Sarah Palin: We are a Christian nation

Posted by The Right Scoop on May 6th, 2010 in Uncategorized | 31 Comments

I thought this was a good interview on the National Day of Prayer, and I do think she’s right, as it pertains to our foundation. Our law is based on the Christian ideal and most of our founders certainly followed the God of the Bible, and the ones that didn’t certainly respected it.

I’ve heard the argument “how can we be a Christian nation if we allow millions of babies murdered each year?”, and it certainly points to how disgustingly far away from God we’ve moved. But in reality, the foundation of our nation is still Judeo-Christian and until we no longer enjoy the rights afforded to us by our Constitution, those inalienable rights that we enjoy here, we will always be a Christian nation.

I haven’t looked yet, but I bet the liberal blogs are going to catch on fire with her statement that we should craft our laws based on God and the Bible. I’ll check and throw in an update or two if that happens.

Enjoy!

Tyler

Yeah. Good luck with that happenin. Just don't try to create a theocracy. Didn't go too well when medieval England was doing it.
http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop

Dude, nobody is talking about a Theocracy. That wasn't in the founders intention, and I think it's the most remote thing that could actually happen.

Unless Islam takes over, but then it won't be a Christian theocracy anyway.
Tyler

True that. Someone tried to explained to me that theocracy literally means “rule of God,” so a TRUE theocracy would be NICE…but of course we don't have that luxury since we humans are left to rule ourselves.
Acidock

Source

President George Washington wrote a prayer addressed to “O most glorious God, in Jesus Christ” and ended it with this: “Let me live according to those holy rules which thou hast this day prescribed in Thy Holy Word. Direct me to the true object, Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth and the Life. Bless O Lord all the people of this land.”

President Thomas Jefferson: “God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis – a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.”

President James Madison: “Religion is the basis and foundation of government. We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”

President Andrew Jackson: “I nightly offer up my prayers to the throne of grace for the health and safety of you all, and that we ought all to rely with confidence on the promise of our dear Redeemer, and give Him our hearts. This is all He requires and all that we can do, and if we sincerely do this, we are sure of salvation through His atonement.”

Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, property, and freedom of worship here.”

President Abraham Lincoln: “The ways of God are mysterious and profound beyond all comprehension. ‘Who by searching can find Him out?' God only knows the issue of this business. He has destroyed nations from the map of history for their sins. Nevertheless, my hopes prevail generally above my fears for our Republic. The times are dark, the spirits of ruin are abroad in all their power, and the mercy of God alone can save us.”

President Grover Cleveland: “All must admit that the reception of the teachings of Christ results in the purist patriotism, in the most scrupulous fidelity to public trust, and in the best type of citizenship.”

President Woodrow Wilson: “America was born a Christian nation. America was born to exemplify that devotion to the elements of righteousness which are derived from the revelations of the Holy Scriptures.”

President Dwight Eisenhower: “Without God, there could be no American form of government, nor an American way of life. Recognition of the Supreme Begin is the first – the most basic – expression of Americanism. Thus, the founding fathers of America saw it, and thus With God's help, it will continue to be.”
Acidock

A few more …

President John Quincy Adams: “The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”

President Abraham Lincoln: “I have been driven many times to my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere to go. My own wisdom, and that of all about me, seemed insufficient for the day.”

President Calvin Coolidge: “The foundation of our society and our government rests so much on the teaching of the Bible that it would be difficult to support them if faith in these teachings would cease to be practically universal in our country.”

An interesting fact — 43 Presidents referenced God in their Inaugural Address.

John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address: “[t]he belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from the hand of God.”

Harry S. Truman Inaugural Address: “We believe that all men are created equal because they are created in the image of God.”

George Washington Inaugural Address: “[t]he propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained; and since the preservation of the sacred fire of liberty and the destiny of the republican model of government are justly considered, perhaps, as deeply, as finally, staked on the experiment entrusted to the hands of the American people.
Tyler

Just so you know, bro…I'm not arguing that God and TRUE morality shouldn't be a basis for our country's government. I only argue that the Bible is unnecessary to do that.
TourOfRicky

SHOW ME IN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION WHERE JUDEO-CHRISTIANITY IS LAW.

THIS IS GARBAGE.

RELIGION HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE ENEMY OF SCIENCE. SCIENCE HAS ONLY BEEN THERE TO HELP HUMANITY LIVE LONGER/BETTER.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Wollett/100000551063752 Stephen Wollett

Yes science is the friend of man helping us to kill each other in more innovative and incredible ways. Biological weapons, nuclear weapons, weapons that kill without leaving a mark on the victim, etc. the list goes on. How about Genetically modified foods that kill insects destroying the ecosystem, or maybe other GMO foods that kill cattle, sheep, and chickens. Got to love science there.

Religion like science claims to help man as well. Both have been the cause of million of deaths. And nowhere in the constitution is anything about Judeo-christian law but 43 presidents have referred to their Judeo-christian beliefs in addresses to the nation. Thomas Jefferson himself used federal money to build finance the building of churches.

Rather than fill yourself with hostility towards religion, work with those who believe different than you and come to a consensus of understanding. Your hatred of religion is no mare than another’s hatred of black or Muslims.

TourOfRicky

Hearing Palin prattle on about religion makes me want to puke.

The “National day of prayer” is flat out crap.

People are allowed to pray 24/365 if they want to, and I support their right
to do so. Having the GOVERNMENT involved with what is a PERSONAL and PRIVATE MATTER is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Because of Secularism, we were able to get out of the dark ages
and modernize/save countless lives thanks to breakthrough in science.

NEVER FORGET: THE CHURCH WANTED TO KILL GALIELO FOR POSTULATING
THAT THE EARTH WAS ONLY A SPEC AMIDST THE GREATNESS OF THE UNIVERSE…AND NOT THE CENTRE OF IT.

Want to see just how insane religion is: check it out:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/b…
danieltumser

I'm going to do my best not to sound combative here, though I'm sure it matters naught to any theist here, it's worth a shot.

Show me exactly where in the Constitution you can find the word “God” “The Lord” “Him” or “Yahweh.”

You can't, because the framers flat out rejected multiple attempts by other founders to insert their own personal subjective definition of whatever deity they chose into the Constitution.

Now, find for me where exactly in the Bible it is established as Law or Virtue in the Abrahamic metaphysical belief system to allow individuals to govern themselves?

Where in the bible do you find the virtue of limited government?
Where in the bible do you find Freedom of Speech
Where in the bible do you find the freedom from illegal search and seizure?
Where in the bible do you find the American practice of due process?
Where in the bible do you find “Innocent until proven guilty”?
Where in the bible do you find the right to a jury
Where in the bible do you find a condemnation of cruel and unusual punishment?
Where in the bible do you find Freedom of Religion?

Most of the founders were religious, there's no doubt of this, but one can be a secularist without being atheist.

Secular(ism)(ist) is not synonymous with being anti-religion either, try as you might to climb up on the cross and play the martyr. Secularism is simply the neutral position regarding the disputes amongst the many varying equally self-assured religious beliefs.

Even the Declaration (which has zero legal bearing by the way in the founding of the nation or its government) is secular in that fashion in that it says nothing more than “Creator.” You call that Yahweh, I call it my parents and biology, muslims call it Allah and Hindus call it Krishna.

You can quote mine the founders until the cows come home, but it doesn't change the fact that there is not one utterance of the word “God” or Christianity in the Constitution, it is a secular document.

We are a nation of (majority) christians, founded by (majority) christians, but it was a secular country those great men established, which if you want to go by straight biblical example, was in direct opposition to multiple edicts proscribed as godly virtue in the scriptures.

Where do you think the tyrants of Europe got their justification for “Divine Right of Kings”? The bible is full of demands to respect and be subservient to your KING over your life, or your MASTER if you were a slave (by the way, where's the commandment against that?)

Individual Self-Determination, personal rights and personal liberties have nothing to do with biblical law or example.

Hosea 13:16, explain to me how that passage jives with the religious pro-life position (I'm not in favor of abortions, but there are better arguments than religious ones)

If we start passing laws based on YOUR god and YOUR sacred texts, thus in the exclusion of all other peoples religious beliefs or lack thereof, you'll find yourself back in the bronze age in two generations because NONE of the great American virtues and freedoms come from scripture.

P.S. Please don't throw the 10 commandments at me unless you're going to claim you follow all of the other 603 as well.

“don't kill each other,” “don't steal,” and “Don't lie” were all rules of multiple other civilizations that had never even heard of yahweh.
6carbonfootprints

The Constitution finishes off with, “in the year of our Lord…” That acknowledges God.

TourOfRicky

“The Constitution finishes off with, “in the year of our Lord…” That acknowledges God.”

Bullshit. type of weasel crap is what’s killing the Republican party.

“IN THE YEAR OF OUR LORD” WAS FOR DATING.

6carbonfootprints

Look up the Black Robe Brigade. They found answers to almost all of this in the Bible.
danieltumser

How about you actually post something to evidence your claim, because all I see now is someone repeating a Glenn Beck buzz term and a statement supporting the conclusion that the supposed inerrant direct word of god is so ambiguous and shoddy that people can make anything up and have it be divine revelation.

Let's not engage in such liberal interpretations and stretching of definitions that would make even Unitarians blush here, the precise wording of the bible and torah enable everything antithetical to the US Constitution
danieltumser

Dating method, NOT actual law.
danieltumser

Limited Government? Moses, Joshua, David etc etc all as intermediaries for Yahweh ruled by dictate, assigning the death penalty to nearly every crime

Freedom of Speech? Exodus 20:7

Freedom from Search and Seizure? Deuteronomy 21:10-13

Due Process? Exodus 12:29

Cruel and Unusual punishment? 2 Kings 2:23-24, Mark 7:10,

Freedom of Religion? Exodus 32:27

Self-determination? Numbers 16:27-33

Slavery? Exodus 21:20-21; Slave beating instructions

Due Process, Jury AND Cruel Punishment? Ezekiel 23:45-47, 2 Samuel 6:6-7

Sarah Palin's children have doubtless been rebellious at least once, why has she not taken them to the city's edge and stoned them to death?
Tyler

Yep yep. The point's already been made in greater detail, so I need not go on about it.

Secularism is what's provided for the freedom of religion we have. If we actually became a Christian nation, we would lose that…period. It wouldn't be right away, but it would happen over time. In time, it would resort back to the old medieval battles of WHICH DENOMINATION of Christianity is to be the official one of the country.

No thanks. I ENJOY FREEDOM, thank you.
Tyler

When I tried to actually find anything on Black Robe Brigade, I found 2 DIFFERING stories.

1.) A group of pastors who inspired the Continental Army during the fight for independence.

2.) The Illuminati.

So…which one's which and how do I go about knowing for sure?
TourOfRicky

An amazing post. I'm really glad to see sanity creeping it's way onto
'right-wing' messageboards.

Sarah Palin is full of crap for trying to push her religious agenda as government policy.

If she seriously respected people's PERSONAL right to practice prayer/assembly to worship “God”, then she should of denounced the “National day of prayer”
carlitamonique

well… they could have also said “in the year of the Lord” but they chose to make it personal ;0)
KeninMontana

Well played sir,well played indeed.
KeninMontana

As one who was raised in Catholicism, when you mention “black robes” the first thing that comes to mind is Jesuits, after the shuddering subsides. Here is a little information on what the British referred to as the “Black Regiment” later known as the “Blackrobe Brigade” http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history…
http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

You ever see that episode of South Park where Cartman wakes up thousands of years in the future and Atheism has taken root but there's a full scale war over what name to use to describe their lack of faith?

But yeah, agreed. As the Treaty of Tripoli says “As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion…”
Tyler

Yep. I loves me some South Park. That show is GREAT.

I can fully agree that the founders were pretty much all or mostly Christian. My beef is with people saying that we're a specific religion just because of that.
134567

Who cares about this Cristian nation stuff?Palin and all you stupid republicans are dropping the ball.Obamas spending like a madman right under your stupid pathetic noses.400 BILLION IN STIMULUS,450 billion in omnibus ladden with pork,120 Billion jobs bill,12 more billion to fred and fran,now 30 billion to banks to free up even more credit(from tarp funds),home tax credit,this tax credit that tax credit,cash for appliances,and only 500,000 jobs so far this year?Of all the trillions spent a lousy 500,000 jobs?You need 200,000 per month just to keep up with population growth.Unemployment went up because they are not keeping up with pop growth.Where is the outrage?Why are your leaders talking about a Christian nation not gov via IMF bailing out socialist Greece with 40 billion?Or O raiding the tarp again?Get your ducks in order your about to be clobbered because your talking about this garbage not things like Europes socialist high spending, high entitlements comming home to roost.Americas next if you do not stop these nutjobs in your gov now.Wake up repubs!!!
williamm

I have strong beliefs in God, but i respect other people's beliefs too. Thanks for bringing up the need for 200,000 new jobs to keep up with population growth. The last time anyone brought that up was the democrats in early 2000s. The figure I had then was 140,000 when they were jumping on Bush claiming it would take forever to tackle unemployment with so many new people needing jobs. Now the democrats never mention that little bit of info.
Tyler

Yep yep. I think you've hit the nail on the head and I'd like to elaborate even more on it. I think even the issues such as “traditional marriage” and pro-life vs. pro-choice should be put on the back burner as well until the debt which has even been classified as a “national security threat” has been dealt with.

Fiscal conservatism (which is why I prefer conservatives to liberals right now) is the key vessel we need to focus on. We can focus on the rest LATER.

I think the new slogan should be “STOP BANKRUPTING AMERICA!”
TourOfRicky

“Secularism is what's provided for the freedom of religion we have. If we actually became a Christian nation, we would lose that…period.”

You're hitting so many nails on the head you could build a HOUSE!

I used to be a Republican, mainly for the economic conservatism…but
all these damned evangelical/bible-banging 'we have to use government
to push morality on people' made me PUKE.

If you ever want to become an atheist: READ THE BIBLE.
Tyler

Right there with ya, man. So-called “Conservatives” have easily WASTED every bit as much money IF NOT MORE than the Liberals trying to impose morality because of their Christian values. The so-called “War on Drugs” and the criminalization of prostitution and let's not forget the so-called “War on Terror” as well are PERFECT examples of BILLIONS of tax dollars WASTED ANNUALLY.
http://mitchblatt.com mitch

We aren't a Christian Nation, we're a nation of freedom of religion.

Iran is an Islamic Nation.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Wollett/100000551063752 Stephen Wollett

depend on what you mean bu the term Christian nation. We are not a nation with a national religion but we are a nation that is over 80% Christian and we also live in a nation in which many of our customs and laws are based on judeo-christian morality.

Sarah Palin: We are a Christian nation

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