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Please check out this video on Orrin Hatch and Dan Liljenquist. It's very illuminating! http://youtu.be/uOdYLRgFSlU
In 1977, when Senator Hatch first took office, our national debt was .7 trillion dollars. Today, it is 15 trillion dollars more. Perhaps it is time for a fresh outlook. He obviously hasn't been effective in stopping the ever increasing debt. When he ran for office, he ran against Senator Frank Moss who had been in that office for 18 years. One of his main running points was that Moss had been there too long. He stated, "What do you call a Senator who’s served in office for 18 years? You call him home." Senator Hatch has been there twice as long as Senator Moss was. It's time to come home, Senator. Make way for some new blood.
Sarah Palin is no longer Sarah Palin. Dont know why but she Sold Out. Dont know how she sleeps at night. Shame On Her.
Sarah Palin is no longer Sarah Palin. She sold out. Why? I doubt we will ever know. Dont know how she sleeps at night.
In response to the false claims made earlier by those relying on FreedomWorks about the votes made by Senator Hatch:
The Real Facts About Senator Orrin Hatch's Conservative Record
http://www.orrinhatch.com/pdf/The_Real_Facts_About_Senator_Orrin_Hatchs_Conservative_Record.pdf
Also, for those who care to listen, Senator Hatch was interviewed after the endorsement by LaDonna Hale Curzon of Conservative Sarah Palin radio:
Sarah Palin Radio with guest Senator Orrin Hatch
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sarahpalinradio/2012/05/23/dd
Finally, Mark Levin, who previously endorsed Orrin Hatch in July, 2011 is spending a lot of time on his show this evening going through Hatch's record, etc.
During the course of his show this evening he said:
"You think Sarah Palin came to her conclusion to support Orrin Hatch recklessly? No. Sometimes you have to do the right thing, and this is the right thing."
- Mark Levin
I would encourage folks who want to learn more about the back story (including that Dick Armey, the head of Freedom Works is supportive of open borders) to listen to a replay of the show later this evening, if you are not listening live.
Thanks, John. Sarah's taking a lot of heat from folks who shoot first and and ask questions later. These responses are on many conservative web sites. C'mon people, do your homework.
People may also want to read this article to gain a better understanding of Liljenquist:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/04/why-orrin-hatch-isnt-going-anywhere-soon.php
Some relevant quotes:
“He’s never labeled himself a tea party [candidate],” Holly Richardson, his campaign chairwoman who resigned her own position in the Utah state house to run his campaign, told TPM. “He has been labeled a tea party candidate, but in fact, he’s a reality-based candidate. He feels like the reality is: We’re out of money.”
“He’s not an extremist, he’s a realist,” Richardson said of Liljenquist. “The so-called more moderate or more mainstream wing of the Republican Party has come to Dan and said, ‘My gosh, you’re not crazy.”
In response to the false claims made earlier by those relying on FreedomWorks about the votes made by Senator Hatch:
The Real Facts About Senator Orrin Hatch's Conservative Record
http://www.orrinhatch.com/pdf/The_Real_Facts_About_Senator_Orrin_Hatchs_Conservative_Record.pdf
Also, for those who care to listen, Senator Hatch was interviewed after the endorsement by LaDonna Hale Curzon of Conservative Sarah Palin radio:
Sarah Palin Radio with guest Senator Orrin Hatch
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/sarahpalinradio/2012/05/23/dd
Finally, Mark Levin, who previously endorsed Orrin Hatch in July, 2011 is spending a lot of time on his show this evening going through Hatch's record, etc.
During the course of his show this evening he said:
"You think Sarah Palin came to her conclusion to support Orrin Hatch recklessly? No. Sometimes you have to do the right thing, and this is the right thing."
- Mark Levin
I would encourage folks who want to learn more about the back story (including that Dick Armey, the head of Freedom Works is supportive of open borders) to listen to a replay of the show later this evening, if you are not listening live.
Orrin Hatch has served the state of Utah well. But, I do believe an infusion of some new blood in the Senate is needed.
As Mark said keep some elders around! You know I wasn't sure until I heard Orrin Hatch in action and his defense of Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork. I believe we will have other Supreme Court picks and we certainly need Orrin Hatch's leadership there an on the budgetary Committee. No one is perfect, and I am certainly not perfect and perhaps Sen. Hatch cast some votes that were really not conservative but he is no John McCain with his little gang of 7 or 8 or whatever. Sen. Hatch deserves to be Senator just on his defense of Conservative judges alone! I remember the Clarance Thomas hearing but I forgot about Sen. Hatch's defense. It was indeed awesome and a learning experience. I was revited by the hearing and glued to my television the entire time. But Mark reminded all of us why Sen. Hatch's experience is important. I apologize to Sen. Hatch for not remembering his role in this Great Republic.
As Mark said keep some elders around! You know I wasn't sure until I heard Orrin Hatch in action and his defense of Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork. I believe we will have other Supreme Court picks and we certainly need Orrin Hatch's leadership there an on the budgetary Committee. No one is perfect, and I am certainly not perfect and perhaps Sen. Hatch cast some votes that were really not conservative but he is no John McCain with his little gang of 7 or 8 or whatever. Sen. Hatch deserves to be Senator just on his defense of Conservative judges alone! I remember the Clarance Thomas hearing but I forgot about Sen. Hatch's defense. It was indeed awesome and a learning experience. I was revited by the hearing and glued to my television the entire time. But Mark reminded all of us why Sen. Hatch's experience is important. I apologize to Sen. Hatch for not remembering his role in this Great Republic.
I'll have to vigorously and vociferously disagree with Sarah the Great, on this one. I despise Booby Hatch, and hope he loses his job, sometime soon.
Sarah Palin officially throws her Tea Party creds under the bus, and proves she's just like all the rest.
I think that's a complete exaggeration and overreaction. I don't like Hatch, either, but I will admit he's done good in his past. There are things he's done (like try getting Congress into investigating college football) that I don't like, though, and want him gone for. Palin's looking into his record, and his ratio of good to bad is good enough for her. Nobody's perfect, certainly not Hatch, and not Palin, though I would trust her over Hatch, any day. I don't agree with her every position, just as I didn't agree with Reagan's, but I'd just as quickly vote for her for president, as I would Reagan. We're not as satisfied with Hatch as she is; just take it at that, and stop trashing her, because you don't agree with her decision. I like Michelle Malkin, too, and we both agree on Hatch, but I certainly don't agree with her every position, nor believe she's perfect in any way (except her looks).
Hatch is a 36 year member of the establishment. Enough is enough, it's time to move on. He has pulled the wool (once again) over the eyes of this group of commentators.
First, this is a warning. This is not the place for Ron Paul supporters to come bash Palin, and claim she's some sort of flaming leftist. Get over yourselves. I don't need to be doing "troll watch" duty just because some people are like Andrew Sullivan and can't move on.
Think about the actual topic. This is about strategy for taking over the Senate in November.
Look, no one is making the case that Hatch hasn't done some really dumb, totally non-conservative things in the past. Especially his trial balloon on changing the citizenship requirements of The Constitution in order to let "Arnold" run for President. Weird, eh?
But when you look at WHEN he's done them, it's usually been at a time when things were going alright (by and large) and he could play the game of trying-to-seem-relevant. CLUE: all politicians do this. All of them. Entertainers do it, media figures do it, artists do it. To stand out from the pack requires doing something that gets attention. Unfortunately some people do some really, really stupid things; like Colon Powell has done with his bizarre conversion to being an Obama sycophant.
But looking at Hatch's record, he's been conservative when it counts. Far more so than a guy like John McCain or Lindsey Graham. So I understand the reasons Palin and Levin have for staying with Hatch.
Besides, his opponent really isn't gaining a lot of traction, and there are more important battles to be fought (meaning, "places where you should send your money").
You all know I'm not really solidly behind Romney. Yet I've seen more and more people decide to hold their nose--AGAIN--and vote for him. (I've said I wouldn't, but... I might.) But I just can't see voting for Romney and throwing Hatch under the bus. If I had to choose between Hatch and Romney for President in November, I'd vote for Hatch faster than you can say something that doesn't take very long to say.
Tony J. Lee @TheTonyLee
With Palin's endorsement, conserv groups not gonna waste $$ in Utah, will put $$ to help Cruz (inHugeSt), who is future of conserv mvmnt.
https://twitter.com/#!/TheTonyLee/status/205327791212871680
Sometimes, as Mr. Lee did in this tweet, it also helps to look at the big picture.
While some are going nuts (and frankly acting very immaturely) over Governor Palin's endorsement of Orrin Hatch, (which should have come as no surprise, given what she said in August, 2011), she continues to fight for the constitution and liberty.
Governor Palin: Good Union Brothers and Sisters: Stand Up and Denounce This Thuggery
cronyism at its worst...Hatch needs to go, along with about 30 other "republican" senators.
At least we have one sure bet on Mr Orrin Hatch, the bet we Americans lost on Obama, first thing is the letter O in his first name doesn't stand for (O)bama, second thing, there is no (D) by his name that means dangerous dang wrong bunch in charge.
Mr Hatch is definitly not un-Ameican or a dark shadow subvert.
so short of a truly hard core Tea Party candidate run against Mr Hatch, theres not a lot to consider, Mr Hatch in 2011 did stand with the Tea Party, though a little late and he will be the Tea Party candidate by default.
If we Americans can not or will not trust the Tea Party Movement, Ms Palin, Levin, Hannity, Rush, and so others who have been in strong support of the Tea Party Movement in all of us working towards saving America for our families an their future, then who can we trust where do we go to be informed of the facts concerning the subverts of the Democrat party and the other leftist groups in charge of the media?
Liberty and Freedom is best protected by it's citizens, and should never bet on hope and change that sounds more like dictatorial behavior.
Tea Party Movment
Vote anyone but obama! uhm! uhm! uhm!
Loyalty is not a fault. How loyal were some of those who claimed to be Tea Party folks and got elected because she endorsed and campaigned with them? Rubio, Haley, Bachmann, and Perry come to mind. They all rolled over for Romney and the boys. Teams without the right mix of players never win. Is something up? Maybe, it's just the recognition that this is a marathon and not a sprint. I have no less trust in this woman today, than I had yesterday. Has Freedom Works always been in her corner? I don't think so!
I seldom disagree with Sarah but I do on this one...he has been in there too long and compromised too many times.
I certainly understand your point. It is so diffcult when my three favorite people, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin, and Michelle Maulkin disagree. But I absolutely have to side with Michelle Maulkin on this one. The only reason to side with Mark or Gov. Palin is becasue I am not sure who the next person is in line for the top position on bubget committee. If it is a RINO that who would be far worse than Orrin Hatch? Or it is somone like Ron Johnson who understands budgets and business and profit and loss and cannot be swayed by Washingon establishment and politics once they are there as Orrin Hatch appears to have done then I am fine with that. I have always liked Orrin Hatch but to be relevant Sen. Hatch should have been a Constitutional conservative and that is the issue. So I have to agree with Michelle Maulkin on this and if Sen. Hatch returns I hope he learns a lesson and operate conservatively.
The next person in line is Sen. Mike Crapo of Idaho. Interestinly, he's a Brigham Young University graduate.
Thank you, V.L.! I think its time for a change! I do think its interesting that he is a Brigham Young grad though!
She endorsed McCain also. She repays political debts. Who knows what relationship she has with Hatch. She is loyal to a fault
Endorsing McCain was also a mistake. Why would a conservative ever be indebted to a statist?
No, it most definitely was not a mistake. People floating that concept are looking more and more ridiculous every time it's trotted out. By now, even Obama's kids (and maybe the dog, too) understand why Palin did the right thing in supporting the person who brought her to the national spotlight.
While RS focused on one part of the interview, here is the headline over at Fox Nation:
Palin Blasts 'Absentee' Pres. Obama's 'Crony Capitalism on Steroids'
I hope Sarah asked and got the right answer.
Senator Hatch, What is your plan for balancing the budget Raising Taxes, or CUT SPENDING?
edit: and every time they try both, we end up with more spending and higher taxes.
What are the chances Hatch replied, "I'll propose cutting a trillion dollars in the first year, balancing the budget in three years, and completely eliminating the IRS"?
Big mistake, and of course she endorsed John McCain as well. Chris Matthews is right, she's a dope...
These "conservative" ratings people are mentioning obviously mean very little, when you consider Hatch voted for the Repeal the Fourth Amendment Act (AKA the "Patriot" Act), the Detain American Citizens Indefinitely Without Trial Act (AKA NDAA) and the Expansion of Unfunded Socialized Medicine Act (AKA Medicare Part D).
I could go on, but I won't. Why bother? Hannity, Levin, Palin...WTF?
The most popular is the ACU rating, and Hatch has a lifetime ACU rating of 90. But this is very misleading. Consider the following lifetime ratings:
Mitch McConnell - 90
Lindsey Graham - 89
Kay Bailey Hutchison - 90
Are these three staunch conservatives? Would you want them representing a state as red as Utah?
The National Taxpayers Union rating is a much better gauge of a congress member's fiscal conservatism, as it looks at all votes related to fiscal matters, as opposed to the ACU rating which looks at just 20 votes across the entire spectrum of issues.
Hatch's NTU:
http://www.ntu.org/on-capitol-hill/ntu-rates-congress/members/senate/orrin-hatch.html
Look at the rankings. Does that look like a leading conservative? Utah needs to do better than that.
No, Hatch does not look like a leading conservative by those NTU numbers. But this guy does:
http://www.ntu.org/on-capitol-hill/ntu-rates-congress/members/house/ron-paul.html
In fact, he ranked #1 in the entire House four times consecutively, and in the top 10 for the last 15 years in a row.
Sarah makes a nice case for Hatch, but...meh.
He's been in the Senate forever. That place needs new blood in the worst way. Way too many "old bulls."
I admit, however, to having no info whatsoever on Hatch's opponent
does Sarah stand by Hatch's terrible comments about the Tea Party in Utah??
Hatch also refuses to debate Liljenquist in any major venue
Hatch cosponsored horrible legislation with Teddy Drown 'em Kennedy
Hatch is big government, and has voted for many communists and socialists on our Courts.
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/08/05/i-oppose-orrin-hatchs-re-election/
Sarah is SO yesterday!
Hatch voted for TARP
Hatch voted for creation of Edukashun Dept
Hatch was for Bernanke, Ruth Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, two of the most Far Left Justices.
Hatch marched in lockstep with President
Obama to confirm Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner, Cass Sunstein and Eric Holder
Hatch voted FOR raising the debt limit 16 times
Hatch sponsored with Teddy Drown Em Kennedy SCHIP, national healthcare for almost all kids
Hatch voted for Medicare Part D, a 21.9 TRILLION DOLLAR UNFUNDED LIABILITY
SARAH HAS JUMPED THE SHARK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
www.freedomworksforamerica.org/system/.../OrrinHatchFacts_0.pdf
Palin jumped the shark for me when she said that Matt Lauer and Ann Curry are "awesome."
another intellectual heavyweight from C4palin.com whose entire audience is unable to reply with facts and reason to specific policies and actions by Palin that further socialism and anti-capitalism. She's not all bad and have never said as much, but she's not a Tea Party person anymore.
Still waiting for that Bus Tour to announce new stops!
If Republican win control of the Senate and Liljenquist wins the Utah senate seat, Sen Mike Crapo of Idaho would become a chairman of the precious Senate Finance Committee. Crapo has more conservative record than Hatch.
Yes, I want entitlement reform and want to start with Hatch feeling that he's entitled to the seat.
so YOU and LEVIN both
support candidates that vote for TARP, socialized medicine and federalization of local schools vs supporting candidates that DON'T support those big government actions...got it!
Not one Palin supporter can congently state in their own words a rebuttal that is factual to my specific issues that Hatch AND NOW PALIN supports.
I'm not a sockpuppet, I do my own thinking. Levin failed on this one.
Did you see my freedomworks link earlier? Overwhelming evidence Hatch is not acting in the best interests of freedom loving Americans. Epic Fail by anyone that endorses Hatch.
People need to look at the person's entire record.
Mark Levin Endorses Orrin Hatch For Senate (Full Interview)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0N2wiEi-w&feature=relmfu
Also, the "ontheissues.org" finds Orrin Hatch is a Hard-Core Conservative:
Orrin Hatch on the Issues
I guess Mark Levin must also be an idiot:
Hawaii sends Arizona verification of Obama's birth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX0N2wiEi-w&feature=relmfu
As Levin urges, people need to look at the entirety of Hatch's record.
so you support candidates that vote for TARP, socialized medicine and federalization of local schools vs supporting candidates that DON'T support those big government actions...got it!
Hatch voted for TARP
Hatch voted for creation of Edukashun Dept
Hatch was for Bernanke, Ruth Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer, two of the most Far Left Justices.
Hatch marched in lockstep with President
Obama to confirm Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner, Cass Sunstein and Eric Holder
Hatch voted FOR raising the debt limit 16 times
Hatch sponsored with Teddy Drown Em Kennedy SCHIP, national healthcare for almost all kids
Hatch voted for Medicare Part D, a 21.9 TRILLION DOLLAR UNFUNDED LIABILITY
SARAH HAS JUMPED THE SHARK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
www.freedomworksforamerica.org/system/.../OrrinHatchFacts_0.pdf
as my earlier link states, Hatch WILL NOT agree to a televised debate...he does not believe in giving the Tea Party principles a fair shake. Hatch received an endorsement by Arlen Specter...Palin and Specter..yeah, you go defend that Palin Supporters!
Her endorsement of McCain for re-election was bad enuff, (there was not a viable candidate running against McCain) but NOW there is a REAL JOB CREATOR and Tea Party candidate that many are united behind...and what does Palin do???
Go for the Establishment Candidate who is also endorsed by turncoat Specter.
Palin is now on the downside of the Bell Curve..she has helped many good people get elected BUT this one will be a watershed moment against her being considered a Tea Party politico..
Ah ... the usual nonsense from someone who does not have a clue.
People need to keep in mind the role of the Senate Finance Committee.
If Republicans win control of the Senate, Orrin Hatch will be the Chair.
Want a balanced budget?
Want tax reform?
Want entitlement reform?
These are matters that Orrin Hatch has vowed to address and make happen.
As to the charge about Hatch refusing to debate Liljenquist?
Classic attack line, but the facts are they had two debates prior to the April state party convention. They have appeared in numerous other joint capacities and Hatch has agreed to a radio debate.
P.S. FWIIW, the "on the issues" website rates Hatch as "hard core conservative."
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