This just made it to the Snopes debunking site: http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/neurosurgery.asp
Heck, we've had private death panels for years now through the insurance companies, and we all know that private business works more efficiently than government.
Socialist fascists always plan to eliminate "useless eaters" in their drive for a state of efficiency dictated by the material dialectic. Older people no longer part of the work force and needing more intensive, expensive, healthcare are marked for disposal. Think "Soylent Green" in the 21st Century. Obamacare is death by decree, attrition accelerated for population reduction goals. Live free or die trying!
Just remember, ObamaCare is really RomneyCare. Romney is the creator of the ObamaCare model and it was an absolute disaster in Massachusetts. Romney has never had the honest and forthrightness to fess up to his evil plan.
Yes, ObamaCare is horrible and does include death panels, but have to comment that medical procedures of various kinds have been rationed to some extent for at least 50 years.
Insurance companies have been right in the middle of this atrocity and they need to be exposed for their banksterism and grand larceny.
Insurance companies who limit coverage is not the same as a government mandated care system, in that, you can shop and find a better company for less, and then afford care that doesn't leave you stuck with some arbitrary limit. Yeah, I know, we might actually have to do some work to get the coverage we need, with adjusters who are able to make sure we're taken care of, imposing the force of market competition on these companies.
Additionally, we might push harder for more "broad based" (Obamaism) competition by getting rid of federal restrictions as to purchasing across State lines. Then it would be market forces naturally trending to a more nationalized structure based on what works, and not by a government mandate that's proven, particularly by scrapped programs, the legislator's and regulator's lack of capacity, means, and intelligence, to implement a variety of aspects of Obamacare.
But there is no way to refute that just imposing a Communist Central Committee, yes, it is a Death Panel, without any actual means (consider all the waivers granted that make the entire premise of the system, and all logical arguments for it fail), is nothing more than a government take over of healthcare to dictate the means of saving based on the intellectual, anecdotal, and non factual, unreasonable, without a sense of the entire system, limits that one thinks of in justifying their government job, and the bureaucratic power they have been appointed to wield, along with their taxpayer funded benefits of course.
Government run by incentives, is no longer government, but instead, a dictatorial commercial monopoly, urging collectivism to increase profitability for the government business, irrespective of the people nor the meaning of "government."
I think it would be unconstitutional as it would deprive me my equal rights to what the left say's, health care is a RIGHT.. Equal protection under the law...
President Obama is not 'creating' any such society. That society existed long before he or any other 'President' came along.
'Now' that you're concerned about your personal failure to anticipate what the society you helped fashion will treat you . . . as age has its way . . . is the wrong time to develop that concern.
BTW: I'm in my seventies and spend ALL of my pension, personal and business generated funds to help the poor in Cambodia.
It might help you to accept your fate and help change your society for the better . . . when you act to have all Americans consider their lawful duty to refuse to support a society that would permit mass murder in order to secure 'Political Goals'.
Do so, and let me know how things turn out . . .
Absent a general revival, understanding and use of, and to what, the term 'Humanity' should be applied . . . we'll continue on the road to the use of all nuclear and other weapons of mass murder.
I suggest that, in the aftermath of such, it shall no longer matter that too few, to-day, cared / dared to consider the impact of their decision to ignore what they permit their governments to do to 'others'.
Helping the poor in Cambodia
over in Britain they have universal healthcare. Their governing authority the NHS is under siege for patient deaths and neglect of care. That's what happens when you appoint accounts and government employees instead of doctors to decide care due to economic restraints.
we can also ration money we spend on health insurance, with a huge hole in Obamacare. Claims jumping: http://www.cobrahealth.com/claim-jumping-Obamacare.htm
Caller: " yes absolutely, And I'm not doing the surgery unless I get paid, medicine is a business you know..."
So very sad.
Hey, you guys really should read the Obamacare plan. Yes, it's long, but at least pick through and read the parts that interest you. Like healthcare period. It''s not just seniors. If you have a child with a disability that will involve long term care, such as heart problems, diabetes, etc. They will be limited also, and visited by nurses (if they can find them) who will show you how to kill your child so that they don't waste care needed for someone else. There's lots more in there also, in re:
finances, taxes, oh, just lots more. Well worth reading. Why do you think that 28 states have already opted out of this death plan??
This sounds like a "weed out the weak" policy. By doing this, they cut the major costs of healthcare...at the expense of parents, grandparents, sons, and daughters. Obama isn't worried about this. He knows he and his family will be well taken care of in years to come. What's sad is we'll STILL be paying for that too. If we vote in Romney, he'll just most likely change it to RomneyCare and then we're no better off. The government needs an enema...starting with the White House and then their health care deform they shoved us into without our permission. The last thing I want to hear from govenment run health care is "Bend over and cough." We've been scr*w*d enough already.
They are not called "death panels." Try more politically correct Medicare Payment Advisory Commission (MedPAC), to advise Congress on Medicare cost savings.
Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB). A 15-member panel who make cuts to Medicare.
Comparative effectiveness research (CER) to find cheaper methods of medicine that will limit health care choices for patients.
They into giving you a thumbs-up or thumbs down like the Roman citizens in the Coliseum. Maybe if they knew the patient, or know of the patient that would be more helpful when denying coverage. Almost like the person's Dr.
And IPAB & MedPAC makes choices months or years in advance many miles away from the patient as far as budgeting and allowable procedures.
So they're basically playing God and making desicions they have no business. These are folks who have more right then ANYONE. They have busted their ass' and paid taxes all of their life into the government for what? Apparently not shit. It's disgusting..
George, Health insurance is a contract. Health Insurers sometimes (not often) will break a contract in bad faith. Then we have the civil courts for damages, etc.
Obamacare gives the power to deny claims to the US Government. They define essential health benefits, EHBs. If your procedure is not on the list because it's too costly, if the drug is too expensive, George Lowy was a very good man and we'll miss him.
Remember George, you are not a person. You're now officially a unit. Like the IRS refers to you "inventory." If I dehumanize you, you'll be easier to dispense of, when it's inconvenient. Almost like Abortion for old people.
In left wing "societies" life does not have value. Only the community does. So we may have to sacrifice George Lowy for the greater good. Unless he has money and can see a private, for profit Doctor or specialist.
Steve Jobs got a magically appearing liver. Money talks. He bought his organ. Socialism is a false, empty promise no one can pay for.
Without doing real reform, they're ready to give grandma "comfort care" instead of actual medical care. The compassionate left that pushed Obamacare honest, does anyone know that they will be throwing their elderly away. Even without so-called death panels, healthcare rationing kills. it's not the same as season tickets to your favorite football team. http://www.cobrahealth.com/Obamacare-rationing.html
"Comfort care" is sick and disgusting. It's like abortion started by Margaret Sanger to get rid of "undesirables" like minorities. Only comfort care would effect over 70s, the so called unproductive members of society. We need to honor our elderly, not throw them away after they've built this country.
And of course, the longer our life expectancy, the more years we draw pensions and SocSec and the more insolvent these systems (both public and private) become. So soon we'll be working until 70 or 75 (which actually makes sense with ever more people living into their late 90s) despite only deserving "comfort care" according to these bean counters,...
Short and sweet. national attention and disapproval did not slow down Hitler one bit. Nationlizing health care is just first step to death camps. Nationalizing country, re Mit, and OB, is next step. I have no insurance. I am over 65. I get proper care outside the USA, for cash. Live and learn or die young. It is up to you.
Yeah, the real question is what will kill us first, the debt or the death panels? I think the debt has a better chance. Why shouldn't we re-elect obama? $15 trillion reasons, that's why.
It really gave me the chills when I heard this live on the radio yesterday driving home from work. But it doesn't surprise me that our own government would view us as "units".
Surprise Surprise. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid were lying, and Sarah Palin was telling the truth.
It wasn't that hard to see this coming. The news media is complicit in covering this up of course.
Me, too - but she turned on her heel and hauled ass in the other direction this time. I'm still bitterly disappointed.
Yanno, guns are dangerous. We can't have so many guns in the population if we're going to be paying for healthcare. Street bikes. High-HP cars and trucks. Anything with more than an electric motor. Drag racing, roundy-round, road racing: all extremely hazardous. Knives, bats, boxing gloves. Rodeo. Fireworks. Bows & arrows. Martial arts training. Hunting. Fishing. Boating. Privately-owned power tools. Privately-owned aircraft. Chinese food. Hot peppers. Discharged service members. All of these things are potentially killers, and they all harm Mother Gaia; therefore, they must be banned./
There will just be licensing and fees for everything because of the added costs of risk. They will tax the miles you drive, as they've wanted to.....this will just give them justification for more of your money.
And let's not forget the kids either. After all everything progressives do it's for the kids. No more playgrounds, no more kick ball, no more ice hockey, baseball, football etc. Too many emergency room visits for broken noses, arms and legs.
No more gymnastics or track, because too many torn ligaments.
I work with many people older than 70, flight instructors. So if a working man of this age were to injure his cranium, proper care would be denied based strictly on his age. Of course, he could pay for it himself. This is just like the "National Health" in Britain.
When the Demoncrats controlled both Houses and the White House, they set out to pass nationalized health care. But they had to lie to pass it. They said it would make health care affordable and hold down costs. None of which was ever true.
Socialists lie to further their agenda of control.
I know that this would matter nothing to marxist/socialist/progressive/humanist/secularists, but my pastor is 90 years old, still preaches every Sunday morning and helps with Awana Wednesday nights. He's survived a heart attack and cancer- so according to dear leader, he ought to be dead by now. Well, if that happens, our excellent 84 year old associate pastor can fill in. Lord Help us please!!!
I do not disagree with this but I do have a question: The doc says he would have to wait to hear from a panel before doing surgery... a liberal response would be, "What kind of surgeon would opt out of doing a surgery to save someone's life if he wasn't going to get paid for it"?
Considering the hundreds of thousands of dollars that one of those surgeries costs plus the cost of months of follow-up care and tests (I should know because I had brain surgery at age 20) if the Dr proceeded with the surgery without permission from the hospital's administrative approval, it could be that not only would he/she not be paid, they would also be the one to foot the bill for all equipment & supplies used, tests & procedures done, assistant/nurses pay, ect (not the hospital because they didn't approve it); and may even loose his/her job and/or medical license for performing the surgery outside of regulations. And while I'm sure most Dr's want to save everyone they can, they simply can't do so with the potential of such massive personal costs of going against their employers who answer to the regulators. ...Not that a liberal would understand that answer if they even had to ask that question to begin with! :)
I hate to break the news to the Obat Ethics Committee, but you don't necessarily die from bleeding in the brain. You just can't function anymore to some degree, which means they will be paying for lifelong care and a nursing home for possibly quite some time. They are also saying that they want to shorten life expectancy in this country? That's pretty weird alright, as life expectancy is one of the criteria for judging he advancement of a country. Obama really does want to make us into a third world country. He sure has a deep seated hatred for the US and its people. This is who people voted for...ok.
If confirmed, this needs to be plastered all over billboards across the country, in every campaign ad, and shouted from every corner of this country.
In 2001 my mother had an aneurism of the aorta at age 72. She went into emergency surgery and at one point the doctor told my brothers in the waiting room she only had a 30% chance to live. They told him to get back in there and do his best for her.
She lived another 10 years.
I guess those days will soon be only a memory.
Now just imagine comfort care under Obamacare. Your mom would get a visit from the Chaplin and some hospice counseling. Don't think it would happen? Do the math. Millions more being newly insured but not having any detectable increase in doctors. Do the math. Healthcare Rationing can kill you. http://www.cobrahealth.com/Obamacare-rationing.html and Obamacare doesn't do a single thing the
I am very glad the doctor succeeded. But I am sure the surgeon came out not to troll for a "let nature takes its course" answer (no doctor worth the title would NOT want to operate with those odds) but to cover himself against malpractice suits in case your mom turned out to be one of the other 70%. This way he could at least argue you gave 'informed consent' should you try to sue him if the operation went awry.