Rush torches Perry: This is the way Fidel Castro thinks!

Posted by The Right Scoop on January 11th, 2012 in Politics | 210 Comments

Rush said he really liked Perry and had high hopes for him, but his ‘vulture capitalism’ characterization is indefensible. He bluntly said that this is the way Fidel Castro thinks:

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Anonymous

Rush, puulease. Melodramatic, much? Fidel Castro ? Really ?

poljunkie

I am with you on that.
http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

Ok, he sounds like Barack Obama. Is that better?

Anonymous

No, it isn’t better, LOL. I prefer an intelligent, mature, eloquent turn of phrase that is accurate. Not drama.

http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

I’m with you there. We all should read Free To Choose by Milton Friedman, then we can talk intelligently and maturely about this stuff.

http://twitter.com/113KriEger 13Krieger

As usual ”Rush is Right”. This is a stupid, insulting, ignorant road to be going down for anyone wanting the Conservative support. This is twisted class warfare and similiar to the Occupy WallStreet nuts….the 1% versus the 99%.

THIS IS WRONG! Shame on you Rick Perry!

Anonymous

Being such an unbiased person and all I can’t say your comments are a surprise.

Anonymous

Fine! The other Rick it is then.
Anonymous

I would not compare Perry to Castro but I am disappointed in the vulture comments.

Anonymous

I would call unethical business behavior “vulture.” Certainly not saintly.

Anonymous

What was unethical?

Anonymous

In these two specific cases, gutting viable businesses… if the facts bare out. And we will never know if the facts bear out if we keep the Bain story in the closet.

This is not about the legality of the decisions, but the mindset used to make the decisions, the character of the candidate.

Anonymous

YES, someone gets it. Legal, illegal, who cares. It is wrong.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6KRHXVK5ZCSWJ5GJQ5Z6GIJICA Dax

Mike I honestly can’t tell the difference between you and Alan Combs. Yes it is the argument of Castro and Obama. Do you trust government or not? Sounds to me like you are willing to let them manage and over see corporations(more regulations). You don’t know the facts and maybe just like any other liberal you don’t care about facts.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

I got your back, marine. There are always a crook around, that, tries to twist truth. Stipping a company is evil, and par for liberals. Dax. How can you try to justify the two lying bums, Castro, and Obama? Gov 101, never trust the government. That is why we have such a constitution,and why liberals constantly attack it. Like Perry, I would axe a lot of government.

Anonymous

I appreciate the support in this. Wrong is wrong. I am not suggesting we prosecute Romney. He didn’t break the law but he did take advantage of people and I would not have acted the way he did. Therefore, I will not vote for a man of questionable character.

Anonymous

You are an idiot. I would prefer a tiny little federal government with no depts., ie energy, education, epa etc. I want as little regulation as possible, but the fact is I would not turn my back on Romney. He has no moral compass and this is just evidence. He is an amoral socialist, just like Maobama.

Steve Andrews

The owner of a business and / or his hired consultants make decisions about a firm’s viability. Investing business capital is not a charity operation — the intent is to fund businesses in the hope of making a profit and if that profit does not meet the investor’s goals, then he is perfectly justified in liquidating the investment to free-up the remaining capital and invest it elsewhere. There is no moral obligation to lose money and there is no moral obligation to accept under-par investment performance when it may be possible to get a better deal investing elsewhere. I’ve been laid-off twice in my 64 years and I didn’t like it at all — but so what? No one “owns” a job — even when union thugs extort a “contract” from an employer. If the employer has no choice but to submit to an extorted “contract,” then the document is not a contract at all — it is simply written evidence of extortion for which the perpetrators should be fined and jailed. By the way, you can always start your own company and employ yourself and if you don’t like that idea, then maybe you should be grateful that “anyone” will hire you. Suck it up and be a man, sport.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

To quote Perry, “You have no heart”.
Anonymous

There is right and there is wrong. This action is wrong. Romney,himself compares what he did with Bain to Maobama taking over GM. I wouldn’t trust Romney to walk my dog. That is my point. there are lots of businesses in this country that are legal but wrong.

For instance, giving a home loan to an unemployed minority because they are a minority. Then, when they can’t pay the mortgage, they are thrown out in the street but the bank has already liquidated whatever little money those people had. This, too, is wrong.

Anonymous

There’s all the difference in the world between the way leveraged buyouts work and the abuse of home loans by Freddie and Fannie. The simple fact is those folks could not afford the loan to begin with; in most cases they could not even come up with a down payment. So they were getting into loans simple common sense should have told them they could not handle. Am I wrong, then, to sell my house to someone in their position?

Venture capitalists come in not to healthy companies but to companies that are struggling. The companies need an infusion of cash. In exchange for that the venture capitalist takes over management. In the best of all possible worlds the turnaround works. If not, the responsibility of the venture capitalist, like the original management, is to achieve the best result for the shareholders. That is a fiduciary duty for all directors in the corporate world. Everyone is best served if the company becomes profitable again, but “first loser” is maximizing gain out of a losing situation.

I’m a working class guy. I too have lost jobs due to these economics. So be it. Nobody said capitalism was always pretty.
Anonymous

But the real argument here is they also fleeced healthy, profitable companies.

Anonymous

The Bain thing against Romney is really a stupid class-warfare argument. Anyone ever involved with the turn-around of a poorly run firm understands the need to get rid of the dead weight and the incompetents who caused the problem in the first place.

Sadly, some well intentioned people get caught-up in that cleansing process too (kind of like collateral damage). The truth is that most troubled companies are doomed to fail without a turn-around effort.

What the critics fail to focus on are the jobs saved and created by competent management techniques. Politicians should stay out of the private sector business environment, period.

Anonymous

“The Bain thing against Romney is really a stupid class-warfare argument. Anyone ever involved with the turn-around of a poorly run firm understands the need to get rid of the dead weight and the incompetents who caused the problem in the first place.”

It’s a stupid class warfare argument because that’s what the media and talking heads want you to believe it’s about. If you listen to Perry (Don’t know about Newt.), he’s all for making money. He’s helped Texas makes lots of money!

As I asked in another thread…
Anyone else find it ironic that the governor of the state with the best economy and one of the most business friendly environments is being accused of being anti-capitalistic?

You point out cutting the dead weight is important, and it is. The two cases Perry bring up is that the entire businesses were shut down, and their treasuries taken.

Perry has applauded Bain’s success, but that doesn’t mean they get a pass on every decision.

Anonymous

Romney/Bain knew the liabilities of their investments up front. Romney/Bain even took a $10Million Federal Bailout 20 yrs ago to keep their Executive pensions afloat. That K Street to Wall Street connection Perry talks about, yeah that one.

Nobody’s talking about Romney/Bain’s bailout. Or that Romney/Bain bought paper, manufacturing, steelmaking companies. These industries are the backbone of the American infrastructure that makes America exceptional and prosperous. Romney/Bain let those go under, while keeping (and bragging about) the hospitality, retail & entertainment shops remaining on his books.

GS Technologies (acquired by Romney/Bain) a steel manufacturing plant in Kansas City for some 100+ years, Bain/Romney let go belly up. We’re importing steel from other countries now, and Romney’s responsible for the steel industry’s demise in the USA. What’s Romney, or the MSM got to say about that?

“Rather than trying to restructure and to keep the jobs in South Carolina, they (Romney’s Bain) were more interested in making the quick buck and that’s the Wall Street mentality — ethics kind of get thrown out the door,” Perry said.

Steve Andrews

Bullshirt. Romney isn’t “responsible for the demise of the steel industry in the USA.” Get your head out of your axx. American steel consumers found a better deal elsewhere and thast’s where they went. Bloodsxcking unions and dumb-axx government regulations made American steel uncompetitive. Don’t l,ike that answer? Tough shxt.

Ryan / Rubio 2012!
http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Yeah, people like you, really need to go to another country. Where robbery, and thief, are reguarded as virtues.

Steve Andrews

Perry should have sent his resume to Bain to see if they would be dumb enough to hire him.

Anonymous

If Romney was trying to turn around these companies you might be right. But like people who use catch phrases as attacks i.e. “Class Warfare” you demonstrate your ignorance with your lack of understanding of the facts.
So here’s a question.
Does someone who is trying to save a company borrow as much money as they can against said company’s assets and then siphon those funds off leaving the company unable to pay its bills and make its payroll? This is exactly what Bain capital did. They front loaded the company with debt, sold off the assets one by one, raided the employees pension funds and then threw the company and its employees into bankruptcy. Not to worry though Bain pocketed tens of millions of dollars in the process. Capitalism at work right?
So you are either an absolute moron who believes this is in fact the way you save a struggling company.
Or the more probable you are a dishonest hack who is using this opportunity to smear a good man.
Either way you are worthless to me.

Anonymous

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(snort) huh, oh, still here? someone wake me up when he leaves.
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Anonymous

Shouldn’t you be “super sizing” fries about now?
Anonymous

Did you invent that insult? That is so clever. I don’t think I’ve heard that before.
http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Wake up, Elvis has left the building. Now, you can resume your clown act.

Anonymous

Ah, yes; more lovely class-hate rhetoric from another Lefty. It just warms the cockles of one’s heart. Too bad for you nobody really cares what you think. It must suck to be you.

Steve Andrews

The owner of a business and / or his hired consultants make decisions about a firm’s viability. Investing business capital is not a charity operation — the intent is to fund businesses in the hope of making a profit and if that profit does not meet the investor’s goals, then he is perfectly justified in liquidating the investment to free-up the remaining capital and invest it elsewhere. There is no moral obligation to lose money and there is no moral obligation to accept under-par investment performance when it may be possible to get a better deal investing elsewhere. I’ve been laid-off twice in my 64 years and I didn’t like it at all — but so what? No one “owns” a job — even when union thugs extort a “contract” from an employer. If the employer has no choice but to submit to an extorted “contract,” then the document is not a contract at all — it is simply written evidence of extortion for which the perpetrators should be fined and jailed. By the way, you can always start your own company and employ yourself and if you don’t like that idea, then maybe you should be grateful that “anyone” will hire you. Suck it up and be a man, sport.

Steve Andrews

So far I haven’t seen “any” evidence that Romney’s dealings at Bain Capital were “unethical.” Put away the political bullshirt, please.

Ryan / Rubio 2012!

Anonymous

if you had hopes why didnt you endorse him?
that we wont be stuck with Mittens

http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

I’ll bet he’s now glad he didn’t endorse him.

Anonymous

i am so unhappy with rush, sean, the beck group, mark levin. please look at the definitions of the words 1) capitalism 2) free market 3) freedom and then read the constitution. you will notice that capitalism and free market are not mentioned.

also, and sean just said that capitalism made this country propersous. true, but that is not the only thing that made this country prosperous. most of the things that made this country great are being washed away by our immoral and lawless behavior. however, if all we can say is important is any way you can to create capital is ok then why do we shrink for gambling or craft or deft. i am sick of hypocricy. even from rush et al!

Anonymous

Capitalism results from a society which recognises and protects the individual rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. The founders implied capitalism as the country’s social system, without even knowing the word for it.
Anonymous

Correct. This country was made great and rich by visionaries like Carnegie and his steel mills. We’ve created enough regulations to guarantee we will never have a life changing product invented in America. We’ve guaranteed that even trying is illegal.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6KRHXVK5ZCSWJ5GJQ5Z6GIJICA Dax

Sounds like you want more regulations Mike. Perry’s done move on. It’s no one’s fault but his.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

You should indeed run for president. If you take 4% of a primary, to decide an election. OH, it’s you again. Wake up, Elvis has left the building.
Anonymous

Do you read and speak english? Your not very bright. Try reading my statement again.

Amerigo Chattin

The term “capitalism” was adopted by Karl Marx decades after the adoption of the U.S. Constitution.

The Constitute states: “No State shall make . . . any Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts.”

Anonymous

Obama and co. impaired the crap out of contracts. He/they shafted the bondholders and made a gift to the union of approx. 4 billion dollars on the deal, then gave an ownership chunk of GM to the Unions.

Why is no one talking about the destructive nature of labor unions here today other than I? If you want to jump on a boogie man, jump on them. Bain Capital is Mother Teresa by comparison.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6KRHXVK5ZCSWJ5GJQ5Z6GIJICA Dax

He did that only to fight against Capitalism.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6KRHXVK5ZCSWJ5GJQ5Z6GIJICA Dax

It’s not a perfect system but it’s better than any alternative! Get it? You people disgust me.

Anonymous

This is precisely why Ayn Rand wrote the book “Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal” – because people just don’t know what it is, and it’s about time they learned!
Anonymous

Is this the final straw for Perry? He needs to back away from this or it’ll hang around his neck and bring him down. Attack the 54 other attackable things about Mittens… but give this one up.

Anonymous

He is attacking Romney on different fronts, but this is the one media wants to run with. The media complains about reviewing Romney’s private sector experience while they are the ones choosing the topic of conversation. It’s like Perry’s first strong debate performance. What was the headline for weeks? “Oops.” The theme becomes conservatives are dumb, and we play along like compliant sheep.

Anonymous

Rush is wrong from time to time. Apparently, there is no such thing as unethical business behavior. No problem with Bill Daley’s work at Citigroup, no problem with currently legal Congressional insider trading. No ethical review required.

Anonymous

The only unethical business behaviors are force and fraud, both of which are crimes which result in fines/jail-time.

Everything else is ethical.

Anonymous

No, that would be illegal behaviors. Not everything that is unethical is illegal.

Anonymous

“Unethical”… By what standard? By what moral code? By what right?

Anonymous

By standards of decent business practices.

Do you believe all behavior outside force and fraud are decent and upright?

I am not saying it has to be fair; it is business. But does it at least adhere to a code decency. The Better Business Bureau handles many cases which are legal but are of questionable business practices. Maybe the BBB is also an enemy of capitalism. We will hear a Rush monologue on the evils of BBB.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Obviously you have never been a JC. You need a short couse on business ethics. Like the Mafia says, nothing personal, just business. BS.

Anonymous

So crony capitalism is okay? Hey, it’s all legal. Just business.

So congressional insider trading is fine with you? It’s all currently legal. Just business.

Anonymous

“vulture capitalism” – just stupid politics. some of capitalism is not comely, but, you will throw out the baby with the bathwater. I like Perry too, but, he has jumped the shark on this one. Newt: well you never know what will come spewing out of that mouth. Romney will benefit from all this idiocy.

Anonymous

I doubt Mittens will benefit from any of this. Like it or not a whole the size of Texas has just been blown in his electability argument.

Anonymous

For someone who call others “morons”, you exhibit few gifts for language. The word is “hole”, not “whole”. In your earlier posts, the word is “borrow”, not “burrow.” Perhaps you can burrow yourself a hole and drop out of sight now.

Anonymous

Ahhh yes the “you thumb type like crap” attack. You’re truly hitting me where it hurts now. Guess I will just slink away to some dark corner of the net now webster. Still can’t answer any of my questions though can you genius?

Anonymous

Vulture capitalism example: Baker’s Square Restaurants
Baker’s Square, a restaurant/real estate co, was originally built with corporate not only owning all the business, but also all the real estate the stores were built on. Come the vulture capitalists: they sell all the real estate and lease back the locations to the company, pay themselves big bonuses for the realized capital gains on the land, then they sell the company. Lease prices increase slowly. We get the Bush recession, the restaurant business generally declines. Baker’s Square (Vicorp) goes in to bankruptcy because of unreasonable leases, dozens of stores close because of inability to renegotiate the leases, and then sit empty for years. Hundreds loose jobs.

Anonymous

While a lucky, crooked few bank millions.
Anonymous

Quote: “Baker’s Square, a restaurant/real estate co, was originally built with corporate not only owning all the business, but also all the real estate the stores were built on. Come the vulture capitalists: they sell all the real estate”

How did said capitalists obtain the property to lease it back to the business, if it was exclusively owned by the business in the first place? I fail to see the connection there.

Anonymous

The co was purchased by the venture capitalists, they sold all the real estate, then sold the co. Before they bought it, it was a restaurant/real estate co, when they sold it, it was only restaurant business.

Anonymous

I see no problem with what they did then, since they voluntarily purchased the property and its owners voluntarily agreed to sell it to them. No force or fraud was used, therefore it was a perfectly acceptable transaction.

Anonymous

Then you probably see no problem with BHO borrowing $1.7T per year – its perfectly legal and the peoples representatives in congress approve it.

In bankruptcy, Vicorp closed every restaurant in which it could not renegotiate the lease, even high traffic ones. My guess is that the leases contained unreasonable escalation clauses. So the property buyers got fleeced too by being sold unreasonable lease payment growth expectations. Yes it was all legal, including the bankruptcy. Was it ethical? No. Could the blow up be predicted – probably. Could the US govt bankruptcy be predicted at the current rate – Yes. Legal does not mean ethical.

Anonymous

I ate at Baker’s Square a few times in Sacramento and I can honestly say that
Baker’s Square went bankrupt because their food was awful and the service spotty at best. Blame the evil corporation all you want but they were not the people thinking up the crimes against digestion that those restaurants serve. They are terrible and that equals failure.

Anonymous

I don’t endorse their food, especially the current offering, but it did help put my 4 kids thru college with $15/hour jobs as servers. (Tip: big smiles make you lots of money)

Anonymous

Great Post! Others will say that the PEGs were capitalist champions for their investors but in this case there are two bankruptcies Financial and moral.

Anonymous

I think Rush and others are going to be surprised at how many conservatives, not to mention independent voters, agree with vulture capitalist criticism of Romney/Bain.

The idea the Romney/Bain would load a company up with excessive debt for the purpose of paying themselves an exorbitant fee, then bankrupt the company, killing jobs and reneging on pension promises, is reprehensible. Any political philosophy that accepts such a practice, that fails to condemn it openly, is unworthy of support.

Anonymous

Ask yourself how Bain got into these companies in the first place. When your answer comes back as duh, I don’t know, consider the source.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Usually these companies are brought to the brink by union demands. The Unions suck them dry waaaay out into future and the owners say, HELP! That’s when Bain shows up and says, hello, what can we do for you?

Are Union tactics, behaviors, the raping of companies, towns, cities and states and their singular support of democrats ok with you?

This post of yours is a pile of horsefeathers. Giddy-yap is what it is.

StNikao

Rush should call the unions Castro or better yet, Obama.
Anonymous

I’m dead set against the gross excesses of public sector unions. Private sector unions are a mixed bag–some of it really terrible.

But that has nothing to do with extracting several hundred percent of ‘investment’ returns, up front, in cash, by borrowing just to pay yourself a ‘profit’, and thereby destroying a business and the pensions that were promised and relied upon by working men and their families.

By your reasoning, we as as a nation should trumpet the virtues of a system by which a small group can get together and say, ‘hey, you know.., if we wreck this company (which took decades to build) by intentionally overloading it with debt just to pay ourselves a quick huge cash profit up front, ha, ha,… and destroy those 100s of dumb workers’ pensions,… we can pocket millions and millions for ourselves!’

I will guarantee you that broad public sentiment will always favor the workers in a case like that. And if Republicans don’t address the real problems with our current system, they will lose a lot of future and present voters–and will lose them for a couple of generations at least.

Anonymous

You’re not paying attention. How and why was Bain involved in the first place?

Anonymous

You are avoiding the issue. The issue is the fact that Romney/Bain extracted an eyebrow-raising amount of funds, right at the very beginning of their tenure, via borrowing, to pay unusually high investment profits!! (go ahead, let that sink in a minute)…. (its OK, I’ll wait)…. That very act, highly questionable and imprudent as it appears to have been, is, by any reasonable analysis the proximate and most likely precipitate cause of the slide into bankruptcy.

Nobody compelled them to cash out several 10s of millions of dollars, and it appears unjustifiable.

If that’s a model we are going to promote in a presidential candidate, and in a political party, in the long run, we’ll lose.

Amy

But some in this country DO trump the virtues of a system by which a small group can get together and basically ruin a company. They are called unions. I wonder how many of those companies that were in trouble were union? And how many of those people were willing to negotiate their benefits and salaries in order to keep the company solvent? I come from a heavily unionized state (think fleeing Senators…) and it seems that no matter how many times a company asks to negotiate, the workers scream ‘No way’. Okay, fine, they aren’t willing to make concessions or lose any benefits. Where do you get the capital from? Companies like Bain…

Or… you could have a POTUS that decides your company is too big to fail and makes us tax payers bail out the heavily loaded benefit plans, promised pensions and bloated payroll. Is that the alternative? I’ll take private enterprise anyday of the week over the government spending MY money to bail out who they see fit.

Anonymous

Amy, I don’t believe this was a case of toxic lending–Bain was not a lender, they were actively on the lookout for companies to buy. As soon as they took over, they borrowed a large sum against the company’s physical assets and took virtually all of that amount out in cash as a bonus to themselves merely for buying the company and being Bain…. We may find some of what unions do distasteful or misguided but its impossible to justify the short-term dubious-practices mega-profiteers over the rank and file blue-collar working men and their families who had 15-30 years of pension contributions wiped out. The main point here is that it appears the cause of the company’s final decline was the highly unusual extraction of cash the moment Bain took over, and the huger-than-huge ‘profits’ appear to have essentially come right straight out the workers’ pension fund…. If Bain had not extracted such a huge amount of cash the moment they took over the company (for what purpose?), the pensions would certainly be intact, and the business might be in operation…

Anonymous

does the term “Leverage Buy out” ring any freaking bells at all with you??? In many cases these companies where taking over in a hostile fashion. Now, justify that. Forcing a company into compliance as you milk every dime you can from them. Your post is a pile of horsesh$t and you know it. If not your as ignorant as you sound.
Front loading a company with debt and then siphoning off those funds to make you and your millionair buddies richer while dumping the workforce on the backs of the taxpayers to support unemployment, food stamps and medicaid benefits is the last thing we should be celebrating much less supporting as a presidential candiate.

Anonymous

The phrase is “Leveraged Buy Out”. Please consult a financial dictionary. (There’s a “d” in the word, which you’ve omitted in your every use of it.)

Perhaps you would get further by refraining from your childish name calling.

Anonymous

Perhaps your right. Though based on our interactions I would guess you should spend your time as an english teacher. At least your right some of thing correcting peoples grammar. Saddly the same can’t be said for your political arguments.

Anonymous

yes, “saddly”, it can’t.

http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

Kind of like all those who mortgaged there house when housing bumped up and then went bankrupt when they lost their jobs? It’s not their fault. But they made hundred’s of thousands of dollars from the transaction.
Anonymous

I believe the Christian Conservatives will support Perry’s comments on vulture capitalism as they have a moral and ethical basis.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/an-election-year-dawns-without-keith-olbermann/?src=tp Unicon

It bought Perry and addition 30 seconds of fame…

Sad to see him go out on that kind of note

Anonymous

You misspelled unicorn… and Perry isn’t going out on this note. Worst case scenario he is still the governor of my proud state. Frankly I will be happy to have him back. Weap for the rest of you though.

Anonymous

The word is spelled, “weep”.

I think Hooked on Phonics is running a special. You should take advantage of it before the offer expires.

Anonymous

Do you actually have anything other than you “thumb type like crap” to say? I guess the fact that your now having to attack my mistypes and spelling errors says it all huh. Your without facts, without arguments and having to resort to pathetic “hooked on phonics” digs to try and salvage your self respect. This is a political website right??

Anonymous

Oh, I’m sorry. I thought this was the Mirriam-Webster discussion forum. My mistake.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

‘Hooked on Phonics’, should be italized. Pan calling the kettle black. Looks like you lose, by example.

Anonymous

In other news, Rick Perry, the Fidel Castro governor of Texas, is creating more tech jobs in Houston than are being created in San Jose, aka Silicon Valley.
http://www.bizjournals.com/houston/morning_call/2012/01/Houston-stomped-silicon-valley-in-2011-t.html

That’s how you do it Romney!
Anonymous

Few people realise that the primary reason for this confusion over capitalism is because people (such as Rick Perry) do not realise that the moral code behind capitalism is egoism (or rational egoism) and NOT altruism.

People are in business to make profits; NOT to operate businesses as charities and then take losses for the sake of “needy people”.

Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich are effectively saying that Bain Capital should have “sacrificed itself for the sake of the workers” by continuing to operate companies that it did not want to operate, and forfeit profits that it could have by closing the company and doing other things instead. Both of these men are preaching altruism despite it being utterly incompatible with capitalism, and people sense this incompatibility in their statements, despite not understanding the root cause. This is just one example of this incompatibility being clear for all to see.

http://www.davemacleod.net/ dmacleo

if they did sacrifice themselves they could be held legally liable too. people forget that part.

Anonymous

I’m sure their shareholders would have a thing or two to say about it.

Anonymous

No. What is being said is that it is unacceptable to take a 300% profit out up front, via unrealistically debt-loading a struggling company, and then stiffing the workers by eliminating their pensions when the inevitable result of the debt-loading hits the fan.

If that is ‘capitalism’, who is stupid enough to play the role of worker/chump? An ever-decreasing number of people, any way you slice it.

The first and highest fiduciary duty should’ve been to the workers who had been promised pensions, and the second should’ve been to the continuing viability of the company as a going concern. The indefensible up front extraction of cash from the business should be seen (in the future, if not in the past) as a breach of fiduciary duty.

Anonymous

Just how did the union “negotiate” these pension benefits? How do unions usually “negotiate” pension benefits, wage increases, the inability to get fired etc.?

They do it by extortion. By striking. By shutting a company down if it doesn’t agree to their demands. By usurping the ownership of said company without the accompanying liability. By parasitic means. What kind of responsibility is that? Fiduciary or otherwise?

Yes, the workers are “chumps” to goosestep to Union demands of them. The Unions are great at destroying the jobs of their workers, just as soon as they suck the company dry.

Your selective outrage smells like a bunch of sweaty Sumo wrestlers crapping on a pile of burning tires.

Anonymous

Capitalism is not a cosmic absolute. Limits must be defined which promote the common good. Just as our founding fathers understood that limits, checks and balances are necessary in government–limits, checks and balances on the corrupt tendencies of individuals. Do people really think these are not needed in capitalism–all capitalism is automatically good, regardless of the results, and not subject to refinement or correction?

Conservatives will lose a lot of people/voters on this ‘vulture capitalist’ issue. And if Romney gets the nomination it will remain altogether salient all the way throught the 2016 election, at least….

Anonymous

Vultures eat dead carcasses, not live businesses. It’s a dumb argument and feeds into the current socialism that is running rampant in this nation.

Anonymous

That’s three today. I’m going home to soak my head.
Anonymous

If its dead,…there’s no profit to be made.

If you can extract 10s upon 10s of millions of dollars out up front, with the subsequesnt result that the business fails, and the pensions are totally underfunded,…. it wasn’t dead, but you killed it…

That’s not capitalism per se, and it will be an increasingly focused-upon problem, and one on which the defenders thereof will never attract a majority of voters.

I’m calling it ‘vulture capitalism’. You can call it whatever you want, but it remains indefensible, and a huge long-term vote loser.

StNikao

I just wrote Rush:

“Unions = Castro
Obama = Castro
Romney/Bain = Sherman’s march through GA
Perry, TX = jobs growth, thriving, growing economy
PS – You owe Newt apology. You are also using ‘language of the left’ – labeling is #1 Alinsky leftist tactic.”

You can email him too = ElRushbo@EIBnet.com

Anonymous

So once Perry drops out I assume you’ll be voting for Maobama with your anti capitalist rants?

Also, Perry is quite the hypocrite. He tried to buy Iowa spending over $800 a vote while Santorum spent $1.65.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Sorry Neeew Haammpshire, you only get 2% say so at convention. As to your math, ‘F’. Do not take ‘math models’. you can’t handle it.

Anonymous

that’s all we have now is insane regulations on business. DOn’t we have enough already???

You Perry Shills sound just like Maobama crying over this!!!
Anonymous

Quote: “Limits must be defined which promote the common good”

The common good is a good which must necessarily apply to EVERYONE, and not just for some at the expense of others.

The only limits are those against force and fraud. Everything else is permitted under capitalism. Or at least, that’s how it would be, if we had capitalism.

Anonymous

People are in business to make profits; NOT to operate businesses as charities and then take losses for the sake of “needy people”. (Your second paragraph)

This is exactly what the government is forcing insurance companies to do. Work at a lose for those that can’t or won’t pay themselves.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

I could go on and on, but Mike, stores are to make ‘money’. Money to pay employees, money for investors. not to strip assets. Insurance companies are gamblers. They will bet you live long, and not get sick. Government intervention, destroys any country.

Persephone

“Crony Capitalism”

This is a phrase that the left coined years ago, to demonize capitalism.

A well known lady in Alaska accused Perry of engaging in this.
Since then, new life has been breathed into this old phrase…and I hear/see conservatives using it.
They are playing into the hands of those who seek to kill capitalism, every time they use this phrase.

Cronyism has been around forever.
It is not unique to capitalism.
In fact…it flourishes under socialism and communism moreso than any other form of government.

But I’m not hearing or seeing anyone condemning the use of this old liberal phrase, Crony Capitalism….for ‘helping the left’.

“Vulture Capitalism”…?
Well, it’s true isn’t it?
Swooping in and feasting on the bones of an ailing, dying company…is exactly what some venture capitalists do.
It sucks, but it’s true.
It’s what Bain Capital did.
This is the sort of activity that gives capitalism a black eye.
So Romney should take responsibility for it, and defend it.
It’s better that this is coming out now…than in the general, which it will, if Romney is our nominee.

Anonymous

I love ya’ Perse, but this post is pure BS.

Anonymous

I think you are very lost brother. If you cant see the problem with a presidential candidate who was born filthy rich engaging in these types of activities. I fear you are beyond redemption.

Anonymous

“Can’t” has an apostrophe in it.

Anonymous

Thank you… Stupid has a U in it.
http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

I cain’t belif wha I jus red. Typos? Gee, I must be inthe wrong forum.

Anonymous

We should be CELEBRATING what Romney achieved at Bain Capital, NOT trashing him for it. If you have any understanding of what capitalism implies, then you will join me in that celebration, because it goes to the core of what it means to be an American (respect for property rights and the pursuit of happiness).

StNikao

Personally, I equate what Romney did to the communities he left high and dry to what Sherman did to the South. (I’m from GA)

In every small town, there are empty buildings and empty big boxes left by his brand of investor/not-management type businessmen.

The responsible, compassionate and honorable thing to do would be to find and install some other business/industry to fill those buildings and jobs and keep those small towns healthy and prosperous.

His profit-first scorched earth style does not bode well for our country.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Like a bolt out of the blue. thank you.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778650506 Tony Lee

I disagree, as Romney’s actions at Bain were NOT capitalism, but instead MERCANTILISM, something most folks wrongly call “crony capitalism”, which Limbaugh has himself railed against.
Anonymous

Of course you would celebrate someone profiting directly from the misery of others. That is just who you are.

Anonymous

Guess we need the gov’t picking winners and losers.. like Perry did with the Emerging Technology Fund for Convergen Life Sciences.

Anonymous

Think you will do better with this argument huh? Just sad…. Really sad… You make all these accusations and when your challenged you change the subject. Now who’s acting like a leftist???

Anonymous

I celebrate people pursuing their happiness, and if that means that I’m considered immoral by some people, then those people can go to hell.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Gotcha! Not a real American idea. I guess GW was wrong. No men are created equal. Go run down a pediestrian.

Anonymous

Quote: “Go run down a pediestrian”

If you’re claiming that I advocate that, then you’ve ignored the part where I mentioned the non-initiation of force/fraud against other human beings. I’m pretty damn sure running down a pedestrian is an initiation of force!

Anonymous

But you don’t consider taking over a company in a leveraged buy out, borrowing millions against that company’s credit and equipment. Using those millions to pay your organization management fees. Repeating the process until the company is unable to borrow anymore, can’t pay it’s bills and can’t make its payroll. Then dumping the workforce on the backs of taxpayers for unemployment, food stamps and Medicaid benefits while you and your rich buddies make off with tens of millions unethical? I mean come on even an abortion supporting atheist must have some moral center?

Anonymous

If any company borrows until it can’t pay its bills and can’t make its payroll, then it deserves to go under and for its assets to be reallocated to more productive and profitable uses by companies which specialize in it. THAT is justice. The only problem is that there is a government pension safety net, a food stamp safety net and a medicaid safety net, but that is the fault of the government for putting those things there in the first place for people to be snared into and taxpayers to be forced to pay for, rather than those people relying on their own private safety nets whenever they’re out of work or are entering retirement.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=778650506 Tony Lee

Rush is wrong on this one. Perry used the wrong word to describe a dangerous practice. It’s not “vulture capitalism” (however I’m sure Perry has heard many in the Austin startup scene use the term), it’s MERCTANTILISM and that is a dangerous thing, my friends. Rush is beating him up over a poor selection in vocabulary…something Rush defended GWB for throughout his administration.
Anonymous

Hi.

I’ve never posted here before.

I just got this in my email from RushLimbaugh.com:

From the article:

Rush: You just don’t, if you are the leader in the race for the Republican nomination, come out and give tacit approval to the government takeover of General Motors and Chrysler and then compound that by saying: Hey, what I did is no different. I was trying to save the businesses.

(snip)

I don’t know how you say this. You’ve just accepted the premise of the Newt and Perry criticism! You just accepted the premise with this comment to CBS today, and you’re trying to blunt the criticism and saying, ‘Well, I’m no different than Obama.” Mitt, would you take over General Motors and Chrysler if you’re president, is that what you’re saying?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/01/11/are_you_sitting_down_romney_compares_his_career_at_bain_capital_to_obama_s_takeover_of_the_auto_industry

Rush says this is from The Hill and he hasn’t seen it anywhere else so he can’t absolutely verify it’s credibility. But he’s treating it as though it’s true. And according to some other quotes he has from Romney (in the article), it could very well be.

Did Romney just commit political suicide?

Anonymous

God, I hope so.

Anonymous

Me too!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

Thanks for posting that politicalnewbie,

LOL Hey Rush! Good luck trying to defend this plastic politician,

Mitt Romney the face of Capitalism, as Mark Levin said “You’ve gotta be kidding me!” Yeah Obama will be the Vulture Socialist licking his chops… I wish every Republican would run away from Romney.

StNikao

Wonder how much Rush got paid for sticking that ugly name on Perry?

Talk about using the “language of the left” – Rush owes Newt and Perry an apology.

Labeling is the most frequent leftist language – a classic Saul Alinsky tactic.

Anonymous

“Labels do not make arguments.”
– Spock, U.S.S. Enterprise
Anonymous

Are you kidding?

Did Rush make Perry and Newt bash capitalism??

No Newt and Perry used the leftist talking points to attack Mittens over Bain.

Rush is doing is job by exposing them and speaking the truth.

Anonymous

you are confused so badly it would seem that words can no longer help you.

Anonymous

That reads like a fortune cookie.

Anonymous

LOL… well I guess the ultimate test of that would be adding the phrase “in bed” to it right?

Anonymous

“Making a buck under any circumstances.” There are some circumstances that I could not condone making money from (eg.selling illegal drugs,gun running, providing abortions). Only two of these are illegal, but I would not condone making a profit from the third. So, although I would defend someone’s right to make a profit from abortion, I would not celebrate it. There are circumstances where even though a profit can be made, it may not be the right thing to do. I don’t agree with Perry regarding venture capital firms, however equating Perry with Castro, that was a bridge too far.
john smith

I have finally seen here that there are way more gingrich perry nutjobs than Ron paul nutjobs so lets get this straight whats your idea of capitalism Fannie mae and Freddie mac. To hell with all you progressive sour grapes recycled obama talking points sycophants, our capitalist system is far more important than your shameless butt licking . I will not respond to any of you phoneys execpt to say drop dead commies !

Anonymous

Who are you addressing?
Anonymous

Well said.

It really says alot about people.

Conservative principles and capitalism should be the top priority, not defending your guy at all costs.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

That’s fine Rush but Romney is showcasing his private sector experience at Bain Capital as proof as a job creator but he’s not, he’s a corporate profit maker and no problem with that but be honest about it, that’s the problem I have with Romney, he’s fake, he’s not a capitalist he’s a corporatist, just be honest about it.

Anonymous

Staples employs approximately 90,000 people all by it’s lonesome!

All of those brick and morter stores didn’t build themselves either did they?

Joseph ewing

Venture Capitalists risk money. Sometimes they lose a large percentage of their investment. You will never hear about these stories.

Sometimes they win big, like the much bandied about Bain story.

Such stories will be repeated ad nauesum.

Without Venture Capital our economy would recess dramatically.

But it’s more fun to call them names.
Anonymous

Perhaps, if we had the truth about what Bain did all argument would cease, but we won’t get it because the establishment and media both are protecting Romney like they did Obama. Mitt has yet to release his financial records but is anyone calling for it?

To the Bain story: there is not much difference between what Obama has done in the public sector with GM and Solyndra than what Romney did in the private sector. There is a very similar mindset here if you are willing to look beyond the surface. Picking winners and losers is not the way to run a government but this is the way Mitt ran his business, so what is to stop him as president?

Another point: how will the average American see Bain? In an election where the economy and jobs are the main focus how will voters look at what Mitt did at Bain? He has touted his business experience, so it is fair game to ask will voters think he has created jobs or lost jobs?

Final point: why put someone forward as a nominee and have these questions asked, let alone unanswered. Nominate someone else and win. It’s that easy.
Anonymous

Perry and Gingrich have now shown their true anti-capitalist colors. Neither one can now claim to be the true conservative in this race. The field is thinning rapidly folks.

Anonymous

Anti-Capitalistic?

“The Texas Story Is Real ”
http://www.newgeography.com/content/002448-the-texas-story-is-real

Not a true conservative?

“Perry Trumps Gingrich, Santorum as Top Conservative Standing”
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/nancy-pfotenhauer/2012/01/11/perry-trumps-gingrich-santorum-as-top-conservative-standing

StNikao

Would like to ask Perry –

Does Texas have regulations on Unions to keep them from ruining industries and making them vulnerable to vulture groups like Bain?

Did Bain leave any Texas communities without jobs?

Anonymous

Texas is a right to work state. It’s one of the reasons many companies have moved here.

I don’t know if Bain conducted any business in Texas. They might have focused in the northeast.

Anonymous

I was going to say “And don’t forget Huntsman”, but of course you forgot him.

Anonymous

I just watched the entire 30 minute video, and of course it all plays on your emotions. It doesn’t explain anything; it makes it sound like Bain bought companies that were not in any trouble and liquidated them.

For one second, they showed a newspaper headline about the plant closing its doors, but it said after the union negotiations broke down.

The narrator never mentioned unions or why the companies needed Bain’s money.
Anonymous

Wow! Wow! Woweee!

I’m living in a parallel universe. Caught in a wormhole. Something.

Conservatives mimicking lefties.

Seacrest out!
http://fishygov.wordpress.com FishyGov

Venture Capital is about making money.

Hotdog vendors sell their hotdogs for profit.

Caveat emptor Sit FARCIMEN
http://fishygov.wordpress.com FishyGov

We really need to draft some of these conservative talk radio show hosts. They seem to be the only public figures who are the real deal.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_V2DBN3EEUPJPKG3ZYM6YSQGRIM John Bohler

we did, his name was Herman Cain and look what the lamestream media did

Anonymous

Perry is right and Rush is defending his job, BAIN owns Rush his show and his soul.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/11/in-rush-to-attack-ben-smith-blows-it-on-limbaughs-bain-disclosure-video/

Anonymous

Wow, some of you Perry supporters will stop at no lengths to defend Perry. You sound like a Paulbot or Obamabot thinking your guy can do no wrong.

Perry is out there like Hugo Chavez attacking capitalism trying to smear Mittens.

Mittens is a terrible candidate and there’s so much to criticize him for. You can start with ROmneycare but instead you have Perry and Newt sounding like Maobama.

Santorum has remained true to his principles and refused to bash ROmney over Bain. Santorum is beng a capitalist, he is the candidate who truly deserves the support of conservatives.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4UX5IMCQLMMNCCKQUWML6KN6NA Mark

Santorum 2012!
Anonymous

Criticism of Perry is that his comments went too far. But comparing Perry to Hugo Chavez or Fidel Castro is not going too far?

As I asked before…

Anyone else find it ironic that the governor of the state with the best economy and one of the most business friendly environments is being accused of being anti-capitalistic?

If anyone is making an arse of himself, it’s the person throwing extreme labels out there like “anti-capitalistic” when he knows it’s not true.

Santorum didn’t join for what could be several reasons:
1. He had already heard negative feed when Newt and Perry stepped forward.
2. His lack of private sector experience means he has no clue what to think.
3. He is a coward and thought saying nothing was the safest route.

Don’t try and tell me Santorum is above all this. He had no problem making judgments on Newt’s personal life vis-a-vis his multiple marriages.

Anonymous

Perrybot,

All I know is I’m a free market conservative. I’m willing to rally behind the best conservative who can beat Mittens.

The last thing I want is Mittens to get the nomination.

However to sound like Maobama attacking him is pathetic. Newt and Perry should be ashamed of themselves.

That’s not how conservatives act. Santorum deserves our support for not joining in on this garbage. Yet, you try to find a way to criticize him for it.

You appear to have no principles, you’ll do anything to defend Perry.

Anonymous

Perrybot is a badge of honor and I wear it proudly.

Anonymous

Labels are not arguments.

Anonymous

I’ve been defending Perry and to an extent Newt. Read my messages.

Please provide a quote from Perry that is anti-capitalism.

Anonymous

Really??? Thats your big attack? Mimicking Rush? Problem formulating new thoughts?
Hears a query.
Please provide a link to a credible source that proves anything Perry has said about Romney and his business practices is false.
Please provide your rational for describing Perry questioning Romney’s CHOSEN business practices is an attack on capitalism.
I doubt you get this but Perry is questioning Romneys Character. The guy is running for president after all. Unlike Perry Romney was born rich, he could of made money doing just about anything. So I think it is more than fair to question his decision to purchase companies through a leverage buy out. Front load these companies with debt by burrowing against the companies credit and equipment. Siphon these funds off and throw the company and employees into bankruptcy. If you dont see any problem with a candidate for President engaging in this kind of business. Well I guess that more than anything else describes the difference between us.

Anonymous

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Anonymous

Busy looking for what someone thinks you should say next no doubt. Poor little drone cant think for himself??
http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

I am with you, for entirely different reasons. Sanity has left the building.

Anonymous

So Perry is above all criticism.

It’s ok to attack someone for being a CEO, for firing people, for making too much money.

You’re an embarrassment.

Anonymous

Well if Perry had made the claims you have charged him with I would agree with you. He didn’t however, you disgrace yourself and all other conservatives with your lies. It is bad enough that you have to distort his record to make your candidate look better but when you resort to outright lies you embarrass us all.

http://twitter.com/cfallon57 Cheryl Fallon

The only reason they can do this is because the company is NOT GENERATING what it needs-no venture capitalist ever forces itself on a company-companies look for venture capitalists because banks do not deem them worthy of a loan.

Bain made money when the company couldn’t. The business was going to go out anyway, BAIN gave them-the people at the company more paychecks-they bought some more time for the people.

Some capitalists are better at making money than other capitalists.

Anonymous

Spoken like every drug dealer every caught right? If I didn’t sell it to them they would just buy it from someone else. Your right, that clears Romney right up. We shouldn’t expect our candidate’s to have a moral code or anything. We shouldn’t expect them to be an example of how business should be done. If you can make a quick buck, know matter who it hurts you should do it. Guess that’s your general message here?

Anonymous

WOW some of you Perry hater’s will stop at no length to smear Perry. You sound like a Paulbot or Obamabot thinking this guy can do no right.

Your probably not bright enough to catch the difference but Perry smeared Romney and his character not capitalism. Don’t guess there is much point in trying to explain the difference to someone who can’t comprehend that Romney isn’t in fact the embodiment of the capitalist system.

What principles is Santorum remaining true to this week? Spending? Ear marks, we all know how proud he is of those… Voting with democrats against Right to Work measures, you know how much he loves the unions. Or is he still trying to convince the weak minded that serving in the senate is the same as serving in the military? Perhaps he is out making the case that being a senator counts as Executive experience again?

Anonymous

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Anonymous

Rush made full disclosure of his ties to Bain. Please dispense with the cliches about Rush’s soul being owned. It doesn’t bolster your argument.

Anonymous

Oh OK that makes it ok to lie then….. Your right, he did say “Hey this guy is buying my house and clothes but don’t let that distract you from the fact that I am going to call Perry Castro for questioning Romney’s character.” Yeah I can see why that would be your argument. You really put me in my place there. I may never recover and by the way I agree with you 100% now. Thanks for setting me straight.

Anonymous

We complain about how long the primary process is, but we really get to see what these guys are made of. Here, we see Perry (and Newt) adopting the class warfare rhetoric of the Left, just to score points against Romney. What a shame. I used to like them both. At least we’re finding out now. Maybe they should say that stuff to the Occupy Wall Street crowd, it doesn’t play well with conservatives who understand capitalist principles, like creative destruction.

Anonymous

Please explain how questioning the business practices of Romeny amount to class warfare?

Anonymous

The broader premise is about rich people hurting “the little guy” by taking his job. This is grist for Unions and the Left in general. They will never get into a nuanced discussion about how these companies needed to take austere measures to get healthy, nor about the risk that Bain took on in its endeavor to secure a future for these companies.

Anonymous

Don’t use terms like “the broader premise”, we both know you are not capable of abstract thinking. We both know (or you should) that Bain capital took tens of millions out of these companies as they bankrupted them. So the basic premise that they were trying to save them is BS. Only a fool (guess you could believe it) would believe that they front loaded a company with borrowed debt and then siphoned off those borrowed dollars is an attempt to save the company. Perhaps you should retire over to the Zone and play tic tac toe, that seems to be more your speed.

Steve Andrews

What are the moral and political assumptions behind the questions? Does the questioner assume the right to tell the owner of the money how to spend it? Or the owner of the business whether it is the best use of his capital? Go start your own fkg business and run it successfully for 15 or 20 years and then go stick your nose in someone else’s business and maybe they’ll bust it for you.

Anonymous

The political assumption is not an assumption at all. Mitt Romney IS running for president and has made his tenure at Bain capitol a center piece of his campaign. The moral assumption is the character of a presidential candidate. It is more than fair to question why Mitt Romney who is touting his job creation experience chose to earn tens of millions liquidating companies and dumping the workforce on the backs of the taxpayers.

Anonymous

Rush has lost his anchor recently.

Talk about killing the messenger.

Anonymous

No, he hasn’t. His anchor is conservative principle. And he’s calling ‘em as he sees ‘em in light of principle. He is not carrying water for the GOP establishment.
Steve Andrews

Nope. Perry and Newt have lost their minds.

Ryan / Rubio 2012!

Anonymous

Nope he is carrying the water for the guy who owns his contract.
Anonymous

Please provide a link to a credible source that demonstrates Perry suggested that:
A. Romney was breaking the law.
B. Legislation he is proposing to regulate this market.
C. Laws that he is promoting to pass in regards to these practices.
You are frankly it is you who dont know the facts. Possibly like every other liberal. In fact I doubt you can tell me a single charge governor Perry has made without looking it up first. People like you are pathetic, it is so sad that we dont require some sort of civics test to weed out the morons before allowing them to vote.

Anonymous

Here’s a charge that Perry made: He accused Romney of hiring illegals in one of the early debates. We were expecting to hear that they brazenly employed a maid in their home for years. Nothing of the sort. It turns out illegals that “might” have worked for Romney’s lawn service. The accusation was lame and thin, but Perry leveled it at Romney twice in the debate and looked might foolish doing so. Does anyone else remember this? Embarrassing, right?

Anonymous

Actually Perry quoted a Boston Globe article. Romney had been informed that he had illegals working on his property. A year later the reporter followed up and found that Romney still had the same illegals working on his property. When faced with this hypocrisy in the debate Romney blamed his landscape company claiming it was their fault. He then stated that he had told the company “He couldn’t have illegals working for him he was running for office for petes sake.” Yeah it was embarrassing for Romeny. He had been attacking Governor Perry for signing an instate tuition law excluding the fact that his signature healthcare law required taxpayer’s to pay for illegals health insurance and the fact that he had been caught with illegals working for him.

I think it is more embarrassing for you though. You have been all over this thread attacking governor Perry for questioning Romney’s character. When challenged to back up your claims this is all you can come up with? Romney had illegals working on his property? Do you feel any remorse for acting like a leftist in your dishonest attacks on the good governor of Texas?

Steve Andrews

Right. Romney’s gonna stand out on the lawn and check their green cards or he’s going to tell the lawn service to employ only legals on his property and then go do his job as investor or governor or whatever.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Gosh, a man mows your lawn, and can speak no english? And you pubically say, you are against illegal immigrants. give me a break! Maybe he is too busy getting his ashes raked.
Anonymous

We expect every other employer in America to. But Romney gets a pass huh? Bet you weren’t giving governor Perry a pass when you thought he was using tax dollars to pay for illegals to attend college. Bet you still said you hated him when you found out it wasn’t true. But hey Romney can pass legislation that requires tax payers to pay for illegals health insurance. He can have illegals working for him. He can attack his opponents with lies and distortions. He can flip flop and prove he is disingenuous. He can do anything he wants and if anyone says anything about him for it well he just calls out Faux News and his midget minions and they attack them relentlessly. He is white Obama

Anonymous

No response from the Perry shills.

No surprise. Just like there’s no defense for in state tuition for illegals and the gardasil mandate.

Amazing hearing so called conservatives sound like liberals defending this guy.

When someone gives legitimate criticism of Santorum I accept it. I know he’s not perfect unlike these Perrybots who think their guy walks on water.

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

I used to think NH was just small, so no big deal. Now, I see it is full of little people. Is it true you voted for the constitution, by saying present?

http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Embarrassing for Romney. I fell off the chair when Perry told the truth, Romney, you are part of the problem. In Texas, we are so used to this double talk, we see right thru ole Mitt. And, he still doesn’t get it. The USA doesn’t get it. Come on, Mike the marine. Lets go take care of the border problem. And, no, I refuse to go to NH to clean it up.

Steve Andrews

Right, sport. Only the educated elite should be allowed to vote. That’d be you and only you, I suppose. Perry lied when he called Bain Capital operations “vulture capitalism” — and Perry knew it, too. I used to like him but that’s over. Now he’s just flailing away like a madman and throwing the same bullshirt that Newt is.

Ryan / Rubio 2012!

Anonymous

Ok Sport. Please provide a link to a credible source that details the false statements Perry has made.
Perry has said absolutely nothing that isn’t factually accurate. YOUR OPINION is that he is wrong in his assesment. That doesn’t make him a liar. In MY OPINION your a dishonest hack. That also doesn’t make it fact. As to your educated elite comment, I doubt I would be the only one to pass a basic civic test. In fact I would bet 80 to 90% of Americans could tell you the basics of American government, not necessarily you, but most everyone else.

Anonymous

Polly want a cracker?

Rush: ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO!

Establishment: They’ll get behind our guy Romney so we’ll force him whether they like or not because they’ll vote ABO.

Rush: I don’t like the establishment forcing Romney. ABO! ABO! ABO! ABO!

Sorry but Rush is a nincompoop of late.
Anonymous

I can’t wait until SC when Perry falls flat on his face just like he did in Iowa.

He’ll finally have to drop out.

I wonder how many of his anti-capitalist shills will end up voting for the ultimate anti-capitalist in Maobama!

Anonymous

Mitt Romney In 2003: Denounces Classical Republican View On Corporations

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/01/11/mitt_romney_in_2003_denounces_classical_republican_view_on_corporations.html

Anonymous

I am very disappointed……
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VI2BKRGYMIIXVLIFADNB2HL3DQ Adam

Rush never addressed the substance of the charges. Why did Perry call Romney a “vulture capitalist”?

Steve Andrews

Because Perry flunked Economics 101.

Anonymous

Because some people dare to touch the GOP third rail and believe there is such a thing as irresponsible or unethical business behavior.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Dias/1680711668 Chris Dias

Rush is right!
Steve Andrews

David Astroturf Axelrod is writing Perry’s speeches now. If he can remember them, that is.
Steve Andrews

Hugo Chavez? Barak Hushpuppy OhBummer?
Steve Andrews

Alright, alla yew laaaydeees! In just a few short hours I’ll be nothing more than an old tumbleweed outward bound from Albookwirky, Nuevo Mejico, whispering down the middle of old Route 66 at 3:00AM, where the air is so clear that the stars shine right out at you from the edge of the horizon, and all of you lying, arrogant, greedy-for-the-unearned, bloodsxcking, tax-eating Democrat thugs and gangsters won’t amount to a hill of beans.
Steve Andrews

Ryan / Rubio 2012!
http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe

Rush, I have tried to tell you many times, you are not perfect. If fact you are only right about 90% of the time. Either you live in another world or I do. If you like those people who buy a company, just to strip it, you are not in my crowd. I have seen many companies stay in business for years, no profit, but the people had jobs. When you take the position at max profit, no matter what, you are clumped wiht Henry Ford, who started the union.
http://www.facebook.com/shepherdpeter Peter J Shepherd

Shame on you, Rush Limbaugh. You are owned by ClearWire Communications, which, in turn, is owned by Bain Capital. You discovered that Rick Perry would be a voice against the corruption in Wall Street and Washington, which you are part of, and now are tying to top his voice. It will not work. Rick Perry is here to say. Capitalism is not Corporatism, and Venture Capitalism is not Vulture Capitalism

Rush torches Perry: This is the way Fidel Castro thinks!

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