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- http://twitter.com/gothicreader JW
“Don’t do unto others that you don’t want others to do unto you” and “two wrongs don’t make a right”. That said – what would the point be from the Pastor? Absolutely nothing. It’s pointless, childlike and quiet frankly ignorant. P.S. Maybe the Pastor might come out and say they won’t burn it because of Sarah request.
- http://twitter.com/gothicreader JW
“Don’t do unto others that you don’t want others to do unto you” and “two wrongs don’t make a right”. That said – what would the point be from the Pastor? Absolutely nothing. It’s pointless, childlike and quiet frankly ignorant. P.S. Maybe the Pastor might come out and say they won’t burn it because of Sarah request.
- http://twitter.com/gothicreader JW
“Don’t do unto others that you don’t want others to do unto you” and “two wrongs don’t make a right”. That said – what would the point be from the Pastor? Absolutely nothing. It’s pointless, childlike and quiet frankly ignorant. P.S. Maybe the Pastor might come out and say they won’t burn it because of Sarah request.
- Anonymous
He said the only thing that would stop him is prayer/ God. Let’s get busy!!
- B-Funk
Time for the Black Robe Regiment to do their thing…
- Anonymous
I’m glad she took this stand on it….
- Puma for Life
I frankly can’t see the big stink over something a church with 50 members is going to do. So what? It’s a free country. Nobody would even know about it if Petraeous wouldn’t have commented on it, which in my opinion, is just as idiotic as the book burners. Man, I suppose the attorney general will intiate an investigation of the minister and his 50 members…I am sorry, but I think the whole thing is really overblown.
- http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop
I don’t disagree that it is overblown. In fact it’s the MSM who’s pushed this and made it international, which is ironic, really, since they never defend Christians to this extent, or even remotely.
If this were a lefty group of atheists burning Qurans, for whatever reason, I doubt people would care so much. I would have never made it past an article on a blog.
- http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop
I don’t disagree that it is overblown. In fact it’s the MSM who’s pushed this and made it international, which is ironic, really, since they never defend Christians to this extent, or even remotely.
If this were a lefty group of atheists burning Qurans, for whatever reason, I doubt people would care so much. I would have never made it past an article on a blog.
- Puma for Life
And if this was a Muslim group burning Bibles……we would never no about it.
- Puma for Life
sorry, I meant know, not no….
- Guest
Lol, you also meant “if this were a Muslim group”
- Puma for Life
sorry, I meant know, not no….
- Anonymous
I agree with both you and Puma. If the MSM would not have sensationalized this event… come on, it’s only a church of 50 (he’s a very influential man – not), so maybe 35 or 40 would have shown up. The neighbors would just figure they’re having a picnic, the Koran would have been burnt and the story would simply disapprear with the last glowing ember.
As it is the MSM, the military, the federal govt., and now I hear radical groups are getting involved, all over a book burning. I agree with Puma on that, in this has gotten way overblown, which is typical for MSM. There’s a lot of good ‘ole boys there deep in the South that may not take to kindly to all the unwelcomed visitors. This could get pretty interesting.
Beck warned about the radical extremes directing the discourse, and forcing the govt. to intervene. Here is a prime example. I’ll just step out there and say if some nut job doesn’t burn down the church and/or kill this pastor before the burning, the feds are going to step in and stop this event. I remember going to “rock-record” burnings at churches in my youth. About the only thing all the attention to those events caused was an increase in record sales!
Here is what troubles me seriously about this issue. If ONE MAN, of marginal influence – remember a church of 50 – in a city of about 125,000, can incite worldwide outrage by Muslims, and other radical groups, what is REALLY going to happen when there is a significant event?
Frankly, if this guy wants to burn a Koran, heck if he wants to burn his church – who cares! Leave him alone and he will disappear. I ABSOLUTELY do not agree with burning the Koran, but I will ABSOLUTELY defend his right to do it.
- Puma for Life
I found this article, written by a Muslim, to be one of the sanest I’ve read so far. http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/
As a Florida pastor plans a Quran-burning bonfire on September 11, The Daily Beast’s Asra Q. Nomani, herself a Muslim, says there are a few brutal passages in the Quran that need to go up in smoke.
On the plan to burn Qurans this weekend, I say to Muslims: Let’s get over the symbolic insult and deal with the very real issues of literal interpretations of the Quran that are used to sanction domestic violence, terrorism, militancy, and suicide bombings in the name of Islam.
Gen. David Petraeus has weighed in, saying that the planned burnings by the Rev. Terry Jones’ congregation in Florida will endanger U.S. soldiers fighting in Afghanistan. But I believe that there is something that endangers Americans and American soldiers even more: certain passages that—when read literally—pit Muslims against Americans and the West.
We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran.
I believe the Qurans are being burnt because we, as Muslims, haven’t dealt sincerely and intellectually with very serious issues that certain Quranic passages raise, particularly in the West. These include verses—when literally read—that say that disobedient wives can be beaten “lightly,” that Muslims can’t be friends with the Jews and the Christians, and that it’s OK to kill converts from Islam.
We, as Muslims, need to tear a few pages out of the Quran—symbolically, at least, by rejecting literal adherence to certain problematic verses.
The Christian faith had to deal with problematic verses from the Book of Deuteronomy that sanctioned violence. Jews have had to confront rigid readings of the Old Testament that sanctioned stonings. Muslims, too, must re-interpret verses that aren’t compatible with life in the 21st century.
Look at one literal reading of the 34th verse of the fourth chapter of the Quran, An-Nisa, or Women. “[A]nd (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them,” reads one widely accepted translation. Based on a literal reading, Saudi scholar Abdul Rahman al-Sheha concludes that when dealing with a “disobedient wife,” a Muslim man has a number of options. First, he should remind her of “the importance of following the instructions of the husband in Islam.” If that doesn’t work, he can “leave the wife’s bed.” Finally, he may “beat” her, though it must be without “hurting, breaking a bone, leaving blue or black marks on the body and avoiding hitting the face, at any cost.”
Such appalling recommendations occur because we haven’t yet universally drawn a line in the sand, as Muslims, and said that this verse may have been progressive for the seventh century when women were supposedly beaten indiscriminately, but it isn’t compatible with the modern day, if read literally. Instead, we do something called the “4:34 dance,” suggesting that the light beating be the result of everything from hitting a woman with noodles (yes, you read that right) to a traditional toothbrush, called a “miswak,” from the root of a plant.
The kidnapping and killing of my friend and colleague Daniel Pearl in 2002 forced me to confront the link between literalist interpretations of the Quran and their role in sanctioning violence in the world. For critics of Islam, these verses are the smoking gun that proves that Islam is intrinsically violent. These are verses such as At-Tauba (“The Repentance”) 9:5, which states that Muslims should “slay the pagans wherever ye find them” or Al-Mâ’idah (“The Table Spread with Food”) 5:51, which reads, “Take not the Jews and Christians as friends.”
We need to reject literal reads of the Quran and recognize that these verses were communicated during specific moments of war, and they aren’t edicts for all time. We, as Muslims, must reject the notion that we read these words literally. To many, that would be an act of blasphemy. But, until we do, the literal words of the Quran will be used to rally hate against the faith. And that is why, indeed, Qurans will be burned by the small congregation of about 50 folks from the Rev. Terry Jones’ Dove World Outreach Center. It’s really just these particular verses that need to go up in sm
- Anonymous
I’m just getting up, watching the MSM CBS morning news (keeping it fair & balanced – prefer FOX), having my morning cup of coffee, and much NOT to my surprise who has weighed-in on the book burning? That’s right, Mr. Obama.
I’ll give this pastor credit for one thing, he’s got “spunk.” He’s got the whole world breathing down his neck, and he’s standing firm. (or else he’s absolutely mad-in a crazy way) Imagine an individual who is just a speck (when it comes to world policy/influence) getting pressured like this for speaking his mind and acting according to his conscience. And I read on “The Blaze” where a Pakistani ambassador is calling on Beck to “denounce” the burning. Now Beck is somebody of influence. I could see the outrage, if someone like Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. had promoted a Koran burning.
I can’t help but wonder what would be the response in the Muslim world if we declared here in America a nationwide Koran burning …. Now that would be news! Ok, I’ve had too much caffeine already.
- Mrcombi
Dhimmitude every where you look. Build the GZ mosque, you’re finished…
- Extremely Right
Even Christians (they claim, but they are not) can be radical just like Muslims can be radical. Both are wrong and do not represent the truth. Why does the world focus on a few nut jobs and ignore the majority?
- jimbob
Yeah, that’s a good comparison. Let’s see… 9-11 / burn a book. Yep, radicals on both sides.
- Anonymous
I have mixed feelings about it. One thing i don’t like is kissing their butts by always being politically correct. I posted this link on another thread.
Brigitte Gabriel Blasts Political Correctness
These people will keep pushing as far as we let them.
- Anonymous
Jesus said We are to provoke people to Love.
I guess he had plenty of feelings about retaliation when he went through his ordeal. I know it may feel good to push back but I trust the Lord in this. I believe we lose when we disrespect them.
I think there’s a better way.
- Anonymous
I believe Jesus also said to turn the other cheek, but you know where that gets you. I would like to know the better way you referred to. Waiting for your solution. Thanks
- Tony
“but” you know where that gets you. ?? Not sure where you are going with that one. Turning the other cheek has brought great results for me in the past. I highly suggest giving it a try, turn the other cheek and give it to God. When I say give it to God, pray on it, ask Him to step in an handle it.
As far as a better way. What if…. what if this church came out with a public statement. “while reading/hearing everyones thoughts, praying on our event, we realized the best way to show others our Lord, is to cancel the burning of the koran. We do not agree with your faith, but choose to use this opportunity to set an example. While not agreeing with you, we do not need to insult you. We ask that you take our actions into account and consider them while planning the mosque at GZ” - Anonymous
Turning the other cheek when dealing with these people will get you slapped on the other cheek. Obummer also thinks he can deal with these people,but that isn’t working out too well. If that church would do as you suggest, the Islamic radicals would laugh at them. Do you honestly think it would make any difference in their planning of the mosque? Get real please.
- Tony
If I get slapped again, so be it. Don’t get me wrong, I won’t like it, but if that is where I am to stand, so be it. As far as O, maybe his dealings are working out just fine, only he knows. As far as Islamic radicals… I pray for them, but that is not the people to which the gesture is made. My hopes would be that Christ might touch the hearts of men. I think it is natural for people to want to take sides, each of us has an opinion. I don’t hold hope in changing a radical, I do hold hope in being an example to someone looking on with an open heart and honest eyes.
- Anonymous
Tony, Your comment ” If I get slapped again, so be it “, Does that mean no matter how many times you would be slapped, that although you wouldn’t like it, you would accept it? As far as Obama being the only one that knows if his dealings are working, that is silly. It’s obvious to most people that he makes us look weak. Thank God we didn’t have so many people turning the other cheek on Dec 7,1941.
- Anonymous
In my first comment in this thread I said i have mixed feelings on the burning. I don’t want them to do it, but the reason is it won’t accomplish anything good. I also am tired of us kissing the butts of these people while losing our rights to practice our religion. I do wish we could find a better way to stand up to these people than burning the Qur’an.
- jimbob
I’m pretty sure “turn the other cheek” doesn’t mean to offer yourself up for abuse. It means don’t show your scars to your persecutors. It’s to protect you.
- KeninMontana
+100 Scoop.
- http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop
Thanks Ken. I’ll see your 100 and double it.
- Euterry
How sure are you that Sarah Palin came out with this,? This sounds noting like her. If she did, I know there is a spirit of good some where around her. I wish she would stand up for all humans and not just one group.
Sarah there always to side ‘s and it looks like you are able to see what could happen, good for you.
Now if only you could get some of the people in the Tea Party to stop looking for help by live in the past. Your forefather did what was best then. The fighting only kill a lot of people and you can not remove the laws we live by to please a few who hate a Black Man who trying to carry out pasted white men dreams and Law’s. The same Law’s that good for them is good for us all, We the people.
I hope Mrs. Palin will not let anyone use her.
What ever God has for you will come to pass and no one can stop it. I hope you can find away to help us out of this mess of the past 20 years are so, saleing out our country and then say ” It wasn’t we. will who was running the country, it sure wasnot running it seft.
The Govement it’s all we Amercan have, now and from the beganning. The Money in the Govement is what needs to be fix. What person would quit a Job making $2millon a year to go and work at a job that pays $15000,00 and it cost them $ 45million to get it.
I sorry but it ant the Govenment. - http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/T6OYEMAGLEAE3MD6ZBW5P6PQ6Y Roland
When a Muslim burns a bible they lock the Christians, with their bibles in a Church and burn them all together! For the people with the do unto others and turning of cheeks,don’t forget at the last supper Jesus ask “have I given you truth”, the 12 anwser yes and when they understood Jesus’s time was at hand, that they would travel on alone, Jesus instructs them “he that hath no sword, let him sell his cloak and buy one.” Luke22:36
- Brifry07
I predict soon even speaking against radical islam will be condemned. Radical islamists in the middle eastern countries are holding thousands of Christian citizens and others hostage. Any condemnation of islam and they get killed. Big problem
- Anonymous
Sorry, I couldn’t disagree with Palin and RS more. Christians in this nation have been turning the other cheek for decades, not from just Muslims, but from people in the media who are the first ones to attack, ridicule, and stereo type Christians and, to no one’s suprise, they are the first ones now to attack Christians for burning ONE book. Are you kidding me??? The threat of people that we are already at war with in foreign nations that are barely out of the 7th century are going to make us change how we live under our own laws??? GET REAL! Burning a book doesn’t equal the life of ONE human being. I don’t give a care how many Koran’s are burned, this pastor is not killing a human being, Muslim or Christian. The Imam heading up this Ground Zero Mosque has now stated that the name will be reverted back to “Cordoba House”. People, do your homework. Just look into the history of Cordoba, Spain and the mosque that stands where one of the largest Catholic churches USED to stand. Fundamentalist Islam can’t be practiced in this nation without conflict. It’s impossible unless the practicioners deny parts of their faith.
I can’t wait to see the “Religion of Peace” practice the same amount of self-control and meekness that Christianity is expected to as our own media mocks it on a daily basis. I’m sure all that peaceful enlightenment will be on parade for all to see on Saturday.
- Anonymous
What a lot of people are missing is that regardless if you feel that burning is okay or just the wrong thing to do, is the hatred that is directed at the Qur’an burners.
It is totally out of proportion to the act itself. No one seems to be talking about the Muslims in Indonesia who are threatening a “global jihad.” Other Muslim groups in the ME, Africa are threatening the death of Americans. Some are claiming they will behead any non-Muslim they come across as punishment for burning the Qur’an.
Yet, all that can be talked about is those who plan to burn the Qur’an. There is something terrible wrong with this picture if burning the Qur’an equates to beheading non-Muslims that had nothing to do with the decision to burn the Qur’an. Of course beheading the people that are burning the Qur’an is also showing the total insanity of the Islamic groups that are doing all the threatening.
I really haven’t seen it on the blogs/forums or even the new organizations talking about the complete over-reaction of those Muslims/Islamic groups.
People need to stand up to those dirtbags who say they are willing to kill you for the slightest slight. Imagined or real.
I don’t know how long or how close many of you have been following Islam and all there threats, but does anybody remember from 2006 when the Pope quoted a 400 year old passage from an emperor. Muslims didn’t take it very well and killed some nuns from different places around the world, and also torched quite a few churches. In Gaza and the West Bank 7 churches were attacked. Yet, who was apologizing – I’ll give you a clue, it wasn’t Muslims.
More than one Muslim was quoted as saying they are the ‘religion of peace’ but the Pope still needs to die. The guy RT posted the other day, Anjem Choudary, also stated that the execution of the Pope was necessary.
And yet different Islamic groups were calling on Muslims to storm Vatican City to kill the Pope and as many of his assistants.
So you’ll excuse me if I don’t give a care if hundreds of thousands of Muslims are upset because someone might burn the Qur’an.
There are countless of stories like this. A grade one school teacher in Somalia name a teddy bear Muhammad because she thought the children would love it. Next she is locked up with a death sentence. International pressure got her released. Christian and Buddhist children in Thailand beheaded and left on the road. A teacher accidentally drops a satchel on the ground – it had a Qur’an in it and she was beaten to death by the class.
And in everyone of those cases it was ten’s of thousand of Muslims marching and threatening additional violence if the apology didn’t come forthwith.
I’ve been waiting 10 years to see Muslim march in the 10′s of thousand against those they claim that have “stolen” their religion. I gave up waiting as I don’t think that is ever going to happen.
So Muslims are upset – what is new?
- Anonymous
U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley this week equated an obscure Florida pastor and his congregants who plan to burn copies of the Koran on Saturday with the Muslim terrorists who killed thousands of Americans on September 11, 2001.
“[T]here are a balance of interests here. But this, in our view, has the potential to inflame public opinion around the world in a way that will jeopardize American lives and American interests. It does not represent our core values as Americans. We hope it does not happen. We hope that between now and Saturday, there’ll be a range of voices across America that make clear to this community that this is not the way for us to commemorate 9/11. In fact, it is consistent with the radicals and bigot — with those bigots who attacked us on 9/11,” Crowley said in his briefing on Tuesday. (h/t Kristinn)
Kinda what I was talking about. Notice U.S. State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley can’t even mention the name of who attacked the US on 9/11 because he is so PC, he would rather say bigots attack the US. Unbelievable!
To Burn or Not to Burn the Koran
by Connie Hair
09/09/2010[...]
Since 2005, every Muslim country — including our coalition partners — through the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) has signed off on a “10-Year Programme of Action” (10-Year Plan) that, among other things, seeks to define slander according to Islamic Sharia law — making Islamic “slander” a serious crime in every jurisdiction in the world, including the United States.
Through “hate speech” legislation, the notion of Islamic “slander” has already taken hold in Europe. Once such instance is the case of Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders who is currently on trial for hate speech. He was denied expert witness testimony to assert the truth of claims he made about Islam.
The Dutch court instead stipulated to the truth-of-all-the-facts-of-the-matter when the court stated, in language that aligns with Islamic notions of “slander,” that: “It is irrelevant whether Wilders’ witnesses might prove Wilders’ observations [about Islam] to be correct, what’s relevant is that his observations are illegal.”
It doesn’t matter what’s true; the court says speaking truth in regard to Islam is illegal in the Netherlands because it may incite violence.
In 2009 the U.N. Human Rights Council passed a resolution (without a vote), submitted by the Obama administration, which would subordinate U.S. free speech rights to U.N. oversight standards. These standards mirror the OIC’s 10-Year Plan objectives.
Imposing the Islamic notion of “slander” in the Western world through hate speech legislation is very real. And very dangerous.
[...]
All we have to do is keep them happy and the jihadis will remain “moderate”? Sounds like an organized crime protection racket. a
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- Wasting!
It doesn’t matter if we burn the Koran or just continue living. Either one is enough to instigate more hate against Christians. Their society hasn’t evolved in the last 2 thousand years. Basically we are dealing with Neanderthals.
- Josie
Someone on another site asked that his idea as an alternative be shared and forwarded to the Pastor. Instead of burning the Quran the Pastor could still make a statement by blessing the Quran and prayng for the followers to turn to the direction of the light and peace. This would be just as affective and perhaps not as detrimental. The Extremists will probably still see this as an assault but at least the Pastor can have his demonstration and make a statement without putting others in harmsway. Patreaus has asked that this demonstration not happen as it may pose an added danger to our troops and that should be enough reason for anyone to back away. Our troops don’t need more to deal with.
- Josie
Someone on another site asked that his idea as an alternative be shared and forwarded to the Pastor. Instead of burning the Quran the Pastor could still make a statement by blessing the Quran and prayng for the followers to turn to the direction of the light and peace. This would be just as affective and perhaps not as detrimental. The Extremists will probably still see this as an assault but at least the Pastor can have his demonstration and make a statement without putting others in harmsway. Patreaus has asked that this demonstration not happen as it may pose an added danger to our troops and that should be enough reason for anyone to back away. Our troops don’t need more to deal with.
- Harleygirl9115
old testament: “For you love all that exists, for if you had hated anything you would not have created it” Word of God
New testament: “What I command you is to love one another” Word of jesus
Quran: “Jews, christians, muslims and and sabian…
- Harleygirl9115
old testament: “For you love all that exists, for if you had hated anything you would not have created it” Word of God
New testament: “What I command you is to love one another” Word of jesus
Quran: “Jews, christians, muslims and and sabian…
- Jpmink
This is not about how controversial someone’s actions are, this is about allowing one group to dictate how another behaves… and both parties are going to win when we follow their agendas on how this should be looked at, and don’t choose to make up our own views.
We are not a people of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality when an American can not burn a book on his own land. He is an American first. If you are worried about upsetting Islam, then you can remind them this is American and he is an American. Free people can express how they choose, and our government will protect them… even if they do not agree with him… as we should all do.
“WE THE PEOPLE”
Read it!Freedom is not free and it is about time we started trying to understand what it means to be Free People.
Or we are not better than then weak people and poll driven politicians that are giving up our freedoms.
- Jpmink
This is not about how controversial someone’s actions are, this is about allowing one group to dictate how another behaves… and both parties are going to win when we follow their agendas on how this should be looked at, and don’t choose to make up our own views.
We are not a people of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality when an American can not burn a book on his own land. He is an American first. If you are worried about upsetting Islam, then you can remind them this is American and he is an American. Free people can express how they choose, and our government will protect them… even if they do not agree with him… as we should all do.
“WE THE PEOPLE”
Read it!Freedom is not free and it is about time we started trying to understand what it means to be Free People.
Or we are not better than then weak people and poll driven politicians that are giving up our freedoms.
- http://arttelles.com/stop-islamization-of-america/ Art Telles
Dittos to “… remind them this is America…”
Freedom is not free… it requires using ALL the arrows in the quiver.
Art
STOP! Islamization Of America - cheryl~
Is your allegiance to America first, or to Christ? If America, I understand your statement, if Christ, then there is no way you can justify the pastor’s actions though I agree he should have the right to do this in America we are free, but with freedom of choice still comes consequences, are you ready to accept them?
- Jpmink
Cheryl,
I reply to your post, just as I posted… with the utmost sincerity and care of understanding what the TRUTH is for us.I think myself, like a lot of Americans, are confused and torn within when we truthfully try to consider how to ultimately “handle”, for lack of a better word, Islam in general.
If our laws that allow us freedoms are based on Christ’s teachings, how can practicing them be against those teachings?
Or rather, is not the reaction to a free man/nation enjoying freedom, more telling of who is right and who is wrong, in gods eyes. And in return, is that how Christ designed America?
I want to support and preserve the freedoms our lord intended for us, as best as I can.. and would prefer everyone did just that on their own.
I’m not versed in the bible nor the constitution, so I may be more confused than most when trying to understand how acting of Freewill and in accordance with our Constitution not for both Christ and America.
In any case I have to believe, if the pastor is being called to burn the book, than who am I to judge? I certainly would rather face a world of upset Islamic crazies for supporting one of Christ’s chosen… than face God for passing judgment on him.
I have to believe any tolerant religion would see it the same way.
But thats just my opinion.Hope this is constructive to us all.
Jpmink - Cheryl~
I understand and think I know what you are trying to say.
The fundamental attitudes of Christianity about the inherent worth of individuals and about compassion echos throughout our legal system.
Our laws are in part based on our Christian foundation.But mostly from what I understand our laws are based on Common Law which is represented in Our Constitution, our Declaration of Independence and our Bill of Rights.
Our system of jurisprudence is the only law which developed out of what is called the Common Law that is, the general law of private property known in the British Isles. Common Law was designed throughout the centuries to secure the rights of individuals ( you & me) to property and to make it difficult for property to be taken away from us by a government or governmental structure (bureaucracy) without due process of law.
It is my understanding that Our Founding Fathers recognized Common Law and is the basis of all law in America today.
The idea that a group of Christian men got together to draw up the Declaration of Independence or Consitutution or BOR soley upon God’s law or the Bible is just not accurate.
Just because something is law doesn’t make it morally correct in God’s eyes. Example: of course is abortion here in America.
With that being said though if you are a Christian your allegiance is to Christ and His law which always puts others first not your yourself or your way of life….Christ demonstrated this so perfectly when He came to earth as a child and gave up His life for all mankind. Do we really have the freedom to incite (if only temporarily as we now see and hear from Pastor Jones) to prove a point? Is that really God’s way? Does our American way of life supercede our personal call to walk with our Saviour here while on earth? That is something all of us need to evaluate from time to time as we get caught up in the “politics” of the present.
America is a great country with great potential but in my opinion has seriously lost her way. Not only have we strayed far from the Constitution but we have strayed far from God’s law in that we take our most vulnerable and most innocent and have legalized killing them. And in my opinion this skews EVERYTHING else we do in America. We have for many years been planting seeds of “worthlessness” in the hearts and minds of people, young and old by saying through abortion, “you are not valued, you are dispensible”.
And now on the table we have possibly, “death panels?” Are we surprised?
It is my sincerest prayer that God may have mercy on America and open our eyes and not only help us get back to our Constitution but mostly to the preservation of life. If the only way we live is to live for what is best for “me” than we will have missed the life of Christ and His example that He left for us. Thanks for commenting!
- Jpmink
Yes!
Even though I did not attend church a lot when I was young, I can feel America is far from where she should be.Sometimes I get frustrated when I learn something I should have known. I hopes posts like we had on this gives people some ideas.
At the least I can see I have more to lean.
Thanks too for commenting.
- Jpmink
This is not about how controversial someone’s actions are, this is about allowing one group to dictate how another behaves… and both parties are going to win when we follow their agendas on how this should be looked at, and don’t choose to make up our own views.
We are not a people of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality when an American can not burn a book on his own land. He is an American first. If you are worried about upsetting Islam, then you can remind them this is American and he is an American. Free people can express how they choose, and our government will protect them… even if they do not agree with him… as we should all do.
“WE THE PEOPLE”
Read it!Freedom is not free and it is about time we started trying to understand what it means to be Free People.
Or we are not better than then weak people and poll driven politicians that are giving up our freedoms.
- http://arttelles.com/stop-islamization-of-america/ Art Telles
Do, Don’t, or else…
I do not agree with the current meme.
I remember a theology professor saying in class one day, I only remember him saying it once, but like a megaphone in the mind, I hear it today as loud and clear as I heard it that day almost 30 years ago.
The professor said, relative to biblical exigesis, if two people agree about everything (in the bible), one of them has stopped thinking for himself.
Well, as much as I appreciate, trust and deeply value Sarah Palin’s voice in the public square, my disagreement with her and General Patraeus and Sean Hannity and Mark Levin and Glenn Beck (… Rush Limbauge is still border line in his comments) and Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller and et al on radio, tv and online, is not anything personal about them as valued patriots, but the acquiescence with the current meme that burning books is un-American and undignified in the public square… and it will inspire hate and violence by Islamic “true believers” of violent jihad.
Since when?
Since when is the printing of pictures of big “MO” with a bomb in his turban, as is seen on many anti-jihad watch web sites, been considered “feeding the fire of caustic rhetoric” by the haters?
Since when? Never.
NEVER is it suggested that putting a picture of “MO” on a web site is “feeding the fire” of hate expressions or violence by Islamic “true believers” of violent jihad.
Why do the anti-jihad bloggers put a picture of “MO” with a bomb in his turban on their web sites?
They are making a statement!
They are emphasizing their FREEDOM to make a statement, even though they know even ONE picture of “MO” is offensive to Islamic “true believers” of violent jihad.
Why are the advocates of freedom of expression online so against the freedom to make a statement about the CONTENT and the INTENT of WORDS by simply burning the words that are printed on paper?
Hate and violence against Islam is NOT being advocated by the public statement of burning words printed on paper.
The General says that burning words printed on paper will inspire more hate and violence.
Imam Rauf said on CNN yesterday, Sept. 8, 2010, that NOT allowing the building of the ground zero mosque will inspire MORE hate and violence.
The General says that to DO something will inspire hate and violence… so do NOT do it!
The Iman says that to NOT allow Islamists to do something will inspire hate and violence… so allow them to DO it!
If the Dove church pastor’s freedom of expression and simply making a statement against the INTENT of the words printed on paper is stifled… the Islamic “true believer” violent jihad haters win… YOU lose America.
If Imam Raufs freedom of expression and simply making a statement about the supremacist INTENT of the Cordova, Spain inspired mosque, renamed Park 51 is NOT stifled, the Islamic “true believer” violent jihad haters win… YOU lose America.
Where do the “true believer” violent jihad haters learn to hate anyone not part of their Ummah?
They are taught to hate by their Imam’s… ’cause the Qur’an and Hadith say so, and they are encouraged to express their hate with physical violence.
If the Cordoba Initiative mosque, renamed Park 51, is NOT allowed to be built, the threat from the Islamic haters, against all who are not part of their Ummah, is… physical violence.
If the Dove church pastor wants to simply burn pieces of bound paper that contain WORDS that encourage the Islamic top-rung-of-the-ladder “true believers” to wage jihad with violence, the threat from the Islamic haters is… more physical violence.
The Dove church pastor is NOT advocating violence against the physical person or a physical building that belongs to someone else.
The Dove church pastor simply wants to burn HIS own private books, that he paid for and owns, to make a statement about the CONTENT of the book… the INTENT of the WORDS printed on paper.
The Dove church pastor wants to make a simple, time honored statement of protest against the CONTENT… and the INTENT… of the WORDS… of the Qur’an that is used to justify with theological authority the Islamic call to demean Jews by calling Jews rats and pigs.
The Qur’an is also used as inspiration to KILL all who will not submit to the authority of Muhammad and his moon god Allah. (Allah is a NAME, not a title. Just as Yahweh – YHWH is a NAME, not a title. Elohim is a title, not a name.)
The current meme against book burning is the philosophical and practical equivalent of removing all your arrows from the quiver and throwing them away.
If burning words on paper that advocate hate and violence against those who burn words on paper that advocate hate and violence… then, what should a free people do?
Burn the words on the paper that advocate violence… to make a public AGAINST the words on paper that advocate hate and violence… and keep burning the WORDS on paper that advocate hate and violence.
Use ALL the arrows in the quiver, and acquire more quivers and hand them to everyone who
- has NOT paid the dhimmi jizya (tax)…
- has NOT submitted…
- has NOT bent the knee…
- has NOT bowed the head…
- has NOT said the words of humility…
… and,
- has NOT felt subdued.The Islamic “true believer” violent jihad haters are serious about shari’a and compliance with the Qur’an and submission to the INTENT… of the CONTENT… that is contained in the WORDS… words simply printed on paper.
Just sayin’ my piece in the public square… ’cause I still can… without coercion and with a bow-the-knee prayer to my elohim Yahweh and his only son, Yahshua and with a “look-you-in-the-eye” humility to the “other” who does not accept the authority of Yahweh’s own Yahshua.
How about you?
Art
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Save your money, Art (we’ve already sent billions and billions of our tax dollars over to their countries, via ‘Stimulus 1&2′).
You can get them for FREE… according to these sources:
freekoran.org – this one says they will even pay the shipping.
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Hmmmmmm…
Tempting… but, will they ship a free Qur’an EVERY year until Allah and Islam submit to the U.S. Constitution?
When Allah and Islam submit to Yahweh’s own and only son and his last prophet, Yahshua, then there will be no reason to burn words on paper.
Hollywood did something similar during WW2 against Hitler, the writer of Mein Kampf (My Struggle – My Jihad), by producing the anti-nazi cartoons.
Some people even burned Mein Kampf… simply words printed on paper.
What’s next, America?
Should America submit and feel humbled… or stand against the WORDS of the Qur’an, the enemy of the WORDS of the U. S. Constitution… and the enemy of elohim Yahweh and his son Yahshua?
Art
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- KeninMontana
Guess what troll? I’m tired of your attempts to incite,good bye.
- Mattman
Im burning my right now just to see. how it goes up. I dont want to have any flaws on 9/11 when i burn the others thanks for a great bbq idea sincerly. white trash america.
- Danno180
I can’t believe the burning is being called insensitive yet the building of the mosque isn’t ? come on Sarah
- KeninMontana
“People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.” I think you need to work on those reading skills.
- Larrrymcclendon
sarah, i have been in health insurance for 20 years and now we face losing our jobs, in texas alone there are over 110,000 health sales agents, multiply that by each state and thats a lot of jobs, families and homes wrecked.
no one will listen… - Larrrymcclendon
sarah, i have been in health insurance for 20 years and now we face losing our jobs, in texas alone there are over 110,000 health sales agents, multiply that by each state and thats a lot of jobs, families and homes wrecked.
no one will listen… - Msma_elmeligy
Sarah Palin,, kindly don’t play uncleanness gams to win the new presidency, People No have a constitutional right to burn the quraan..
Sarah Palin. I don’t think The Constitution and U.S. law is is a Bible may not be change as you think. What you say is nonsense under the rubric of freedom of expression. And If that what that Pastor Jones for what he wants do is not criminalized under US law or in USA view , even you know that act crap is would raise the feelings and anger a half billion Muslims in all over world under the rubric of freedom of expression, Then Why the US Constitution to defend the anti-Semitism? and how the usa build great relationship with Muslims in all over world ,And what Kind of human right usa government talk about?«Freedom of expression is not available for Abuse to religions, or downplays the significance of the prophets or abuse for them, Freedom of expression a huge risk if they affect the faith or irritate others harassment beliefs with the assistance of unjust laws,, Freedom of expression have no any right to deny the right of others, We know how much USA Law and Constitution is favor for biased-Semitism, and against towards the Arabs in general and to the Muslims is a private< in same time we Know there is many a moderate and reasonable voice in the Wight house and all over Usa…But we still wonder of this statement issued by the White House confirms that view law to the constitution is stresses on the hatred and anti-every Muslim, for that we say to USA government we reject this statement because this statement is colorless, We reject Usa supported and scandalous partiality to the Jews whom stole the Palestine land and killed day after day the kids by your support and under your unjust veto, Just as we reject American racism against blacks, and persecution of American Indians of the original owners of the land, Also, we ask Usa to be more neutral and more honest and fair, we Ask Usa to change that bad poultice . and don't follow inform the Zionist lobby, which seeks to hostility between the people and create hatred between the religions,, I think all whom faithful to the United States know that the shares of America's leadership in the world have begun to decline rapidly, So If The US administration cannot penalize that madman Terry Jones to his folly, Then you have to know not law and any Constitution of all over the world can stop us to defend our religion and our prophet via our souls and our blood, and Islam will continue to light guidance of God, and the right freedom, eventually Islam will be victorious regardless of the hatred
Sarah Palin encourages the Pastor not to burn the Quran:
Book burning is antithetical to American ideals. People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation – much like building a mosque at Ground Zero.
I would hope that Pastor Terry Jones and his supporters will consider the ramifications of their planned book-burning event. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don’t feed that fire. If your ultimate point is to prove that the Christian teachings of mercy, justice, freedom, and equality provide the foundation on which our country stands, then your tactic to prove this point is totally counter-productive.
Our nation was founded in part by those fleeing religious persecution. Freedom of religion is integral to our charters of liberty. We don’t need to agree with each other on theological matters, but tolerating each other without unnecessarily provoking strife is how we ensure a civil society. In this as in all things, we should remember the Golden Rule. Isn’t that what the Ground Zero mosque debate has been about?
- Sarah Palin
The other day I said that this action of burning the Quran doesn’t represent how Christ has called us to act in love. And I am still firmly against it, as I don’t think it will accomplish anything positive. It would be different if the citizens of Iran were burning them in protest of the Islamic theocracy that keeps then oppressed, which is based on the Quran. So yeah, I certainly oppose the burning.
That said, I’ve found myself in some way supporting the idea of sticking it to the Islamic fear mongers. No, I don’t mean Islamic haters. I mean the Muslim fear mongers who threaten free speech because they are ‘offended’ – because of their intolerance. Like when South Park ran their show on Muhammad, shown as a bear, and then the death threats starting pouring in. Like when the danish cartoonist drew a cartoon of muhammad and has to live his life on the run. Like when the Taliban killed Christian missionaries because they were supposedly carrying Bibles. And on and on and on. It’s this kind of intolerance that makes me want to say to them ENOUGH! So yeah, on that level, I can see burning the Quran as a show of protest.
But it is provocative and I just don’t see the ‘Christ-like’ love in the middle of this. I understand what they are going for, but I just think this is the wrong way to do it. Christ talked about turning the other cheek, not striking back in the same manner that we were struck. The Bible also talks about answering anger with a soft response. And instead of destroying us, which is what we deserved, Christ instead took on our sin and died for us so that we could be free of death and be in covenant with Him. Again, I’m just not seeing how burning the Quran fits into this. So yeah, I’m against it, but I don’t want to lie and say I can’t identify with it on some level.
Well that’s my 2 cents for the day.
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