Just to be clear, most of this last minute rule changing and maneuvering was done to keep Ron Paul from being formally nominated at this convention. The Maine delegates that Malkin refers to above, that were replaced with approved Romney delegates, were Ron Paul delegates. He had legitimately won 21 of 24 including Governor LePage.
Ron Paul had legitimately secured a plurality of delegates in more than five states, and RNC rules had stated that any candidate who meets this criteria can be nominated at the convention. Obviously the RNC decided they could not risk this scenario, for fear of enabling a brokered convention and someone other than Romney being the nominee.
Now, before you condemn Ron Paul and his supporters, who were merely playing by the rules all along until the RNC changed them to suit their needs, consider how you will feel in 2016 when the establishment is once again pushing a big government RINO and these rule changes prevent someone you prefer and support like Allen West or Sarah Palin from mounting an opposition to the establishment candidate.
I have gone onto the Romney website and sent two emails telling them that they have chosen to force us conservatives out of the process, and they need to be afraid that we will turn against them as they have made us enemies.
The rest of the country I hope will vote for Romney, but we need to stay together and continue to fight to save this great country. PLEASE VOTE IN NOVEMBER FOR ROMNEY/RYAN. he once again is the lesser of two evils. a vote for Barry, is a vote to kill this country.
I just feel sick with the betrayal that has been dealt us today, but we are fighters and we will win, it will just take us longer. WE WILL WIN IN THE END.
What would you suggest we do, not vote for Romney? If we don't vote that is what will finish us off. If Barry, has another 4 years, we will never have the chance to fix anything. I have always been told don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
Even the libs didn't like Oregon's governor. He was losing in the polls, then came in on election night, and pulled off a miracle. (electronic vote counting) All they need is one county in Oregon. My cousin is a State senator, (republican) and he has been redistricted a couple of times.
It's one big joke in Oregon. I hear what you are saying though. It is not fun giving up hope on the process.
Washington state is where I live and I feel as you do but I can always have hope that one day we will get back to where we were before every crazy came here from California. They hated it in California, then they turned this state into what they hated.
I live in a district that has just been redistricted so I hope we can elect a Republican Governor, and Muri, for Congress in my district. The Dem. Governor stole the elections, so I have the same problem here, "just keep counting until you win".
Just a side note: Where I live, my vote literally does not count. The two party dictatorship has redistricted to put all of the power in the population center of the state, so the rest of the state could all vote one way, and it wouldn't matter. Oregon hasn't counted in a presidential race for many cycles anyway. You are talking to a non voting voter, by default. I still fill out the ballot, but then it gets sent to a secret location where it is counted electronically. In reality, whoever programs the machines decides the elections in Oregon. My vote just gets used as another digit to throw into the pile, and have it come out for whoever is "supposed' to win.
The people of this country believe in "America", but our political elite believe in a corporate global monopoly on everything, including government. It is called the New World Order. It is quite real, and ready to take the rest of our sovereignty and put us under full blown international law.
Our political elite (the establishment) wants you to believe that elections can be used to change all of this. If you continue to believe in an electoral process that is rigged, then you will never be effective in changing it. The two parties are not really opposing forces. They both push the same agenda from one administration to another, and from one congress to another. This is why the voters are always unhappy with a president by the time he leaves office, and they are always unhappy with those who lead congress. Every election is about "change", no matter what party is in power.
Anyone who was watching the primary closely knows that the Romney and the GOP pulled every dirty trick in the book to get Romney in. They defrauded the republican voters and caucus goers to an extent that I never knew possible in a primary. This latest report of a GOP rule change was just one from a long list in this primary.
The US has a two party dictatorship. (where it counts, one party) Those parties control government, and they use their power to shut down any challenge to their authority, or their power base. They have used police to arrest legal caucus goers who were following the rules that they hadn't had a chance to change yet. All kinds of atrocious events took place.
There are only two ways to change the direction of this country. One, is for everyone to abandon the two parties, and make sure that we have fair elections. A fair primary would have meant that Romney lost the nomination. Two, a full blown political revolution with massive protests and riots in the streets all across the country.
There is no following their rules and winning. It is that simple.
I have no hope of either, because most conservatives are still buying into Paul Ryan as being a fiscal conservative. Paul Ryan, the "lets balance the budget in thirty years" guy. The "cutting spending increases is going to solve our financial problems" guy. Meanwhile, we have a currency that is almost done for, and nothing to replace it. We are about to lose our world reserve status. We have a growing police state that is threatening everything that we supposedly stand for.
We don't have decades. We probably won't have a presidential election beyond this one. People need to quit listening to our politicians and political pundits who talk about twenty, thirty, fifty years out. It is a joke. The social systems will fail with the Fed Note. The debt can never be paid, and there are over one hundred trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities.
We have a presidential candidate and his running mate who are talking about making sure that SS and medicare are there for generations to come. I thought conservatives were not socialists. How are we going to pay out that 100 trillion when we have no industrial base? You can't grow an economy on a failed currency and a service economy.
This country has been shut down economically. There is nothing to build on. We are going down soon, and people are still listening to the lies of these politicians. Round and round we go, where it ends up, very few seem to know.
We didn't get into this mess in 1 or 2 elections, and we are not going to get out of it in 1 or 2. I myself am in for the long haul. The American people are starting to wake up, and we have to stay involved, continue to fight and vote for men and women who love and believe in this great country.
I know this is hard to believe but I think we will have a fighting chance with Romney. Paul Ryan, is going to be the VP, so if Romney doesn't do what he says he will we will at least have Paul, who we can get behind and vote into the POTUS slot in 2016.
With Barry, in power we will never be able to even fight, as he has shown his stripes now by changing laws without even going through due process. Barry, has one thing in mind for this country and that is to destroy it, and take over as dictator, and with George Soro's money he will be able to do it.
I hope you will rethink what another 4 years of Barry, will do!!!!!
I agree with you about Barry, I just see the same in Romney. He is not a decent, nice guy, who intends on doing what he says. If he was, he wouldn't be the nominee through total fraud and manipulation of the primary process.
I would love to think that he was just someone who needs to have his feet held to the fire, but I just don't see it. The president has too much power, and it all goes down the tubes once they are in office. (every time)
We don't have time to correct our problems through decades of election cycles. We need a massive political revolution now, or we are going down.
Sorry to say it, but that is what the evidence tells me.
I agree with you 100% about the New World Order, but I disagree with you about Barry. He is going to take this country down and he will not stop until we are like China, Iran, etc. Barry, is doing everything that he can right now to destroy this country, what do you think we can do to stop him if he is elected for another 4 years. If you don't mind what is happening right now then do what you say you are going to do vote for someone else, but in fact you really know that if you do that it will be an indirect vote for Barry....
In my heart of hearts I believe we can still fight if we elect Romney, but we are finished as a Country that I love dearly if we don't do everything within our power to send Barry, home where ever that may be. I will hold my nose and vote Romney and fight like hell to keep this country alive and well until the day that I die!!!!
It is a tough one, to be sure. The answer would be one based on the fact that we will likely go down with global financial collapse before four years is up. The Fed Note will be all but worthless, and we have no backup. We have a quickly growing police state that is designed to deal with domestic terrorists. (political dissidents) Our systems will fail, and there will be chaos over the whole thing.
I say, it doesn't matter who you vote for. We now have only two choices, and both are bought and paid for by the same people. The Bushbama agenda will continue with Romney. Our liberties will evaporate, and our system will collapse.
Who do you want to manage this? Neither one of them would do anything different. They will both disarm us and take over all resources. They will both sell us out to global rule. They will both hold us down by continuing to keep us tied to a failed currency.
Some may want a white guy over a black guy, and others might want the black guy. I don't know.
I am voting for whoever "else" is on the ballot, but just as a protest vote of conscience, and not because anyone else would ever have a chance.
Obama is really bad, but it is an illusion that Romney is better. How good were Obama's lies? Better than Romney's. How good were Bush's lies? Clinton? They all carried out the same global progressive agenda and did the opposite of what they said. Now that Romney has been nominated via fraud, why would we expect anything different?
This was an incredibly stupid thing for the Romney Camp and the RNC establishment to do when they are so desperate for conservative votes. Here we are trying to convince everyone to get out and vote against Obama even if they are not sold on Romney... and his campaign pulls something like this? Stupid!
I don't understand why they did it. I am wondering if they were spooked by a convention fight because Paul and Palin supporters were raising a fuss.
I have never been in the ABO camp and figured Hussein was a one-term president as soon as Fancy Dancer and Axlerod bailed on him.
"ABO" was a GOP establishment narrative to make voters so afaid of the specter of Hussein Part2 that we would accept a progressive establishment candidate like Romney. It worked and they still use this "what choice do we have?" now to cram stuff.
So their polling tells them they are in good shape. Obama's big buck globalist patrons have gotten behind Romney instead. They now think they can do this without Conservative base and without grassroots. So...make this move now to secure more power and Party control later. Low risk of anyone not voting anti-Obama, no matter what they do.
Another reason for such arrogance is that they have hundreds more, and thousands total, electronic voting and counting machines in place. They may not even be worried about it. Many state election results are entirely determined by electronic counting machines, which are programmed by corporate entities, and unverifiable by election officials.
I personally think they are worried about Palin in 2016. I have a feeling Romney is not going to do the things he was elected to do. Remember etch-a-sketch? And if that is indeed his plan, I think he is afraid of getting Primary-ed by Palin at the next election.
I think we have some reason to be happy, despite this cluster-schmuck move. The way I see it, this ploy by Team Romney just gives people like Michelle Malkin, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, Allen West, and many others, a huge sounding board to resonate against the GOP after the elections. And we will be listening and responding. Responding with cash and rallies, and shut-down switchboards. We'll be all over this.
Hey GOP, we're like the Internet, baby: we don't forget anything. And remember,
"The 2014 Primarying" begins November 7
so does the 2016 election with third party since rino romney and his band of goons just decided they don't need conservative or tea party voters.
Unless the West/Palin ticket launches a third party bid, we're stuck taking over the GOP.
Regarding starting third party, none of the drop-out conservatives from the primaries will do for a third-party run. And I don't see any new faces being able to carry the weight necessary to make it work. So if West/Palin don't get busy working that angle by say, early 2014, third party is a non-starter.
romeny will lose come november with this power grab. he and the gop elites like boehner, sununu and rove will be the reason they lose. boehner will be ousted as house leader.
Boehner sucks. I agree he should be ousted, all he does is cry and then capitulate to Obama when Obama presses him or something. Weak fish. McConnell sucks too, btw.
Thinc yew made some grammatikal errors their Carolyn. Just pointing it out sence you seam to have an issue with other posters dewing it. LOL
disclaimer: grammar misused intentionally to make a point.
I strongly believe it is seriously time to establish a new party starting this moment ready for the next election. With this despicable behavior from the RINO establishment, no one can afford to let it wait until the next election is nearing.
Sununu might be good as media buffer but this guy has not changed his feather. Boehner is acting like a dictator albeit a crying one, no wonder he's a lousy and ineffective speaker. Romney, what can I say...allowing this to happen, is despicable.
boehner should be ousted as majority leader and sununu should be kicked down the road. will be calling my congressman again tomorrow to let him know i will not be voting for romney in november and that i will be expecting boehner to be ousted for his poor behavior at the convention.
If Romney had any character he'd have been up 20 already in the polls....
Now he keeps hold outs debating the conundrum of less evil guy vs really evil guy....
It looks as if it's official, conservatives you are not welcomed. Here is what Michelle Malkin had to say:
Update: 4:34pm Eastern Well, that was…something else. First, Maine delegates were replaced with Romney people. Then, rules chairman John Sununu and GOP Speaker of the House John Boehner stood on stage at the RNC to rule on the compromise rules report. No minority report was mentioned. When asked for yeas and nays on the report, the room seemed equally divided. Boehner forged ahead and approved the report over loud boos and calls of “point of order” from activists on the floor.
No vote on the minority report.
FW’s Dean Clancy observes: “If @SpeakerBoehner had been wielding the Speaker’s gavel instead of the GOP convention gavel, he wouldn’t have gotten away with that trick.”
And the show went on…GOP Rep. Marsha Blackburn just declared that “this has been a great exercise in grass-roots” and that GOP stands for “Great Opportunity Party.”
Yeah, I so hope so, it will make this convention all the more interesting that is for sure.
Then again, I do know how a chairman can work the vote, overstating his case while understating the case of the others. I hope that those who are supporting the Minority Report know their Robert's Rules of Order. Or, it may be over before they know what happened.
Update from Michelle Malkin
Update 2:50pm Eastern…The Rules Committee just voted 78-14 to accept the Romney-approved deal on Rules 15(16) and 12. There is now an effort to gather enough signatures to force a floor vote on the minority report. 25 percent of committee members are needed.
Apparently, the Virginia delegation was stuck on a bus and didn’t make it in time for the vote.
More like, had been arranged to get stuck on a bus. This is dirty maneuvering. People should stage a walk out.
Yep, but they won't because they refuse to think outside the box. Let's continue to get our heads bashed in while we try to reform the party within. It is like the conservatives within the PCUSA that continue to think that they need to be there to reform sometime. Yet, all they do is keep giving ground, inch by inch and laughed at behind their backs.
Conservatives need to learn the lesson from the conservative Christians of the PCUSA that there is a time to realize that change cannot be done from within. It should be time to cut and run.
Not that my opinion of the GOP could get much lower what, but what did we expect from a party that redistricts great leaders like West and Bachmann?
This where a leader steps in and a puppet lays low. Crickets
Is anyone else having trouble with disqus this morning? Likes not working & also difficult to reply to posts.
Did Romney think the Tea Party wasn't paying attention? This rule would assure that establishment repubics reign. The two parties are becoming synonymous. Romney has to know that this is going to turn off many independents. I am willing to vote for someone that believes the garden of Eden was in Missouri. But, power grabbing isn't going to fly.
Rush just reported that Freedomworks says Romney and RNC are now removing rules committee members who are not compliant, before vote at 2PM!
I spoke to a rep in our Washington State Republicans office and was encouraged to hear that they have been taking calls one after the other ever since this made the news. Good to know that even in this blue state people are outraged.
He agreed that the RNC is jeopardizing votes based on the calls he has taken. Thankfully our State Chairman is on board with the grassroots and confirmed that the WA delegates are standing in opposition to this power grab - both Rules 12 & 15.
Does the Romney/Rove/Bush contingent not realize how demoralizing this will be to the people that expended tons of energy and helped the R's win the House in 2010? This election is theirs to lose.
I'm writing Romney's campaign to tell them if they persist in ignoring the Tea Party and grassroots supporters they better be prepared to expect fewer votes for the Comeback Team.
TeamRomney is reminding us why we didn't want him on the ticket. It wasn't his religion, it wasn't his finances, it was that he represents the Rove bunch that cares nothing for the Tea Party. They'll take the hard work we do, but stab us in the back when they "think" we aren't looking. The problem they have is that we never look away and we are far more intellegent than they perceive.
they can stab us in the back but we don't have to vote for him. if it takes him losing then so be it. i for one will not vote for this power grab hungry rino.
So you’re voting for a commie instead? Really, one is easier to fix than the other. I chose to vote for the future of my country over a quarrel that can be repaired.
The math isn't convincing. 1,000,000 x 0 = 0
I don't support people who aren't voting, but Romney has to do what it takes to win. If he loses, I won't blame conservatives, that's for sure.
The Founders would literally be up in arms against a anti-Constitutional progressive like Mitt Romney by now. So, we all should be ashamed that we have let our government get so large and so powerful that our only choice is between a big government Progressive and a Marxist.
As much of a big gov't guy Bush was I'd take him anyday of the week and twice on Sunday over Maobama!
Do you like the Bush tax cuts??? They're gone if obama is reelected and we'll all get screwed?
Do you like high gas and food prices??? There will be no domestic drilling expansion under Maobama while ROmney is campaigning on domestic drilling.
And Bush spent what $4T in 8 years. Maobama has spent $5T in just over 3 years. Maobama has done crippling regulations.
Bush tried to reform social security (Ryan wants to as well). Bush wanted to reform Fannie and Freddie and Romney is campaigning on repealing Dodd-Frank.
Romney is a million times better than Maobama!
Voting third party is the dumbest thing I've ever heard!
We'll be America in Name Only in 2016 if obama wins again!
And voting third party is really the same as voting for obama. It's taking away a GOP vote and flushing it down the drain.
The Founders would be so proud of you!
i will vote for third party candidate - constitution party candidate over obama and romney. you should pay attention to what rino romney and his surrogates are doing.
if he loses it won't be my fault or those of us who believe he is no better than the communist in the white house.
Why do you think it will be easier to fix if you do not yet know his true intentions? It could be far harder when republicans think Romney does no harm. Now at least all Republicans and all conservatives are aligned against the enemy of the people.
It was Bush for example who convinced conservatives that he needed muslims in the government to help him build a bridge to "the religion of peace" and to "seed democracy" after Hussein was gone. Obama drove a truck through that.
It was Bush and a big government congress that took us from a surplus to a 4 trillion deficit - plowing the ground for Obama's marxist rhetoric.
It was Bush who lulled conservatives into giving up our rights through the Patriot Act. Obama then used it to double down on the Constitution.
Which is more dangerous, the marxist or the egg?
The Tea Party movement is just representative of what they truly care noting about - those who know that liberty will only survive with limited government.
George Romney did all he could to destroy Reagan. His son intends to destroy the spirit of Reagan.