamp recipients growing at a faster rate than the national debt.
@rightscoop There is a great point made in this WND article I've linked... The GOP fights to keep 'em here, then what happens once entitlement cut proposals hit the floor. You think they'll vote Republican?
Dane (from the article) is right, "they'll import themselves right out of office, b/c the overwhelming majority of illegals are govt-dependent".
Do you really think that the Republicans can pick up votes among those they grant amnesty to? Was it not you than just published an article in which Mark Levin explained how history has proven that Republicans have never won a majority vote among illegals granted amnesty? Not even Reagan in his second run after he issued a blanket amnesty.
The Republican party cannot do enough to win the illegal votes without insulting the base enough to lose theirs.
http://www.wnd. com/2013/01/amnesty-still-amnesty-even-if-its-from-gop/
Yup - crafty tactical politics. Kick the can down the road. Win a game at the price of truth, principle, integrity and our sovereignty... the loss of those is the long term strategic game the Progressives always win.
A good game of checkers.
Any amnesty for illegals is a reward for breaking the law in America. Is that all we are anymore. A place that rewards failure?? There is no longer such a thing as an honest politician. Rubio's short time in the political limelight has already tarnished him. Give it 10 years and America will be a third world country.
Like Obama - Rubio's father was not an American Citizen at the time of his birth - so he is NOT QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT.
NEITHER of Obama's fathers, his alleged biological nor his adoptive father were EVER US CITIZENS.
Some say it is not certain whether Romney's father was a US citizen at the time of his birth.
Even so, Rubio is a Romney Bush sort of politician.
Rubio is not a Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Tea Party Constitutional Conservative.
This article and follow up research on the issue makes a reasonable thinking individual conclude that the reason the Republicans in the House have ignored Obama's eligibility is because they are just as guilty of constitutional malfeasance.
In the decade leading up to Obama's crowning, there were eight proposals to hit the House floor attempting to redefine 'natural born citizen'. These were proposed by Republicans and Democrats alike and they all failed... the failures made 'Birthers' out of millions of us.
Scoop; I'm with you!
Surprised; NO! I knew Marco was a political opportunist and Rand Paul is not far behind him. Last year I supported Rick Perry and yesterday I read he's giving money back to the citizens of Texas; that's a good thing but is it just because he wants to run again in 2016?
Am I being too cynical????? Not sure, but with what's been going on is there any other way to think?
Perry's bad news. He's trying to get that trans corridor highway going again...and that white washed version of Islam he allowed into Texas schools....
They are all opportunists and have to play a dirty game in tanks of sharks, to win.
But they have crossed a line now. Their dangerous games have escalted and devolved so much that they have eliminated the Balance of Powers, created a rigged Judicial, concentrated their power in the Executive Branch, sold their souls to globalist funders, and see the Constitution as little more than a paper towel to wipe the filth from their hands.
For example here, they have turned colonization of America by 12 million foreigners into a political board game skirmish, while American citizens pay a dear and permanent price.
F'em all, the SOBs.
I also think he wants to win back the Latino vote from the Democrats, especially considering he will be labeled the Latino candidate by the media
The Bush's barely pulled that off with Reagan's 1986 Amnesty votes. Now it is absolutely impossible because the Progressives have ensured the 12 million here now are subversive, marxists, islamists and all sorts of entitlement voters.
If Rubio and the Bushes actually believe these subversive illegal colonists will vote Republican, they are absolute fools. These 12 million will vote 80% Democratic. They may vote for Rubio if he got them Amnesty.... but after that, all Democrats, all the time. Delusional fools.
The media controls the narrative
Rubio will be labeled the Latino candidate by the media just like Sarah Palin was labeled the woman candidate and Allen West labelled the black candidate.
Liberals have taught the lemming voters in this country to hate America and bleed her dry of all her resources. And liberals have convinced them that they will give the voter anything they want if they would just vote for them.
From the perspective of a parasite, that's akin to winning the lottery!
But I truly believe Rubio really wants to solve the immigration problem and get America on the right path and he can’t do that unless he wins.
You cannot solve a problem by ignoring its root cause. 12 million foreigners occupying our soil wiht the grace of the government, is not an an immigration problem, it is a political corruption problem.
When America needs the hard cold ugly truth that our government intentionally created this "problem" we get more of the same political deception that created it. Rubio has proven he is part of the problem. Just like Bush2 who kept the borders open, prosecuted border agents, ignored immigration law enforcement and also proposed "immigration reform" legislation.
Nice headshot TRS
Big surprise? He is sincere alright. We all know immigration is a problem caused by those who want to usurp the power to solve it. And Rubio leads the charge.
Now do we all see why the Republican establishment won't expose Hussein? Rubio is yet another politician who cares more about his next election more than the complete and utter destruction od the Constitution by a lawless marxist government. America's greatest decline is just a "convenient crisis" being used to to wrestle power away from those who created it.
Michael Reagan tried to tell us the 2012 election was a fraud - Mitt Romney's advisers are not looking to a 2012 paycheck, but are looking toward their 2016 paycheck
Now do we see how the Bush cabal set things up for the installation of Hussein?
Do we see why the Republican machine targeted, chewed up and spit out Palin and West.
Do we now see why we got the birth certificate smoke screen to hide Obama's self-exposed ineligibility under Article 2 Section 1? And why no Republican politicians or pundits would touch it? Why the Supreme Court would not hear it? ....Rubio too is ineligible under Article 2 Section 1 - neither of his parents were US citizens when he was born. The Republicans intentionally remained silent on the one issue that could have lead to immediate impeachment of an anti-American marxist - just to protect their chosen one
Need anymore proof that these men think the Constitution is just a "g'ddamn piece of paper"?
America is run by two corrupt powers R and D.
Meet the pretty face who the cabal has chosen to ascend to the throne so well buttressed by Barack Hussein Obama.
Will we now swallow this and become slaves under the Red King, or wake up, or, expose them for what they are, defend the Constitution and become free men?
so obvious .. Rino 100% his only life line for good is in Sarah Palins pocket .. will see ..
I don't think Rubio is running for POTUS. I think that right now, he is a proxy for Jeb Bush and he is running for VP on a Bush ticket. I think this is being carefully orchestrated. The Bushes desperately want Jeb Bush in the White House, but they know that the name Bush is still poison. Over the next two years, they will work hard to rehabilitate the name. Rubio will somehow bow out of the mix for POTUS2016 and the GOPe will push Jebbie on us. You just watch.
Why does everyone think Jeb Bush is desperate, and frantic for a Presidential run and the White House? I haven't seen him do anything to show that? He’s done very little on the National stage since he left the Governors office.
I have to admit your predictions about the 2012 election and Romney not fighting was correct, but I just cannot foresee Jeb Bush “wanting it” much.
Jeb Bush has no chance of beating the democrats. The media would love the see him be the repub nominee. IMO
That's not the point. Don't you think that the Bush family and much of the GOPe aren't already convinced that Jebbie can beat whoever the Dems nominate? You know it and I know it, but the Bushes and the GOPe don't give a damn what we think.
Bingo! Nice to see that somebody gets it.
The family also expects him to act as place holder after Jeb for the next Bush generation.
It's time for us to draw a line in the sand and tell Jeb that the Age of Bush is over instead of Jeb throwing in our face constantly that the Age of Reagan is over.
We are very organized in Florida and between the progressives and us neither Jeb nor Rubio will win Florida (politics makes strange bedfellows) no matter how much disinformation and propaganda the Bush crime family puts out there. We learned plenty of lessons in the last Florida primary.
The first step in taking this country back is beating back the corrupt Bush crime family who never were on our side.
Its very hard to relate to your comment when you arent willing to keep your "name" attached to it.
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