I feel I have a fairly good understanding of the Romney-Ryan Medicare plan -- except for the Medicare part A insolvency that is just around the corner as soon as 2016 but NLT 2024. Anyone hear how that part of the Medicare fiasco will be specifically handled?
Maybe someone can help me with this. I've heard libs say that the cuts to doctors are just cuts to "overpayments". What the hell does that mean? From what I understand, government already reimburses doctors less than what insurance companies do and many doctors already won't accept Medicare or Medicaid patients. How can they call low reimbursement rates "overpayments"?
The administration classifies their intended Medicare cuts as "overpayments", implying something that it isn't. Today, doctors are already receiving 20% less for services administered to medicare patients as compated to the general population. The $716B of diverted funding from Medicare to Obamacare will force doctors to abandone Medicate patients because of even greater reductions in reimbursements, and the key effect will be hospitals that will go under based on over $400B of that $716B being taken from their reimbursements.
BTW, if this were "overpayements" where was the president at the beginning of his administration making the case for this? He didn't because this is a contrived reason.
I was right in what I thought they were referring to. Thank you for confirming it.
I had a lib argue with me about this and he claimed that the result of doctors turning away medicare and medicaid patients was intentional. It's meant to force people to shop around and find the best prices. Dumbest argument I've ever heard. Well, that's a stretch, because they make a lot of dumb arguments.
Do you really believe anything the libs say? I wonder if any independent group has the percentage of "truthful" to untruthful statements made by the libs.
I don't believe anything the libs say. I just wasn't sure what they were referring to about "overpayments". Government already has extremely low reimbursement rates so I couldn't see where they were claiming the overpayments were. Evidently they were referring to payments that are already too low.
It's like paying someone $2 an hour for wages and then say they are being overpayed.
Here's what is happening is Massachusetts, home of Romneycare, which spawned the evil Obamacare. My question is-if elected, will Romney out and out repeal Obamacare or, will this become the new normal for healthcare across the US?
Mass. Gov. Patrick Signs Bill to Exert Control over Health Providers
I am Canadian and therefore, have grown up under socialized medicine. Here's what's happening in my province, at my doorstep these days when it comes to rationing and waiting.
"A North Saanich woman has been told she'll have to wait until the fall to have a cancerous lump removed from her breast because her surgeon cannot get enough operating time during the summer months."
Lydia Wingate, 79, knows she has a cancerous lump in her breast but she doesn't know its severity. She won't know with certainty the cancer's stage (1-4), or grade (how aggressively the cancer is growing) until the lump is removed and examined, she said.
"I'm left in limbo until the fall," Wingate said."
Test not funded in B.C. useful tool in treating breast cancer: study
Romney has sworn he will repeal obama-scare, hopefully he will keep his word. The prospects of good health care will evaporate if bo wins re-election.
What they say is a lot different from what they actually do when they get elected. What makes me wonder, is he did say he'd repeal it.... but if he's elected, how hard will he work to get the ball rolling, or will other things keep taking priority? Other than a handful of conservatives in the house (Bachmann and a couple of others) I haven't heard many others speak passionately enough about it. My fear is, it's passed and now it's another part of government we'll never get rid of no matter how many politicians say we need to get rid of it.
Bottom line, why study hard for years, accumulate huge debt, to become a Doctor? Altruism? Is this the beginning of the end of the best health in the world?
The only way the obama regime will be able to deal with the medicare problem is through the increased use of death panels. Those death panels will be full of bureaucracy and you will have to pass multiple tests before being able to see a Dr.
The first question is...
Who did you vote for?
The answer to that question will determine if you are allowed to proceed to the next step of the death panel bureacracy.
We need to cut Medicare. It's bankrupting the nation.
KEEP Obama's Medicare cuts. REPEAL his socialized healthcare plan.
If hyper inflation hits, it might cost a million dollars to go to a doctor's visit. I think that we need a quadrillion dollar savings account for medicare. That should shore it up.
I have said this very same thing before. I am on Medicare. I have seen the cuts. I feel the cuts and I am preparing myself for what is coming. I said it before.....those in Washington knew that they would experience this baby boom crisis and they never prepared for it. Then along comes Obama and his 716 million dollar cut takes effect. That was said over a year ago....it was to pay for Obama care. Anybody that cannot understand this or votes for Obama again has got to have a screw loose or just does not give a DAMN.
Spread your experience to everyone you know. The seniors are the hope to rebuild America with a true American President (Romney) and Vice President (Ryan). R Squared will be honest with us and seek our input to save Medicare for you and for my generation (>55) and the generations after me.
This is enlightening and confirms what I believed to be the truths of Ryan and lies of Obama.
However, if the inept Republicans don't paint this picture clearly enough and convince America about what is true and what are lies, then it's a moot debate. The good guys will continue to point out that the bad guys are lying or at best, exaggerating about the good guys' plan and the bad guys will keep saying that the bad guys are right and the good guys are wrong (no matter how untrue that is to do that)... back and forth, with very few Americans really understanding what's false or what is true.
I hope the good guys win.
In England, the ones who can afford it pay for private doctors to treat them. Of course, these are going to be the best doctors. In some cases, they may leave the country for specialized private treatment. After all, they are rich.
There are two tiers of treatment, one for the rich which they pay for out of pocket, and one for the poor which is free but of much lower quality and with very long wait times.
With the advent of Obamacare, you will see a similar divide. The rich will have their private clinics and hospitals which will be unavailable to the poor or even the middle.
There will be a huge increase in private doctors and private clinics. It will lead to a two tier level of care. It will fundementally change healthcare in America, and not in a good way.
It's not much better in Canada. In May and June my best friend in Quebec was diagnosed and treated for pneumonia. In July she passed away when the cancer spread from the lungs to intestines. 2 years ago it took her 14 months to to get laser surgery on one eye. Under Obamacare it will be worse than that here.
I worked in Canada as a nurse. The way it works: A government apointed board of individuals from each provence decides how the health care budget will be used. For example only 2 cardiac bypass surguries a week. That means if you need surgery you get on a waiting list. Just think what can happen when you have to wait 1 year. That is why anyone with enough money comes to the US for surgery. Of course you pay for that "free" health care with very high taxes...
The real question is what will happen to medical insurance companies. If on the one hand the rich are either paying out of pocket or using private insurance, and on the other the care is covered by the government, then who needs insurance at all as it exists today? This scenario would put a lot of companies out of business.
But yes, in any country with national health care you will find two main characteristics. You will find death panels and stories about people who died waiting to see the doctor or waiting for treatment. These are a natural part of any national health care system.
And unfortunately, for us, I don't see Republican's actually repealing as they promised. Michelle Bachmann and Steve King were the only two talking about defunding it in 2010, but Boehner continues to fund it. God help this country!
Regarding the death panels and people dieing waiting for treatment, why is that denied so often and ridiculed on a regular basis, in your opinion?
Heres our deal.
We've been married for 28 years. Hubby's a veteran. (Disabled in the eyes of the Government but not ours).
Anyway, after the war, he went on to work full time+, go to college when he could and eventually earn 3 degrees. Like all couples, families, we've struggled, had lean years: peanut butter and cracker years: but we saved, and skrimped.
After working all of his life, hubby retired, and chose to take his Social Security. Something HE PAID INTO FOR THE PAST 35-40 years. After having our son, I retired from working as well ( you all know that story). Sometimes financially, it wasnt easy- but the good times together as a family were well worth the things we had to give up.
Im not eligible for SS yet, and even when I have looked at the calculator they have online the little bit I would garner monthly would barely be enough to pay for one or two utilities.
With both of our SS's it still wouldn't be enough to cover our BLUE CROSS monthly premium.
I guess my point is, anyone - on either side of the aisle who thinks Social Security is going to be a "Safety Net" and is going to be enough to sustain them is clearly not up to date on finances.
It is important for every 20, 30 and 40 year old to know that it is up to them to save, and plan ahead for their own retirement.
Anything you may receive from Social Security in the future, if the Ryan/Romney plan corrects and saves it will be benefical and helpful toward your existence but will not fully support you, unless you plan to live in a hovel.
If you have slowed the money being deposited into an 'account', then take from that account over time to place into another account, all you're doing is paying the monthly fee to keep the account open?
So in essence, Obama is just keeping the Medicare account open until after the election and Obamacare starts up in 2014. Then he'll close the Medicare account.
Guess I better start looking for pro-obama, pro-obamacare, liberal democrat doctors, because you just know they will accept whatever the government pays them or take nothing at all.
We do know that liberal democrats always put their money where their mouths are....
edited to add, is there a snowballs chance that this would be seen by any liberal bo supporter.....ever?
What will happen is that the gov't will import doctors from overseas to fill the gap left when US docs leave the profession. It used to be the county hospitals were staffed by the bottom tier of the profession. Now it will be all hospitals, clinics, and medical offices as the top tier "go galt"
There will be no liberal doctors accepting medicare!
Libtards do not put there pocketbook where their mouths are!!
The doctors that stay will be liberal doctors because they will be getting kickbacks under the table from Obama, if he's still around, paid for by us, the taxpayers, causing the cost of healthcare to skyrocket even further.
But, if you like the taxes you are paying now, you can keep the taxes down the road. They will just add a few dozen percent to them.
I think what Obama meant by a single payer plan was that there would only be one doctor left for us to pay, and we would all have to make an appointment to see him. Let's see a doctor works about 40 years, there's 2000 working hours in a year, that's 80,000 working hours (4.8 million minutes, 288 million seconds) and 315 million people - each of us gets less than one second of medical care per lifetime.
Better call in the Death Panels.