Why does everyone seem to fall for the media deciding whats important. The man spoke incorrectly. He did not DO something wrong. People act as if he commited the crime of rape. Get it together people. We should have never given this story a platform.
Hitler Learns About Todd Akin Staying in the Race
I'm not really worried that we wont get the Senate because of this Guy. There will be some surprise elections this time around. We've seen how bad polling has been. More Democrats than thought will be boxing up their $hit.
Y'all can come down now from the ideological rafters. This has nothing to do with the pro-life movement. This has nothing to do with conservatism. This man has a defective mind. BIG surprise that he doesn't understand why he needs to get out. He's using the same mind to come up with that bit of faulty reality, too.
Good evening. Joining this conversation is like stepping onto a mine field. Forcible Rape is one of the most serious crimes in our society to most people, especially, women and Fathers of daughters. In any conversation about it in a public venue, you had better be very careful in choosing your words. Todd Akin wasn't. As a politician, he should have known better. He will never recover from it.
Three things happened here.
1) Akin made a stupid remark and later tried to apologize.
2) No sooner than the words were out of his mouth, the Democrats seized the opportunity as a gift from Heaven and blew it out of proportion, in order to damage all Republicans.
3) The Republicans were paralyzed for words and immediately called for him to resign from the race, proving once again, that their best tactic in dealing with Liberals, is to agree with them. They didn't even try to defend his statement as a mistake.
If this had happened to a Democrat, the media wouldn't have even run it on the evening news and if the Republicans had dared to bring it up, they would have been branded racist or women haters or something just as evil. It is the world we live in.
For the record, I know what Akin was trying to say, but he never even got close. There have been studies that do support the idea that forcible rape results in far fewer pregnancies than most people would believe. But, that's just a statistical thing and a woman who has just been raped is probably going to look for the nearest flower pot to plant on your head, if you made that statement in public.
Here's just one site with that type of information:
We could argue about this for the next several days. It won't change a thing. Todd Akin's political career is history.
It is heartbreaking to think that we may lose our chance to repeal Obamacare next year because of this one man's stupidity and intransigence.
GOD DAMN YOU, TODD AKIN!
I, for one, could care less about what he said. If he's conservative, and had a slip of the tongue, he should stay in. Get em, Akin.
You know, there are two separate issues going on here and neither side is dealing honestly with it.
The left is skewing the 'legitimate rape' angle of it when it's clear he meant the legal definition of rape. Which, by the the way, was legal in most states before Roe v Wade so it was a gotcha question. No surprise there.
Then there are those of us on the right who are just PO'd that a man (who will probably be elected to the Senate) can actually be ignorant enough to say that a woman can just shut it down to prevent pregnancy from happening if raped. A really, really biologically ignorant thing to say. This is the 21st century - we all know that sperm meets egg and creates baby. And don't try to explain to me what he really meant. He was unprepared at best and possibly ill informed & a quack at worst.
If we want to have a debate on whether abortion should be legal for selective circumstances, then fine - let's debate. My view? A human life is a human life regardless of circumstances. But please, don't expect me to get behind someone who thinks I as a female can just 'shut it down' and prevent pregnancy if I'm raped. I've never heard anything so incredibly stupid in my life. If that's who is going to be out there debating this, then let's go back to the economy. Please.
What's with the criticism? Shouldn't all you "from conception" folks be praising and supporting him? Why the hypocrisy? Why the lack of consistency in what you believe?
"This isn't the fight we should be having right now"?? - So you agree, but you disagree over the timing. Uh huh. Yeah, really principled of you ¬_¬ Pragmatism before principle - I'll remember that's how y'all operate!
Pity he didn't confine his remarks to his personal opinion that life is from conception instead of offering up his ignorant view that a woman has the ability to control conception.
Seems that the most honorable way to answer further questions about a loaded subject is to acknowledge that one should review specifics in order to comment.
My real beef: We know the media are not our friends and yet there are always politicians that comment on toxic subjects as if they are sitting around their own kitchen table.
This guy happens to be running for a critical seat and I think everyone who is "pragmatic and unprincipled" is concerned for the country, not himself.
Because he basically said that women have the choice to stop conception and pregnancy with something inside them if they are raped, which doesn't make any sense.
HAHAHA!!! He said women had some kind of "something" that can shut down all of that (speaking about rape). That's just a bizarre comment and so unique to him that you can bet the next attacks will be "Does he know this from personal experience?".
akin is nothing but a self centered career politician, he needs to step down, he was told yesterday there be no support from the republican senatorial committee, he is not doing what is best for the party, we need to take back the senate.
The RSC is at fault here as well and bears just as much responsibility for throwing this man under the bus instead of fighting rightly for clarification.
The RNC is at fault for holding a guy responsible for his offensive language? Say what???!!!
How about him being at fault for his stupid and offensive remarks and stepping back to let a real Conservative fight for the seat which he has now no chance of winning.
Why is that too much?
There is quite a difference of holding the guy responsible which is great and throwing the man under the bus demanding that he leaves the race because of his garbled up response to a question.
He took responsibility for his remark, better than Romney for the failure of Romneycare, and apologized for it. Why are we not throwing Romney under the bus? Oh that's right, pragmatism is much more important than principle.
I didn't comment on this topic yesterday, as I didn't feel I had enough info to form an intelligent opinion. The only thing I saw was a :38 second sound bite. He was thrown a "gotcha question" and perhaps didn't handle it well, to say the least.
The people of MO voted for him in their primary, so who am I to have an opinion, anyway? I was quite surprised how quickly so many people jumped on the band wagon to ask him to pull out of the race. I know it is a very important seat, but IMHO, this is just another distraction by McCaskill, so she must be scared.
They know full well if they bring up the abortion issue, they will distract and put that in their twisted narrative that Pro-lifers = war against women. There is no war against women, we are against killing yet to be born babies, regardless how they were conceived.
The man won the 3-way primary with 36% of the vote. However, he lost the actual vote by a margin of 36% for and 64% against. If he had won by an overwhelming majority i maight could understand him srtaying in. He won with the help of crossover democratic votes to select him over the other two candidates. MAN GO HOME THE COUNTRY IS AT STAKE!!!
When Planned Parenthood and McCaskill doesn't want him to drop out of the race, i think that says a lot... I understand people voted for him but that was before he said something so stupid it hurts. He's the distraction, and he gave her campaign new life when her seat was so vulnerable and there for the taking.
But why did they want him? They think he is too conservative? If so then it was probably for the same reason why Conservatives may have wanted him as well. There is plenty of time for this to blow over. It isn't October yet.
What media spin? Akin: “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.” He said some women have the ability to reject pregnancy if they are raped.
Since there is no primary we do not know. He misspeaks and now NO ONE is allowed to defend his position. Isn't that being a bit irrational and condescending? He is not trying to legitimize rape at all. He was hoping to rightly argue that there would be abuses to an exception clause if abortion was allowed because of rape.
Why are we buying the media spin and lies of RINO's is beyond me. We still have not learned our lesson and yet calmly state we will take over the party before 2016....
They probably thought he could beat McCaskill, but that was before he said that stupid thing, and if anyone tries to defend it or spin it they just sound just as stupid. If the election were held again today do you think he would still win the primary? My guess he would not.
I suspect he'll drop out. I bet the woman that Sarah Palin endorsed will end up on this ticket. I don't get the fabricated anger over this. I misspeak all the time. And I misunderstand much. I'm glad I'm no tbeing asked to leave for it.
Maxine, you and I see this the same way. I have heard barely a word about the democrat guilty have having sexual relations at that rest stop with a 17 year old boy but this story is everywhere. I blame the republicans. IMHO, this is an attack by the GOP establishment against the TEA party version of the GOP.
I am pretty sick of so called conservatives (like Huckabee and Loesch) who criticize those who admonish Akin. I am an American before I am a conservative- PERIOD. My BS detector is not selective. Where is it written that we conservatives cannot win *and* have principles? Truth has no agenda. McCaskill wants to run against Aiken. She invested millions in ads against other candidates. If Aiken goes forward knowing he does not have the support of the GOP financially or politically, he is purposely and knowingly surrendering the senate seat. No better than Obama purposely trying to ruin the economy.
Mike, I love your posts, you hit the nail on the head every time. But on this one I think its nuts to proceed with this guy, his chances are nil, nil !! He did it to himself. Words have consequences.
As to your question. Its a good one and let me try answer it. We need to win the Senate. That has National consequences. If we fail in Missouri and it makes the difference in the Senate then its a National problem because it effects us all. My even bigger, broader concern is the consequences here could be more damaging than failing to pick up Missouri, this is fodder for the Dems nationally.
Seems to me that you imply that unless you are from MO, you aren't allowed to have an opinion on this subject. Why do you entertain Maxine from CA? Oh, thats right........ she *agrees* with you. Furthermore, when your hypocrisy is brought to your attention, you ask me if a woman has ever falsely accused a man of rape? Priceless. I have no more time for you.
I think the reason it is elevated to national attention is because of the Senate majority the R's Must Have if we are to turn this ship around.
If he was in a local/state race, I would urge him to keep up the good fight.
I could almost forgive him for staying in if he was articulate in defense of his position - quite the opposite though, it is painful to listen to him.
I didn't say that at all. I just don't think one man's misguided opinion should jeopardize our entire nation. (as we speak, he is reading another person's explanation of his use of the word "legitimate" on Hannity)
At least you admit that pragmatism is more important than principles. I guess principles only matter at the local/state level of elections....sigh
I bet he does drop out. I can't blame him for trying to take his pound of flesh for being dismissed.
I personally think the RNC and some republicans in general are totally over reacting and being hypocritical. They court the Conservative Christian vote and give lip service to their cause, but once the elections are over, nothing ever happens. During elections, it is always Shhhh!, don't say anything too crazy because moderates might not vote for us.
This will blow over before the convention and I predict conservatives will back Akin to victory in November.
I tend to agree. There's a political reality here that is in your face. But there are deeper truths that Republicans don't want to acknowledge. Either it's life or it's not. What makes the child of a rape less of a life that many Republicans are so willing to abort because of political fallout.
Republicans put themselves in this stupid position of supporting abortion "in certain cases" because they won't defend absolute truth in front of Democrat vultures who love to pick any carcass no matter how old and dried out.
As for Akin... his comments were clumsy, but not without some validity. But subtlety and nuance of argument is truly lost on Democrats, and Republicans and conservatives play dumber to Democrat dumber. And Levin is right... Clinton and Kennedy can commit it all... and not once did a Democrat of significance throw them under the "well deserved" bus. But we throw anyone under the bus for hiccups.
And Republicans run around the chicken yard squawking and squawking.. the big bad Democrat is coming with an axe.
Should Akin drop out now? Yes. But Republicans are truly pathetic. God save us from them too.
What Aiken said was not a "misspeak." The first thing someone says is how they really feel. How can rape ever be legitimate? And where did he get this crazy idea that a woman can will her body to biologically shut down to prevent pregnancy from this violent act? He's truly "out of touch" with reality and has no business being in a position where he can vote on legislative issues.
So to be fair, everything you say first is always the way you feel. You have never said something that you never ever felt or got tongue tied? You are now twisting his own words.
He was not trying to say that there is "legalized" rape, but what are ways in which girls do not abuse a provision that abortions may happen in the case of rape. Do you see the difference?
The whole problem is that the argument is illogical in the first point that one cannot defend a pro-life position and then think it is okay to murder the child if the union was not legal. Should the father of that child pay? Absolutely and as severely as possible. However, a life is a life.
No he isn't. You are not understanding what he said because he said it very poorly. How many stories have there been where a woman accuses one or more men of rape and later it turns out that no sex happened or it was consentual but the woman got angry later and made false accusations? Several, so in my opinion he was trying, badly, to differentiate between an actual rape, as in a crime, versus a false accusation. Being a man who isn't married and dates, this is a very touchy subject for me. A woman can destroy you by making an accusation like this and it doesn't matter that you never laid a finger on her. The most scary part is, as soon as an accusation is levelled many people immediately assume that she is honest and the man is a felonious criminal.
Mike, come one. Two separate issues here. Yes, there are (and will continue to be) instances of false accusations of rape. The left is skewing the 'legitimate' terminology to meet their spin. That's not even what we (the women on the right) are PO'd about.
The guy stated that we, as females, have the ability to shut the whole thing down in regard to getting pregnant. Which is just ignorant. We don't. And women DO get pregnant as a result of rape & incest. Minimizing it or saying we have the ability to prevent the resulting pregnancy is not a welcome strategy.
Like I said above, I'm all for debating whether there are special circumstances for ending a life. I'm just not for debating the subject with someone who fails to grasp the basic biological functions of a woman's body... I'm especially not for sending him to the Senate - we have enough ignorant asses there already.
I've not heard anyone on our side say he was malicious - just ill informed, ill prepared and completely mistaken if he really believed the lone doctor peddling that information.
The other side is always going to assign malicious intent because that's how politics are played. I mean, really, we have no problem assigning malicious intent to Weiner, Clinton, Obama or this democrat having sex with a 17 yr old (I'm all for talking about that POS too). The other side plays even dirtier so it's expected.
I just have a low tolerance level for dumb asses being elected to Congress. We have enough there already. I think I'd run out of comment area if I tried to name them all. Getting competent people elected to Congress is a top priority.
I'm looking forward to when we can go back to talking about this wonderful economy... I mean, the private sector is doing fine, dontcha know. Businesses are making more money than ever. Happy days are here again!!! ;-)
Now, I agree that you shouldn't make an appointment with the man after mistaking him for an OB/GYN. Clearly, medicine is not his strong suit but this whole subject stills stinks of the, "You must be perfect, cannot misspeak and you damn well better not offend me or your toast." That isn't what the first ammendment is about. He made a mistake. A dumb one, but to suggest his intent was somehow malicious against women is patently ridiculous.
He will, ultimately, step down but we do not need to make this entire discussion a nation issue. Why not, instead, talk about the democrate senator caught having sex with a 17 year old boy in a rest stop bathroom. This Akin story is out pacing that story by a ton. It doesn't make any freaking sense. We are playing right into Maobama's hands by making this much of a fuss over a rather dim bulb.
Whatever dude... I really hate it when people pull the whole 'Are you Jesus?' crap. Do you ask that about those of us who were disgusted with Anthony Weiner, Bill Clinton or the d-bag that got it on with a 17 yr old in a restroom? Just because I'm human doesn't mean I can't have an expectation of a certain level of knowledge and competency if you are being elected to a public office.
The Senate & House are a must have at this point if we are to turn around the country. I'd prefer it if people would stop elected dumb asses to our elected office. We have enough of them already in Congress and they are ruining our country. Do you dislike Pelosi, Reid, etc? Do you voice your opinoin regarding their being elected? Why is it different in this case?
I'm not going to apologize for having standards. It used to be what set up apart from the liberals.
Are you Jesus?
He is the only perfect person who ever lived. Sure you have made mistakes. He messed up and apologized and asked forgiveness. Your own problem if you will not forgive but not nice of you.
Right now it is an outright lie to say this about him as he has explained he had bad information and now has correct information.
Time to move on and elect him. He is far better than Clair and won his primary playing by the rules.
It is those attacking him that want to cheat the voters out of their choice and you are helping the cheaters.
Rush was right. "I am tired of defending these guys. I am tired of being smarter than they are." It is not hard to talk about women that have been raped. Why not just defend the sanctity of life? Why should the unborn be punished for this act? Do something positive with that life. I know some will say everyday that person will be reminded of the heinous act. I can only Imagine the horror BUT what about those who can't have kids that would love and cherish that baby for years to come? That is how I would defend abortion. That aside Akin needs to go away because if you can't explain conservative values across the board then don't run for office.