911Infidel
This education thread was one of the best Scoop ever posted.
It's gone now. History. Forget all the energy you put into it. It is History.
This is the major flaw in the basic foundation of The Right Scoop. We have no continuing thread to go to. We are grasshoppers. We jump from here, to there. We have no home.
There is no way for us to stay in one place, and talk to each other about all these issues that have such an impact on how we will all live, in the future, as communism tightens its grasp on all of us.
Because there is a train running down the track, and we have to keep jumping, to stay ahead of the train. There are conversations that happened three weeks ago on this site, that no one remembers. And that is the problem. All of the words and energy and fingers on the keyboard, that produced all of that, is history.
That energy, and those words, and those fingers on the keyboards, belonged to us. To you and me. They are buried in the Archives right now. History. You will and I will never again see them on this site.
There are a couple of things that I don't like about most conservative sites. The person who runs it, is usually invisible in the landscape, and unreachable.
That actual reality, makes me question why these people start a conservative site in the first place. If they actually want to make a difference, then why maintain yourself as some sort of mysterious person, behind the curtain? It's like the Wizard of Oz. "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
If I ran a site like this, I would tell you who I am and what I believed and how you can reach me.
I apologize to all of you. I didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. Sometimes, my conversations get away from me. Regardless, they still contain my basic thoughts.
We do not have a continuing thread on the major issues facing us.
We are an entertainment site, that jumps from one topic to the next. I guess that somehow produces ratings, which equates to money.
Regardless, I still have no idea who Scoop is, and he is not about to tell me. At least, that I can tell.
Isn't it time for parents to take back the schools, or have they also been brainwashed by the government/union school curriculum? Our schools are filled with ignorant unionized drones that have the title "Teacher." About the only thing they can do with consistency is march in a circle holding a picket sign. Of course, they have to be retrained after a lunch break. These folks are OVERPAID, not underpaid. Their annualized salaries plus benefits are off the charts. I'm tired of their whining. If you aren't happy, get another job. Then again, what could they do? I watched an NEA convention a while back and listened while the president of the union read the "Platform." Govcernment (Taxpayer) funded abortion was #1 on the list. Homosexual marriage, gun control, Out of Iraq/ Afghanistan, cut the military, higher pay, etc. I did not hear one word of improving education for the captive students caught in this web of unionized schooling. I love to hear the mantra of, "Pay teachers more and they'll do a better job." How many of you out there own or run businesses? Do you operate on the bellief that if you give underperforming employee more monet he'll suddenly become employee of the month? I don't think so. The unions fear merit pay, annual reviews, charter (Choice) schools. Of course, if union dues drop, so does the never ending wheel of union to democrats money. Shameful! Where i live, our school tax dollars go to pay for teacher's cell phones. I verbally fought this at a school board meeting and was looked upon like I had three heads. A female sheeple type in the audience got up to refute me by stating that, "Teachers need to stay in touch." I then stated that they buy their own cell phones to "Stay in touch." The sheeple type did not respond.
Pray for our nation......and read Ellis Washington every chance you get. He is brilliant.....and right on point!
Music to my ears, victoryman. Music to my ears. I am so glad you dropped in on us this evening.
Most people don't even know who Ellis Washington is. Black Conservatives are denigrated by the Liberals in our society.
"Liberalism is a politics of poverty, envy and despair." A direct quote from Ellis Washington.
Your comments dovetail quite easily into the discussion taking place here.
Here's something maybe everyone should take a look at.
Why blacks vote Democrat, By Ellis Washington:
http://www.ebireflections.com/1/12/01_politics.xhtml
Good stuff.
My first contact reading Ellis Washington was when he wrote an impassioned defense of Michael Savage when Savage was, "Banned in Britain." I've been reading him ever since. I'm sure Professor Washington has been denigrated by the left as, "Being off the plantation," as has Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Justice Thomas, Col. West, Larry Elder, Bill Cosby, etc. In place of these great Americans the left (Especially the state run media) idolizes and worships at the feet of the likes of Jackson, Sharpton and other poverty pimps. A sad commentary on today's society. As the saying goes, "There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action." I highly recommend Prof. Washington's book, "The Nuremberg Trials." Not an easy read, but well worth the time and effort to digest it.
Have a Happy New Year, and keep up the good fight.
Socialists HATE America...and anyone who believes in GOD and LIBERTY
Native born Americans must ACTIVELY teach their kids and grandkids about America and the Founding Fathers Constitution.
The kids will be currently taught about Marx,atheism anti American rhetoric.
You must act NOW
Thank you
It has become far worse than just the spreading of their propaganda their campaign now strikes at our basic and innate rationalizing skill of which we need to survive. I am referring to common sense. No amount of propaganda can separate you from instincts you were born with so to get around this little problem they have devised a method of conditioning to punish you whenever you exhibit the use of this faculty.
I have watched this transpire for years all the while chocking it up to just more absurdity before realizing that there was a method to the madness. Their purpose is to condition you so that you learn not to rely on your own cognitive reasoning but to instead rely on the set of rules and guidelines they have set out for you. It does not matter how slight your transgression may be, as a matter of fact the more trivial the better for them to punish your crime of exercising common sense.
Once I became aware of this it was easy to spot all around. Here's just one example:
A High School student was suspended for holding the door open for a women whose arms were loaded down with books. His common sense told him this woman was not a threat and was in obvious need of assistance, but this violated school rules of allowing entry to anyone who is not personally known. Though the sentence was appealed the school stood firm in its decision for suspension.
This is just one example but after seeing countless others it was clear that common sense itself was under attack.
If this sounds like nothing more that paranoia consider this; There is now efforts to teach that "Math is man-made" and therefore fallible and for this reason it is better to trust the experts than to rely on the numbers.
How did the USA descend to this low level of incompetence? Sin and the devil's influence on us. We cannot continue to offend God in such grave ways, and expect His continued protection. If we don't change our immoral ways, while knowing they offend God, God will turn us over to our sins. He gave us a choice, and He died for our sins. If we reject His gift, we suffer the consequences that naturally flow from our own actions. Surely, I don't need to list those grave sins. We all have a conscience. The enemies of God, and Christians, are on the attack, and are bolder and bolder in their efforts. Indoctrinating our children at the earliest possible age is where the communists start. Leftwing? Socialists? No, more than that. Communists. Even Obama went to communist schooling. Beware of people who scoff at those who bring out the truth, regarding the basic causes of our growing problem.
US students - on the world top with highest self-confidence!
And on the absolute bottom - in math..... :(
And probably at the top in communist indoctrination :(
You know, John, there must be a lot of Democrats and Republicans who are like-minded about this problem. I often wonder why Democrats aren't uniting with Republicans to influence all of Congress and the Senate to fix this lingering problem.
We hear all the time how Republicans are not acting like true Republicans and facing problems head-on. Well, neither do Democrats.
Concerned Americans need to petition their representatives and ask them where they stand on issues.
Phyllis Schlafly and Charles Sykes have been exposing the NEA creeps and commies for DECADES now. But frankly - the schools up here are a lot more conservative than 25 miles south of here. The problem is large numbers of azzholes. They think America is just a big video game that exists only for their amusement and entertainment.
Four years ago, my husband and I made the decision to pull all of our children out of public school and placed them in a Christian classical school. I cannot begin to count the ways our children have grown through this program! It is a rich and vibrant learning environment where the children are allowed to be children and taught how to love learning, rather than spit out pointless drivel. The public school system is nothing but a dull wasteland that provides babysitting by high-paid union drones. Education does not have anything to do with it. I am a teacher and I wouldn't put my children back in that! The unions need to be tossed, the federal government needs to be shown the door, and serious clean up of our classrooms needs to occur. Billions of our taxpaying dollars are going towards yet another failed government system that has no intention of educating children. Like the lamestream media, it is nothing more than a dumping ground for socialist garbage in order to push a failed agenda. Excellent article 911Infidel!
Thanks 911Infidel, this is a beautiful artical and stated very well.
Thanks TRS for having 911Infidel's letter posted. It is a great read for all Americans.
Parents need to take a break from keeping up the the Shapiros and pay more attention to their children and what they are being taught in school. It's downright scary to see and hear what these kids are beginning to regurgitate. a-duh.
Are they still showing Al Gore's propaganda film "An Inconvenient Truth" without questioning the validity of Gore's "facts"?
One of the problems I see is allowing union politics being taught to our children. Look at the news reports (the ones that actually make the news anyway) One teacher tells a student you can go to jail for speaking out against the president, another wants to teach "muslim" sign language. Does anyone actually notice that the only time anyone reports on it is when a student fights back? Yes, Alinsky and his cohorts are the seed that started it, however, its the younger teachers that we see that have already been brainwashed. With tenure, they can't be fired, just reassigned. They will be teaching young, pliable minds for the next 25-30 year (until they can get their nice pension).
And when PARENTS won't take at least an hour a day to TALK with their children, teaching them what it is to be a responsible human being, this is the end result. I see many parents just let the iphone, xbox, playstation, etc play the part of babysitter. Is that really the kinds of values that we need to teach our children?
If a person has children, why would they rather let an inanimate object be the parent than taking a little time to be the teacher?
I spend time with my children EVERY day. I teach them what America was founded on, and why it's a good thing to be an American. Luckily, I live in a rural community, where we still have Christmas Pageants, say the Pledge of Allegiance, go on Easter Break. I don't know how long it will last, but I'm sure even the rural schools will be invaded at some point.
Who is writing your children’s textbooks these days? Bill Ayers and the Annenberg Project maybe?
Nope
The same people that wrote the 2,000+ 'Obamacare Bill' that Congress nether authored nor read, that's who.
Teachers can't teach what they don't know. Many teachers are frightfully ignorant these days.
Teachers can't teach what they don't know. Many teachers are frightfully ignorant these days. Esp. science and math teachers... :-(
It is way past time to win back the culture.
LOL! Conservatives have been losing the "Culture War" since the 12th Century.
While I did enjoy all your personal comments about your own life experiences, regarding the abysmal state of our educational system, I was somewhat disappointed in the conversation here this evening.
When the topic first opened up, and the thread was just beginning, I thought we were going to have an in-depth discussion of what is wrong with our educational system.
While it started off well, it soon deteriorated into personal experiences.
I hope we can do this again sometime, and explore the real underlying problems with our schools, and look for solutions.
This is a much deeper problem than you realize.
Hi White,
I get what you are saying. I think most of us concur that the state of the Nations school system and Dept of Education stinks. We are so flawed as a country when it comes to enlightening and preparing our leaders for tomorrow.
Our inadequacy in misplaced spending and lack of proper motivation and attention is truly disheartening and should be demoralizing for today’s youth. I think I remember reading that about 3% of todays youth are being homeschooled. Thats a pretty big number. ABiC would have a better idea.
Culture and customs should be a part of our principle foundation in conjunction with minimum core standards. To compete with the rest of the world the United States better start rethinking our game plan.
However, on a very high level the two have been seized by the progressive members of the instruction hierarchy. Until this is addressed the deficiency of our educational leadership wont, in my opinion be properly addressed.
Personal experiences are part of what makes TheRightScoop so unique, and although they may not address 911infidels's topic with in depth research or profoundly… they are engaging and appealing- at least in my view. :-)
Thanks, poljunkie.
I know its impossible to control the direction of an open conversation. The comments made here by fellow Scoopers are both entertaining and engaging. I agree.
But we have to be careful to not use this platform, or any other for that matter, solely for the purpose of entertainment and reinforcing each others' opinions. It would be good to spend part of our time here, looking for solutions to the myriad of problems facing us.
I say this because a lot of conservative sites are just places where people blow off steam, and accomplish very little in the way of real change. If you've been on those sites, I'm sure you know what I mean.
Our educational system is probably the #1 issue we face, because of the way it is being used to indoctrinate our children. By the time they graduate from college, a large number have been seduced into the Progressive view of the world. If this continues much longer, it will be almost impossible to elect a conservative candidate for any office, let alone President.
Even with all the catastrophic failures of Obama's first term, including all the reckless spending and our massive deficit, he was re-elected for a second, due in no small part to the large numbers of college students and twenty-somethings who voted for him.
Part of this problem is that these young people are far more receptive to the Progressive dogma than we are. They believe anything the Leftist media tells them, and seem mesmerized by Obama whenever he opens his mouth, which is often.
I believe this phenomena, if I can call it that, exists because they have been conditioned to receive the information fed them by these sources and to reject conservative ideas such as Capitalism and the importance of adhering to constitutional principles. That conditioning occurred to a large extent in our school system. Add to that our society's departure from the Judeo-Christian ethics that helped found this country, and the picture becomes more complete.
Now, I know I'm going to get hammered by the question, "Well, what would you do, Mr. Smarty Pants?" Quite honestly, I don't know. I think the idea of home schooling is an excellent place to start. The only problem there, is that working class families can't take advantage of it. They have neither the money, nor the time.
Attending school board meetings and paying attention to the internal politics of your local school system might provide fruit also. Like a garden grown full with weeds from lack of attention and neglect, our educational system got this way over time. Any fix is going to take time also.
First, the weeds have to be pulled and the garden replanted, the weeds being a metaphor for the poor administrators and under-qualified teachers. Throwing the teachers' unions in the nearest trash bin would also be a good place to start. Watching how your local district spends its money (our money), might be worth the time. School districts are notorious for wasting money on things not needed.
These ideas represent nothing more than just basic, ordinary common sense, I know. But common sense usually doesn't cost anything to implement, and sometimes produces truly surprising rewards.
I agree with you.
I think homeschooling is a terrific option. I also feel there are many private and charter schools which offer a great solution to parents and kids. There still are some public schools that manage to do a good job as well.
But the real problem is what you identified and that is the Foundation of education being hijacked. You are right in that we need to take a stand to fix or at least put the brakes on what is occurring.
There still are good and decent teachers out there. Working with the students, and fighting the district.
A major step in the right direction would be making all the states "right to work."
Take care, friend.
Not that you necessarily want the info Polsis, but here are the latest stats I could find for anyone interested... seems like Florida is one state that is growing. Doesn't surprise me with the amount of co ops and support groups, sports groups and other homeschool groups in our county alone. http://homeschooling.gomilpitas.com/weblinks/numbers.htm#how_many
Wish we had a Congress with guts to eliminate the Dept Of Education ,Dept of Energy(Carter) and the Epa and send it back to the states.
Fun article on CA gun show! Guess Feinstein and her wealthy husband were too busy to attention and take notice. http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Ontario-Convention-Center-Crossroads-of-the-West-Gun-Show-Firearms-185769562.html
I read a book about 15 years ago which I got at a used book store. It was call "brainwashing in the high schools" By E. Merril Root, it was written in the late 50's. Even back then socialism was being pushed, so much so, that men who were captured in the Korean war were easily manipulated into giving their captors much information.
How much further down that road have we traveled?
Go here to check it out. http://www.amazon.com/Brain-Washing-High-Schools-Merrill/dp/B0044ZTX5U
The real issue though, is not the poor test scores. The real issue is what the students are being taught and how it is being taught.
Our public schools, from Kindergarten all the way through Graduate school, are currently nothing more than indoctrination centers for the Progressive movement and the Communists among us.
You've all heard the stories about how the Soviets infiltrated our schools and our government as early as the 1950's, probably earlier than that. Well, it's true, and there is plenty of documentation for it.
Here is an article printed in 1954. It is mostly about the Soviets and their dream of world domination. A tad long, but incredibly interesting. Entitled,
"The Techniques of Communism: INVADING EDUCATION.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/educatio.htm
Here's another that is more to the point of our discussion. If you only read one article, read this one.
The Socialist Vision and Global Connections of the NEA.
http://www.crossroad.to/Excerpts/chronologies/nea.htm
While this process mostly started with the Soviets, the techniques and processes involved were not lost on the Progressives, as the Progressive movement gained momentum and turned us in the direction of a One World Government and the Utopia they dream of.
edit: grammar
But its not exactly a Utopia, even though they are well on their way to putting it in place. The United Nations was the false front they used, and our schools and universities are the factories that are producing the new Americans who will inhabit this Progressive paradise.
the Progressive movement gained momentum and turned us in the direction of a One World Government and the Utopia they dream of. Progressives dream of neither.
Our public schools, from Kindergarten all the way through Graduate school, are currently nothing more than indoctrination centers for the Progressive movement and the Communists among us.
LOL - You have bizarre notions of each because you conflate Progressivism and Communism.
A turd by any other name, still smells like a turd. ;-)
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism (add progressive-ism) they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened."
"I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democrat Party has adopted our platform."
Norman Thomas, 1948
Now, before you waste my valuable time dealing with the punctuation differences between Communism, liberalism and progressiv-ism, they all share one basic concept.
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need".
Karl Marx.
facts for a lefty imbecile? Loss of time. He LOL-ed so many times by now, he may even skip his pills for today.
BTW - MSM commies skip the drug using info in mass shootings;
deeper checking shows possibly all killers were on drug(s)
schools and universities are the factories that are producing the new Americans who will inhabit this Progressive paradise. Aside from all the Ivy League graduates on Wall Street.
Quote: "The real issue though, is not the poor test scores. The real issue is what the students are being taught and how it is being taught."
No, the real issue is whether there should even be public schools in the first place.
There should only be private schools.
If you privatize the entire school system then you will solve many of the problems that the Left have created in the public school system. The market will not allow the Left to have absolute dominance over curriculum, scoring, teacher quality, etc.
So long as the government stays out of private schooling (ie. no regulations, no taxes), then private schooling will become so incredibly cheap that even the poorest could afford it. In fact, there would be a massive variety of different quality schools to cater to different family incomes.
Thanks, 911Infidel. I share the sentiments of Brian Jones and others in applauding you for bringing this issue to the forefront. In order for Freedom to be able to survive in this country, it is imperative that we once again gain control of our nation's educational system and return it to the purpose it was intended, instead of the one it is currently being used for.
The quality of education in our public schools is a national disgrace.
In an educational performance study done in 2006, ranking countries of the world in reading, math and science, the results were appalling.
In reading, the United States was ranked #33 (there was no #34. The United States was ranked dead last).
In math, we were ranked #27 out of 33 countries.
In science, we did a little better. We were ranked #22 out of 33 countries.
source link: http://www.geographic.org/country_ranks/educational_score_performance_country_ranks_2009_oecd.html
This, despite the fact that we spend more money on education than most other countries.
The United States spent $10,240 per student from elementary school through college in 2000, according to the report. The average was $6,361 among more than 25 nations.
The report was part of an article published in USA Today in 2003, entitled, "U.S. tops the world in school spending but not test scores."
source link: http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/education/2003-09-16-education-comparison_x.htm
I don't know if there are more recent studies, but if there are, I am sure they are worse, not better.
...AMERICA grab your children with LOVE and remove them from the INDOCDRINATION CAMPS of the PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM . Hang onto your GUNS America hang onto your GUNS to defeat the TYRANNY that is surely coming . Secure your GOLD because your DOLLAR is going to be worth ' 0 ' (zero) . Most important pack your Bibles for you and your loved ones for enduring FAITH and to battle the EVIL of TYRANNY for it will come down to a battle of the SPIRIT WORLD . "
Its not going to come down to a battle of the spirit world...............it already is and if Christians don't begin understanding this and put on the Armor and fight in the spirit with the Word, the Name and the Blood then Satan will take over this nation. As Paul wrote we aren't fighting flesh and blood and I have done my best to tell people. However, Christians are overcome by fear and therefore are not able to wield any power. It's time to fight not faint!
Spot on, 911InFidel! I recently saw an article where Bill Aryers said that the school system is where the left must utilize it's power. Here's the link:
This is another area that needs complete dismantling and any republican who is against dissembling the educational system is NOT a republican. These Marxist have used their cosmic bu**s*** about global warming and the environment to shape the young minds of America through public education. I remember Mark Levin talking about how Ronald Reagan wanted to dismantle the department of education and was unable to because of many republicans. Perhaps Ronald Reagan knew that this was fertile ground for communist indoctrination because of his experiences with communism up close and personal in Hollywood. And know we see the fruits of their labor.
Those of us who have gone through public education know that indoctrination is exactly what is happening. When Bill Ayers, a convicted and unapologetic terrorist, says that this is fertile ground for the left it should immediately be taken notice of and broken down accordingly. The young minds full of mush, as Rush would say it, don't know about the mass killings committed by Saddam Hussein, or Mao Tse-Tung, and so many other dictators. And because of this lack of knowledge the children will voluntarily learn and go to their own demise not understanding that the Constitution is the BEST defender of freedom and liberty and understanding of GOD given unalienable rights. Which are rights not given by a dictator or a President but by GOD! It is unconscionable what we have allowed to take place in our schools and in some instances parents sending their little ones and college age students to these institutions to be indoctrinated.
Well than maybe you ought to think about moving to a country where the Declaration of Independence doesn't start with these words. ;-)
"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness".
I hear Iran is nice this time of year. I'll bet your "there is no God (Allah)" screed would go over well there. ;-) ;-)
These Marxists have used their cosmic bu**s*** about global warming Marxism has nothing to do with the FACT of global warming.
Prehaps you don't understand. You can look up the information about east anglia here:
http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/03/climate-change-hoax-opinions-contributors-larry-bell.html. Her's the link:
And you can read countless books about the fraud of global warming and climate change. School and inform yourself.
So what? All of your post proves nothing. It’s just cosmic bs, as I said earlier! The point is that laws and policies should not be made or manufactured using false information, manipulated data, scare tactics, and made-up science by people like Al Gore, who is NOT a scientist unless you call sexual twist with a masseuse science. Moreover IF there really was climate change or global warming we would know it from our own experiences. If the data collected from climate change’s supposedly authorities is reproducible then circumstances in their hypothesis would be repeated on some scale but that is NOT consensus, that’s science. I don’t know your objective nor do I care but neither you, Barack Obama, or John Kerry any other pseudo scientist can tell me that climate change is a made-up phenomenon to redistribute wealth from richer producing countries to the third world countries. And that’s not education so it has no place in the classrooms of America.
"University of California, Berkeley," You mean Berzerkeley, don't you?
MacArthur Foundation, huh. You mean this one?
"The MacArthur Foundation supports creative people and effective institutions
committed to building a more just, verdant, and peaceful world".
2 organizations deeply wrapped up in the 'social justice, share the wealth' game.
;-) ;-)
The Conversion of a Climate-Change Skeptic
By RICHARD A. MULLER
Published: July 28, 2012
Richard A. Muller, a professor of physics at the University of California, Berkeley, and a former MacArthur Foundation fellow, is the author, most recently, of “Energy for Future Presidents: The Science Behind the Headlines.”
And you can read countless books about the fraud of global warming and climate change. Yeah but they are all published by Regnery and WND.
Prehaps you don't understand. You can look up the information about east anglia here:
WHAT WILL FATS & THE OTHER GASBAGS SAY NOW?
This made the front page of Yahoo News:
It also made Google News:
Here are a few highlights from the full article:
The study of the world's surface temperatures by Richard Muller was partially bankrolled by a foundation connected to global warming deniers. He pursued long-held skeptic theories in analyzing the data.
...he found that the land is 1.6 degrees Fahrenheit (1 degree Celsius) warmer than in the 1950s. Those numbers from Muller, who works at the University of California, Berkeley, and Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, match those by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and NASA.
Muller's research team carefully examined two chief criticisms by skeptics. One is that weather stations are unreliable; the other is that cities, which create heat islands, were skewing the temperature analysis.
"The skeptics raised valid points and everybody should have been a skeptic two years ago," Muller said in a telephone interview. "And now we have confidence that the temperature rise that had previously been reported had been done without bias."
I suspect that some of the gasbags will push this BS meme:
...on Sunday, when a British newspaper said one of Muller's co-authors, Georgia Tech climate scientist Judith Curry, accused Muller of another Climategate-like scandal and trying to "hide the decline" of recent global temperatures.
The Associated Press contacted Curry on Sunday afternoon and she said in an email that Muller and colleagues "are not hiding any data or otherwise engaging in any scientifically questionable practice."
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