Fairtax is a fucking goofy fraud. Yes, it sounds great, if you are a fucking idiot and don't read the fine print.
Here, go read the fucking fine print. http://fairtaxgoofy.blogspot.com/
I'm going to call you a liar, USNK2, and say you definitely missed the entire interview, because after the pause, Cain did answer the Libya question correctly.
I just saw the entire Libya video and after the 10 second pause Mr. Cain gave an excellent well-reasoned answer. The man is informed. No doubt about it. I can't believe people are making a big issue of a pause. It wasn't a debate. It was an informal, casual interview with shoddy camerawork. I actually thought he did quite well. He only paused for those 10 seconds because the reporter asked him a loaded question if he "agreed with Obama on Libya" which, to Mr. Cain, didn't have a simple "yes" or "no" answer because there are areas where he agreed and disagreed with Obama's handling of the Libya situation. He paused, asked the reporter to be more specific, then gave an excellent well-reasoned answer on where he differed with Obama and why. Unlike Obama, Mr. Cain said he would need to know who the opposition is and what they stand for before supporting them with millions of US dollars. It was a great answer and I believe Mr. Cain would be a great foreign policy President along the lines of Ronald Reagan.
This USA Today article set the record straight about the stagnant Massachusetts economy under Governor Romney's strict environmental policies, state-run healthcare mandate and closing of loopholes that raised business taxes by $300 million.
Today we don't hear Mitt getting specific about his tenure as Massachusetts Governor, lest his Left-wing policies be exposed to Republican voters.
Massachusetts ranked 47th in the nation in job creation under Mitt Romney. The man is no job creator. As Governor, he was more interested in combating global warming and raising taxes on businesses to fund RomneyCare.
"Mr. Romney joined activists outside an aging, coal-fired plant in 2003 to show his commitment to the emissions caps. "I will not create jobs or hold jobs that kill people, and that plant, that plant kills people," he said.
On Dec. 7, 2005, the Romney administration unveiled the final orders. "These carbon emission limits will provide real and immediate progress in the battle to improve our environment," then-Gov. Romney said in a press release touting Massachusetts as "the first and only state to set CO2 emissions limits on power plants."
"... Mr. Romney made it clear he believed in human-caused global warming and wanted a policy response."
Is Mitt Romney the most Liberal Republican in the history of the party?
Here's what Mitt Romney supported as Governor of Massachusetts:
1. Pro-abortion with taxpayer funding (added it to RomneyCare).
2. Pro-government mandated healthcare.
3. Pro-government mandates in general.
4. Pro-gay marriage with full state sponsorship (was first Governor to install it).
5. Pro-transgendered education in public schools (promoted by Governor Romney's administration).
6. Pro-global warming caused by human activity.
7. Pro-environmental regulations to combat global warming (imposed massive regulations in Massachusetts; has same environmental policy team as Obama).
8. Pro-taxes on businesses (closed loopholes, then raised business taxes by $300 million as Governor of Massachusetts).
9. Pro-amnesty for illegal immigrants.
10. Anti-second amendment.
NOT a conservative.
Indeed, Mitt's track record is to the Left of most Democrats.
Does this disqualify Mitt?
What nonsense. Anyone who doubts what Cain can do should watch how he schooled Clinton on healthcare.
bobnus' points being lost on you is not a reference to you, but to bobnus' points will not be accepted by you because there are not any supporting "real math" numbers in bobnus' points.
It seems to me that bobnus was making a "big picture" point, as I have been doing all along, while you are making a specific "real math" point, as you have been doing all along.
The "big picture" is concerned with what is "fair" for the many.
The "real math" is concerned with what effect it will have for the few.
Other than that, "real math" for the few is definitely important, but something seems to be missing when it is not in the context of the "big picture" for the many.
See, we have come to a mutual point of understanding, it seems, about what is "fair" for the many AND the few.
...there is no reason for us to discuss this anymore.
williamm, those words are definitely not, yes, not offensive.
You are projecting something nefarious onto friendly, yes, friendly words.
There is absolutely nothing offensive about "points are lost" is there?
There is absolutely nothing offensive about "forum friend" is there?
There is absolutely nothing offensive about "sparring partner" is there?
Your projecting negativity onto friendly words could therefore be considered offensive, couldn't it?
Think about it.
If the word "friend" is used in the comment to bobnus above, how can "friend" be considered offensive?
If the word "sparring" is used in connection with the friendly word "friend," how can "sparring" be considered offensive?
What is missing in this picture?
What is the point of contention in saying friendly words are offensive?
However, the offensive words in your comment above are
-never attacked anyone personally
-unless they do it first
-keep it civil
Why the uncivil words... and their uncivil intent?
Do you see how using such words in response to "forum friend" and "sparring parther" could be considered offensive themselves... without cause.
Concerning whether your figures are correct or incorrect, this forum is probably not the best place for extended point-counterpoint with accountant type green eyeshade number crunching about right or wrong numbers and tax implications.
...because the defense of the truth about what is "fair," yes, FAIR, and what is not will never end until persuasive words become convincing...
...based on what is "fair," yes, FAIR, not what is "entitled" by BIG Gov fiat and so should be retained...
...to protect the poor, of course.
And of course, those are friendly words, because ALL of us want to protect the poor, don't we?
Who is "you people" williamm?
The use of "you people" reminds me of the antagonistic callers to Levin and Hannity and Limbaugh who are nailed by Levin and Hannity and Limbaugh as either seminar callers or wolves in sheep clothing masquerading as conservatives or independents or libertarians or whatever.
williamm, words such as
-"people like you"
-"lines your pockets"
-"you have a problem with the truth"
-"be an adult"
-"your childish attacks"
are not conducive of civil discourse because they represent innuendo without substance to support the innuendo.
Your request to "disprove my math on 999" and your request to "prove" you are wrong on Cain and the prebate is a red herring.
The issue is not me or you or Cain, the experienced business man and respected family man, husband and father.
Your target is really with the FAIR Tax itself, which has been around for decades now... see the FairTax.org website for more info.
Watch the 50 responses and expose the falsity of the Fair Tax concept itself, and your comments will be more persuasive if and when you correct "their" analysis of what is "fair" to the SS recipients whom you defend with vituperative words against those who want to scrap the "progressive" and "graduated" tax scheme of the 16th amendment, and ultimately the IRS.
As it stands now, your comments against Cain and his 9-9-9 plan are not persuasive because they are not convincing... they are more innuendo without substance than they are informative.
The issue is Cain and his
9-9-9 Phase 1 Flat Tax with "transition" to Phase 2 Fair Tax
Phase 2 Cain Fair Tax -
-Ultimately replaces individual and corporate income taxes
-Ends the IRS as we know it and repeals the 16th Amendment
More on the Fair Tax - 50 questions answered in 50 1 minute to 3 minute segments -
>> 50 Video segments - http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
More on the Flat Tax -
>> FreedomWorks - http://www.freedomworks.org/issues/flat-tax
>> Alvin Rabushka - http://flattaxes.blogspot.com/
>> Alvin Rabushka - click book links - http://www.hooverpress.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=1274
>> Gingrich v Perry - http://www.newt.org/news/lets-bump-plans-comparison-gingrich-and-perrys-flat-tax-plans
Dittos, have a nice day williamm...
... until later...
...because the defense of the truth about what is "fair" and what is not will never end until persuasive words become convincing...
...based on what is "fair," not what is "entitled" by BIG Gov fiat and so should be retained...
...to protect the poor, of course.
Don't like Cain? Then who are you going to vote for? Romney is not a legitimate choice for he is inconsistent on nearly every issue. Newt has more baggage than a Samsonite dealer and is a big government Republican. Ron Paul's foreign policy is even more dangerous than Obama's. The rest of the field is not getting any traction. So, who are you going to vote for?
Just because Cain doesn't know much about foreign policy doesn't mean he is a bad candidate. And the sexual harassment accusations are bull. What does Obama know as an inexperienced Senator and community organizer? Obama is learning while on the job and still needs teleprompters to speak. I am sick of his monotonous campaign mode since he was elected.
Look at what he has done to US...all the stimulus money he spent that did nothing, the stock market is still floundering, unemployment is still over 9% (but if calculated correctly it is much higher), and the list goes on and on. He is ruining US and the politically uneducated voters need to know the truth. We must get the message to them, they listen to the lamestream media Obama supporters and are brainwashed. God Help US!
Yes, he Cain. Maybe his campaign manager told him to do the interview. Please Mr. Cain, get rid of Block.
The definition of warrior is somebody who takes part in a struggle or conflict-that is what Mr. Cain is doing-SP is working to make money through political speeches across the country!
Anyone one of those candidates will be far better than another four years of O!
I've never witnessed so many conservatives - Tea Party patriots or Republicans - attack one of our own. I'm not talking about a RINO, but an actual conservative in Herman Cain. Sure, he has made mistakes, but I can show you a laundry list of flip flops, gaffes, and/or poor choices by EVERY candidate. With our party currently losing 75% of the minority vote, leaders like Cain, Allen West & Marco Rubio stand the best chance of bridging the gap of this oncoming demographic tidal wave and keeping conservatism from becoming a fringe element. If someone is not your personal preference, so be it, but maliciously spreading propaganda from politico and the MSM is just ridiculous. So not only do we eat our own but now we're their puppets? Obama and Romney must be looking better all the time according to the behavior of some in here.
We all cried foul when the media systematically destroyed Sarah Palin; and she made a number of gaffes...some seemingly quite silly or elementary. Regardless, we rallied around her because we believed in her overall potential, her philosophy, not because she was un- or misinformed about several issues. Yet a majority of people in here, myself included, were ready to make her president.
We are damaging many of our candidates to the point of no return...leaders who may not win the nomination, but could be ambassadors for our cause in the future. Some will not even be viable VP candidates after we get done with them. We're losing our minds, and perhaps a whole lot more, in this race for the nomination.
Good evening everyone,
I was hoping I would never have to write this, and if by some miracle I am wrong about this I will be happy because the Herman Cain that I’ve read about was about as conservative as you get from all but the federal reserve standpoint. Nonetheless, I must write this blog.
I came into this nomination season hoping that either Sarah Palin would run (based on her ability to bridge gaps because of her strong stand against crony capitalism, and her strong across the board conservative stands with solid foreign policy views) or we would get someone at least almost as good as her.
I truly thought I had that person, and in some ways we do have that person running. Her name is Michelle Bachmann, and as of now she is still running for President of the United States. However, she allowed herself to get caught in infighting with Pawlenty before he exited, and made a huge deal out of an encounter that could not and was not vetted about an issue that while I agree with her on, is not going to do her any favors. It did not, and when you combine that with her attacks on Herman Cain and others ideas that were conservative ideas she lost every bit of traction she ever had and honestly has the worst run campaign to this date that I have ever witnessed in person.
So, she kinda removed herself from contention, and placed doubts that she would ever be able to look America in the eye and create a competent enough campaign to take advantage of a clearly weakened Barack Obama.
So, after always having a good opinion of Herman Cain I turned to him to see if he could carry my vote to the primary. The first thing that stung, was that his idea was a watered down “transition” to the tax plan I am for at least a similar plan to the Fair Tax. Don’t get me wrong, he is still for the fair tax, but 9-9-9 to me opens up a huge window of opportunity of Cain ended up being a one term president if he were even able to get it passed (which I doubt). That window is an opportunity to reset the income tax structure back to the levels they are now and leaving the sales tax portion as an added VAT tax that democrats across the globe love. Strike 1.
I put that behind me..saying that they would put language in the law that made that a chore for democrats or it would have some sort of timetable to transition to the fairtax after repealing the 16th amendment in the 9-9-9 law.
Ok, then after a few good days I see that he went on Piers Morgan..I knew that wasn’t going to go well. He gets to the Abortion question that invariably he was going to get in this venue. I know that Herman Cain personally is avidly against abortion, so when I hear out of his mouth “its a family decision that the government should not involve themselves in” I go..wait..what? What on earth was that? The next day he gives an explanation that he was talking about that the president is not the one that makes that decision..and that he is 100% pro-life period. With this I went on his facebook and asked a serious, albeit harsh worded question I’m sure, about how his 100% pro-life view can use decidedly pro-choice language in an interview anywhere, much less on a very liberal show on a liberal network. How if he believes as he says in life at conception that you could say that ending that life (murder) could be a family decision that government has no right to involve themselves in? I then get promptly blocked from posting on their facebook page (at this time as close to a Cain supporter as I ever was). That confused, and that really was disappointing at that point. Strike 2.
Then we hear about these women. Coming out multiples saying that he sexually harassed them. I have no clue if he did, it sure doesn’t seem like there is anything to the allegations from here, but his reaction was absolutely reactionary. Not something that a good campaign would have done. Get in front of the story, explain the allegation and how it was handled. Identify what settlements there were and why they were settled by whom. As frustrating as that was, I did not count it a strike against him because it seriously looked like the media was trying to just take him out with it.
Then, I see the interview where he goes into federal unions and bargaining rights. And he sounds like he is saying that he is for them being able to do so. He creates this “if its not hurting the taxpayers” out for himself, but even so this is not the view of a conservative. Then I come to remember the reason I wasn’t so keen to vote for him in the beginning. I remember the hesitancy he gave to auditing the fed, for instance. It started stringing together doubt on numerous fronts that when I put it all together I get a candidate that does not seem to articulate a position that is more conservative then Mitt Romney.
Is he more liberal then Mitt Romney? I do not believe so, but it has erased all of the little trust I had of his running a respectable competent campaign and his conservative core came into question. Without significant, almost miraculous recovery from this I cannot see myself voting for him in the primary.
If you think I’ve erred somewhere and have something to prove me wrong, please do so. The next best candidates I could go to are currently irrelevent, or in the past have told me I’m a heartless racist. So if you can help Mr. Cain, please chime in.
The national sales tax is not a VAT, since a VAT is taxed from manufacturing, to distribution and all the way to retail. The sales tax would only be on retail. The idea of the 999 plan is that, number one, it's easier to pass and quicker than getting the 16th amendment abolished right away. Two, the economic boom that will come from it will be suffecient evidence and enough of a game changer to abolish the 16th amendment with a plurality of support.
The facebook thing is quite silly. That facebook page is spammed by trolls about once or twice every few minutes. Most of them aren't even real people, but fake accounts where they just ask stupid questions, but don't accept any answers. Pure disruption. Most of them aren't even banned as there are just so many. Maybe you got unlucky.
Third, Cain is not pro-union, and I believe part of the Opportunity zones will require Right-to-work laws for an area to qualify to be under the 909.
Exactly. Look at how much work Rush has to go through to defend him. No, there's nothing wrong with pausing and thinking. But that isn't what happened. Cain is far from an idiot. I think he's smart (in certain ways). The MSM caricature is lame and typical of what they throw at Republicans. But he DOES indeed lack knowledge in certain areas. My question is: why hasn't he bothered to get one or two people to coach him on the basics of these foreign policy issues?
I have believed from the beginning, and still believe Cain is the best person to run for the presidency for a number of reasons. I want Obama out and think Cain gives many people real pause as to who they are to vote for. And yes I do want my president to be knowledgeable in a number of areas, I know my current numb nut president only knows how to rile people up, which goes along with his career of "community organizer". Cain can wipe the floor with him, as many of the republican candidates could, and make people ask that question, "why in the world did I ever vote for that guy?!"
He is trusting congress to be able to get a second tax reform in place.
How about reduce the spending so that you can reduce taxes further, then you can get rid of the income tax and the corporate tax over time. Spending is the problem - it is a waste of time to try to get two major tax reforms done. Less spending and the reigning in of the FED's power will be what will allow tax reduction.
One smear didn't work so they try something else. You don't know what was said right after they ended the video.
I see so many conservatives who are ready to quickly throw good conservatives under the bus. Why is that? The posts by RS and on RS from yesterday's gaffe blog and then today's just show a tendency to forget the fact that we're trying to get a Conservative into the White House, not elect another talking head like Obama! Cain, nor any other person will be perfect. Nor will we share all of their opinions. We are trying to put in people who will stand up for our Constitution and will free us from an overbearing government! I don't care a jot if he has a senior moment for 30 minutes as long as he can stand for truth and the Constitution at the end of the day! I don't care if he's the ugliest sad sack on the planet who can't string three sentences together! I want to be free! I want my children to be free! I understand that he has to be able to clearly communicate principles. In Cain's case, he does that 98% of the time. This discussion of whether or not he's fit for presidency based on one botched interview and a couple botched comments is crazy! Might I remind you of all the speech gaffes Obama makes? Anytime he's not on his teleprompter he makes dumb comments and sounds stupid. I refuse to throw Conservatives under the bus. Listen to Mark Levin's take on this as well. Let's quit eating our own and evaluate all our options on the basis of the issues and whether or not they communicate Conservatism. If Cain doesn't represent your values, then don't vote for him based on that.
The continued negative talk directed toward Herman and his campaign simply underscores what has been the case all along: The Democrats, as well as the GOP elite, are SCARED to death of a Cain Administration because it would set out to change too much of the establishment way of doing things, in both parties. The media will always aid the Democrats in their efforts to destroy an opponent, and in this case, the GOP establishment has been all too happy to allow the media and the Chicago Political Machine do their dirty work for them. So the question is: Who is the BEST person to bring real change to Washington? The answer is Herman Cain, and that SCARES today's powerful elite more than the average person can possibly comprehend.
What you obviously can't understand is Cain will not get the votes from the 47%
That is pure speculation, my assertion about how government works [Congress specifically] is not.
As far as whether or not people earned enough to survive vs retire, and who had retirement plans from their workplace-
I don't know your personal situation so I will keep my comment brief. It can be done, without an employer provided retirement plan.
Now I will address Scoop's post. It goes to show you that to throw stones at someone for supposedly not knowing something you don't know will make you out to be a fool. Scoop, Rush layed it all out for you and you still missed it. They have been after Cain since they realized his lead in the polls was no fluke. This began two weeks ago with the smear campaign orchestrated by Politico, which has failed. He is still in the top tier. Then they went after Mark Block to try to control Cain and that failed. Now, they are nitpiking anything he says. They are trying to get him on something to fit their narrative that Cain is not up for the job of president and you brought it, hook, line and sinker!
There must have been a reason Scoop you originally supported Cain. You knew that Cain was not strong on foreign policy and yet you supported him. With that said, Cain has vastly improved in his foreign policy knowledge and just as Rush said, was right about Libya in the end and on collective bargaining.
Let's be frank, the reason why you have jumped off the Cain Train is because you do think he's stupid. There's no other explanation. But you fundamentally have lost perspective on a man of such accomplishment because you have brought into the media's narrative. They have to portray Cain as an idiot otherwise Obama is toast. They don't want to see Cain emerge as the nominee. This their tried and true template to destroy a conservative. Reagan is dumb, Bush is dumb, Cain is dumb! Never mind the accomplishments of these men. Or they go with conservatives are mean, like Nast Newt, etc. You can't buy into their stereotypes and narratives, because it's all political! Stick with the fundamentals. Why did you support Cain before? Has anything about that thing changed with Cain? If not, why did you get off the Cain Train?
I'd say Cain is looking very presidential given the current Occupest:
"When I meet with world leaders, what's striking -- whether it's in Europe or here in Asia -- the kinds of fundamental reforms and changes, both on the revenue side and the public pension side, that other countries are having to make are so much more significant than what we need to do in order to get our books in order," Obama said. (Obama was speaking in Hawaii, 11-15-2011)
“Barack Obama was guest of honor at a $35,800-a-couple fundraiser in Seattle today. He was very appreciative to his host Jon Shirley… It’s just unfortunate that he called him Mark.” - at Seattle Fundraiser, September 25, 2011
“You Don’t want Billionaires to pay the same tax rate as JEW… I mean Janitors” - Barack Obama, speaking to Congressional Black Caucus, September 24, 2011
"We’re the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad," Barack Obama. On the Atchison, Topeka and the St. Tropez – Barack Obama, September 23, 2011
Cain appears to be the next Sarah Palin.
Our next election could be as big of a sham as the last. Do you know why Sarah Palin's bus tour was really canceled? Know what leaked out? Do you know why she stayed 30 miles away from the second debate and chose the death of Steve Jobs to announce that she's not running? She's dodging the media now because of this
Overblown, overblown, overblown! Stop buying into the media narratives meant to divide the conservative base and choose our candidates! How many times must I say this!
Look, the problem some have is that they don't know why they are supporting a candidate. You have to know why you support a candidate or else anything that comes up negative will have you running from this candidate to that candidate. It's ridiculous! I know why I support Cain and the things the media (and yes it was the media) try to highlight to put Cain in a negative light don't affect fundamentally why I support him. I knew, when I decided to support Cain that he was not a savant on foreign policy. Anyone who is supporting Cain because you thought he was an expert on foreign policy or that that was his strong suit, you will be disappointed and you should find another candidate to support. I also knew that Cain is not a politician and is not versed in the ways of Washington. Again, anyone who would support Cain thinking he is a political wizard or that he knows the ins and outs of Washington, you may want to consider another candidate.
I support Cain precisely because he's not a politician, that's number one. I also support him because he's fundamentally and unabashedly conservative. He embodies the ethos of the Tea Party, which is this awakening of conservatives outside the political system wanting to get in and change the system because America is in peril. Also, I support Cain because he has the right perspective. He is in it for the grandchildren. Isn't it really about future generations? Don't we owe it to the next generation to turn over an America better than what we received? And his perspective about what's wrong with Washington. In Washington, things get done based on politics, i.e. what can get passed. But nothing is actually done to solve the problem. Cain is a problem solver. This is his background from being a mathematics major to being a CEO of a company facing bankruptcy. Lastly I support Cain for his boldness. It was bold enough for him to lift himself out of the segregated south and climb the corporate ladder to the top. It was bold enough to face down stage 4 cancer and still keep up his political activities. It even more bold for him to take on the challenge to run for president as a black conservative and take the flak from the Left (as he did on the Lawrence O'Donnel show) and keep his optimism, charisma, and overal great demeanor. His likeability will lift this nation's spirits, because it seems he has a bottomless well of goodness in him and his love of this country is infectious! These are the reasons why I support Herman Cain for president in 2012!
It's not about a perfect candidate, but the right candidate. And Herman Cain embodies some of the qualities in a leader we desperately need right now in our country. Leave the wonkery to experts! Leadership is the criteria I measure candiadates for president and by that metric Cain is head and shoulders above the rest of the field. Cain is able, Cain 2012!
His answer was terrible. It was clear he was BS-ing -- just like a 5th grader who did not do last night's homework and is asked about it in class. It is obvious. You know in your heart it is obvious. And much as we would like to excuse it, you can't. Because this is the Presidency of the United States we are talking about. Not senior class President or chairman of the Kiwanis club.
Good points bobnus.
But your points are lost on our forum friend and sparing partner williamm who constantly uses words such as "Cain flip-flopped" and the 9% will "make life impossible for millions of people on SS" and etc.
Those kinds of comments are everywhere on his posts in defense of the status quo, it seems to me.
Since he is not for the FAIR Tax, he is either for the FLAT Tax of Perry / Forbes or the FLAT Tax of Gingrich or the "progressive" and "graduated" tax of the status quo.
- - - - - - - -
Today I favor Cain and his
9-9-9 Phase 1 Flat Tax with transition to Phase 2 Fair Tax
Phase 2 Cain Fair Tax -
-Ultimately replaces individual and corporate income taxes
-Ends the IRS as we know it and repeals the 16th Amendment
More on the Fair Tax - 50 questions answered -
>> Video - >> http://www.fairtax.org/site/PageServer
More on the Flat Tax -
>> FreedomWorks - >> http://www.freedomworks.org/issues/flat-tax
>> Alvin Rabushka - >> http://flattaxes.blogspot.com/
>> Alvin Rabushka - click book content links - >> http://www.hooverpress.org/productdetails.cfm?PC=1274
>> Gingrich v Perry - >> http://www.newt.org/news/lets-bump-plans-comparison-gingrich-and-perrys-flat-tax-plans
I won't vote for Cain under any condition.
At the risk of an Obama second term? It's just as bad as the Paul supporters that would vote for only Paul or Obama, or the anarchists that want to bring on the failure of America at the expense of everyone else so that they can have a go at their way of government. Funny how it always works out that way. Someone threatens to take away your piece of the government cheese and people want to raise hell. Can't be conservative only when it doesn't affect you. I know it sounds condescending, and I don't intend it to be that way....I'm trying to make a point.
I heard it before (in a heated argument with a close friend) ...yea, you paid into it, and yea you're getting [you've been] ripped off by your government (assuming that all of your calculations are right), but so are all of us, and it has to change. The bottom line is that if you planned on retiring with SS, you failed.
Cain gives us the best chance to win because he has the greatest appeal across party lines. Newt has little appeal outside our base. He lacks charisma/energy and appeal trumps substance 90% of the time. Obama is case and point; radical as hell, zero experience, but connected with the voters. It will be a redo of 2008 with Newt playing the old, boring Republican that nobody gets excited about. People want to be inspired, not talked down to. I have concerns about Cain too, but in the scope of everything, he is our best bet to win. I'll take Cain over another 4 years of Obama any day!
"... business ... success."
Getting informed about world events, people, issues is no different than getting up to speed on the issues confronting a business on the brink of bankruptcy.
Herman Cain definitely "knows" how to define a problem and surround himself with experts who can help with the solution.
Cain's honesty about having different things rolling around in his mind is an innocuous moment of what the psychiatrists call "free association" while speaking extemporaneously.
Cain's ok... he's doing good 99.999% (... yes, pun intended) of the time while speaking extemporaneously, it seems to me.
Rush for the defense - against another hit job...
Rush definitely knows how to defend "our" guys and gals... when they deserve defending, as Cain does concerning "the interview."
Rush's comments today about Cain's answers about collective bargaining and Libya mirror my own comments here yesterday when the majority of comments seemed to be piling on Cain as ... not ... getting ... it ... just ... right ... uh, immediately, like right NOW.
It seems to me that Cain has learned to be more thoughtful, even shrewd, and requiring clarification from his interrogators, uh, interviewers.
Cain can now come out with an ad about the "pause that refreshes" and put a humorous spin on an innocuous moment in one interview.
If Cain took a long pause every time he was asked about collective bargaining, however, that would be a different issue.
All the squirming about Cain's fullness of understanding of international issues, names, events, is majoring on a minor issue of the vetting process.
However, time will tell.
Between now, Nov. 2011 and Nov 2012, Cain will reveal how quick and adept he is in becoming as informed about world events as former UN Ambassador John Bolton and Newton Gingrich have been since, well... forever.
The opposition to Cain seems to be still majoring on minor issues.
Teri, ObamaCare only passed because, at that time, The Dems held the White House, The House of Representatives AND the Senate. I suspect that will be the case for the Republicans in 2013!
As I posted above to you teri_b; your problem is that you have "selected memory." Herman Cain HAS been very articulate on every issue he has addressed! Now run-off to Ron Paul!
Herman Cain is either a dumb ass or a huckster. Either way, he is finished.
It was a tribute to the stupidity of GOP lunatic voters, and Rush Limbaugh, that Herman got any votes at all. http://fairtaxgoofy.blogspot.com/
Perhaps you only heard the parts you wanted to hear teri_b; but yes Rush did address that issue AND agreed with what Herman Cain said on them (unlike a lot of folks who only heard the word; "collective bargaining," then turned OFF their brain to the rest of what Herman Cain had said). In fact; Rush said something I DID NOT KNOW; there ARE Government (as in Federal) workers that DO have bargaining rights!!! Please try to get ahold of the ENTIRE recording of Rush's comments and see for yourself (don't just take mine or anyone else's word).
I think a lot of the hispanic voters who are here legally detest the fact that so many come here illegally and would go for legislation to control the border a la federal law that is already on the books.
Are you stupid or what odin47? Herman Cain was a man who had only 4 hours of sleep and just got off a plane. Anybody with any sense (which you clearly had none); could see that. As a man who was tired; he was just trying to get his thoughts together (as you would, you hypocrite, if you were in a similar situation). Rush was right "the pause is the reason! Herman Cain or Rush was not clueless! The only one clueless here is an idiot like you!
I haven't paid fed. income tax for a few years, because we have no money. That said, I'd take Cain's 999 plan over the current thousands of pages of federal legalized theft, especially for businesses because I know that if business get tax breaks, they don't charge as much to keep competative. More demand for their goods, the more people they need to hire to make them. Sounds good to alot of us unemployed folk.
I believe the Tea Party will play a big role in this nomination! The illegal immigration tuition deal will not pass with the Tea Party!