I'm a pro-gay Republican, and I would have walked out too. I may disagree with my brothers and sisters on the Right, but I'll always uphold the dignity of their views against the bullying "anti-bigotry" of the radical Left (and no, I don't think I'm exaggerating in calling Dan "All Republicans should f*cking die" Savage a radical). He's a hypocrite, and a bully, and a would-be Stalin shackled only by the chains of democratic decency. I won't dignify him with respect or time, except as far as I need to ensure he stays as far away from the reins of power as possible.
Besides, he's not exactly a role model even for the gay conservatives I know. They believe in strong families and traditional sexual morality (suitably adjusted for gender neutrality), and he's exactly the sort of promiscuous gay stereotype that they don't want to be. They remember what AIDS did to their community in the 1980s, and what the slower but all the more insidious poison of sexual "liberation" is doing to American culture going forward. Dan Savage is not the future of the gay community, can't be the future of the gay community.
To see how sick Savage really is, check out MassResistance's report:
Scoop, please don't take this down. Everyone on this blog needs to open their minds to this. I kid you not. Rap has even been taken over. Hahaha!
I've seen this. He may have been picked on when he was young, so now that he has his chance, he's going to be the bully to someone else instead of being a bigger man and ending his bullying with himself. It happens from time to time. One of my classmates was picked on, is now a pretty powerful guy in the community, and now pushes others around.
So is big brave savage going to go after Muslims too?
I mean if he finds Christianity offensive, then how does he feel about Islam and Islamic states sanctioning the murder of homosexuals?
This guy has zero integrity.
Savage’s argument is not with these kids – it is with God himself. So, let him throw his fist in the face of God and argue with Him.
The pace at which persecution of Christians is accelerating in America is astounding. For decades we have prayed for and supported the persecuted of Asia, Africa, the Islamic nations, and communist countries, and I have often heard it said that more Christians were martyred in the 20th century than in all the centuries since Christ combined, but I think American Christians have supposed that it cannot happen here.
We have been like the frog placed in a pot of cold water on the stove; that by the time we realize the water is beginning to boil it is too late and we can’t jump out.
Persecution begins with angry lies. We are now at the point that our children can be publically harassed, ridiculed, and bullied with the approval of public educators and the majority of their fully indoctrinated young students.
Never mind that the battle for the abolition of slavery in England and America started in the pulpits of Christian churches. The truth has no place in anti-Christian propaganda.
It is a sad day for those of us whose ancestors were martyred in Europe because they loved the Word of God and would not bow to powerful, ruling, apostate religious authorities.
You are assigning the teachings of Ancient Judaism (Old Testament) to Christianity (New Testament). Do a bit more research on theologies and faiths before running your mouth and coming off as unlearned fool. I would also advise you find a dictionary and look up the word "tantrum", you'll find the definition closer to the behavior of Mr.Savage than to the actions of the students who actually showed a great deal of restraint by just walking away.
I am now going to give you the free time to work on it, good bye, good luck and have a nice life.
Who is Dan Savage "pushing back" against? Have these high school students bullied him in the past? Or is he lumping all Christians together into a group?
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To walk out when someone is verbally disrespecting God, His Word, and His children is not expressing hatred of that person, but of the evil spewing out of that someone's mouth.
I am thankful for those students who were brave enough to go with their convictions and walk away from this reviler of God.
Why all the Christian hatred. I think it's because so many cannot live up Christian values, that it's just easier to hate than to try and live a moral life. God have mercy on their souls.
It is a little sad that I am surprised they were able to get a teacher from liberal CA to speak out against this speech. He was right in every way (IMO).
Wow, if anyone comes to these forums as a guest and reads this crap they must really have a negative opinion on the so-called Christian right. I am a republican, a christian, and gay. However, it seems to me that the majority of posters on this site cannot abide ANY kind of variance from their own social norms. It should shame many of you that you read, like, and just allow people to gang up on others ad hoc with zero thought that the behaviors so exhibited are exactly what Christ taught us to not do. I am sorry I stirred the pot so to speak, but really, I have been reading this site for well over a year and EVERY time a gay subject is raised this exact thing happens. What ever happened to just saying you would pray for those who you disagree with? Well, I pray for many of you on here whether or not you think you need it. I need it. We all do.
Really, some of you need to take a look at what you post and ask yourself if you really feel good about it. Libertyandtyranny, onthemark, rshill, stephen, kimberly, and others. Look and TRULY read what you write and how you respond and then tell me that I am a troll for raising valid points. I am no lib or bleeding heart. However, you must know that many gays and lesbians are sick and tired of being treated like shit by the Christian mainstream and THIS is what comes of it. Live and let live people... Peace be with you
By coming into this thread so late, I have been able to read all the comments Brian and added a few of my own. While I see humans acting human as far as getting our dander up when we are shown such hypocrisy of Dan Savage bullying at an anti bullying forum, I also see passionate folks who, all being different, have different ways of responding.
I'm not one to usually call out people or nit pick others' comments, because I think everyone who comes here to Scoop has a valid opinion, whether I agree with it or not, and I appreciate so many putting up with my butting in and often giving my own opinion when it's not asked for.
If you've been coming to this site for so long, and not just to the stories having to do with gay issues, I think you'd know many of us by now in the way we respond to stories and to those who comment to us. Some of us have been very passionate over some story or another, but you know, we've all got a different way of responding. If you have been coming here for a long time, you would know- and I'm going to use Rshill as an example because he is the one you have made a point to single out, but you'd know that yes, he does have a very abrasive way when it comes to defending the Bible. He can be swift with a word, which sometimes could leave someone stinging a bit- but you know what? He is also one of the most loving, honest people on this site. He does it because he cares. I have some other friends who are just as hard, and they are from military back grounds. Either raised in it, or joined themselves. Am I using this as an excuse, no not at all, just pointing out the fact that every one of us are different and come to issues in a different way.
Some of us are a little more bold in our "preaching" because, well for me anyway, I look at it as Jesus called us salt. Do you know what salt does? For one, it stings, just like Rshill's and a couple others words do. It cleanses, much like Grace and a couple of others. It purifies, just like the Word of God preached by those who trust in His Word, like Puritan and Galations and others do. We are being salt Brian. In each our own different ways. And you can be sure of one thing. That you may not believe it, but I know a lot of folks are praying not just for you- but for a lot of us here. We pray for each other. We tell each other the Truth. Jesus is the Truth, the life and the way Brian, and while non of us are perfect none of us deny Him either. And I think there in lies the problem. It's not us that folks have a problem with, its Jesus.
I feel great about each and every word, every jot, every tittle that I posted sir.
You stirred the pot. You have issues. Those issues are yours, not ours. If you did not want any input, perhaps you should have left it alone. You cannot expect to give your opinion and have it go unchallenged. If you want your opinion unchallenged, keep it to yourself. This entire site is 95+ percent opinion and the rest, news clips etc.
Again, I am quite proud of what I've written on this page. I am also proud of what I've written on every other page. No one wants or needs to know what kind of sex you have, OK? We also do not care what color your underpants are or whether or not you eat boogers. Too much information. Get it?
I Corinthians 6:9-10 NAS
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
If you are a Christian and practicing homosexuality then you're backslidden and need to repent.
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Not sure what part of this is so confusing for so-called "gay theology" adherents.
You can call yourself a lot of things, but a born again Christian isn't one of them.
I find that ironic when you say "If you are a Christian and practicing homosexuality then you're backslidden and need to repent." where you when christians started every American war? or when christians had slaves or did not let women vote or hold office?
where was the pope or ministers; pastors condemning those as unchristian?
where the christians condemning child labor? or the creation of the nuclear bomb or chemical weapons?
where are christians when more innocent people have died from the war on terror than the people in 9/11?
And yet again, no one is READING what I wrote. Instead, it's time to bash me for being gay... really it is not hard... read then discuss.
no one freaking care whether you are yellow, blue, gay or virgin,you can not drag all into the hole you fell in. since you bring it up in open, it's a waste of time to focus on your own view that is not taught in the Bible.
You appear to be the only one going on about your gayness. By your avatar, I never would've guessed. And unless your name was something equally banal like "Dick FitzBrian" I wouldn't know, either.
I will pray, but you are still in direct rebellion against God. I encourage you for your own sake don't lie to yourself. You know what you should do. Do it. If not, don't call yourself a Christian. And to be fair, I say that to ALL who are living in immorality right now and expecting God to just embrace it. Not just homosexuals. God will not be mocked.
"Come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you..." 2 Corinthians 6:17
I'm not bashing you...stop being so defensive...stop deflecting. If you're a Christian brother then it is my obligation to you as a Christian brother to confront you about your sin. Don't justify it. Don't condone it. Repent of it. (turn from it)
"For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside." --1 Corinthians 5:12-13
Please Brian, don't wait to take it uo with your minister- take it up with the Lord NOW. Do not wait, as Jesus will hear you any time, not just in church. Ask with a sincere heart and listen to what He says. We don't always like what He says, but like a parent with wayward children, He loves us enough to discipline us!
Yep...it's sickening...and I'm sorry you're agnostic. Please don't allow the background noise of "modern Christianity" to dissuade you from the Lord. The two are completely independent of one another.
The Bible has prophesied the sin of this modern church..
And I'm not an old timer either.
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils..." 1 Timothy 4:1
That age is upon us.
Stage9, my father-in-law is a preacher in Texas. I made a bet with him that by the time I'm his age, to bring in revenue, preachers will be preaching that the bible tolerates homosexuality. I'm an agnostic, used to be atheist. I see church becoming very politically correct, with the coffee shops, bookstores, etc.. You think church is becoming that way?
If Jesus were to preach what most preachers preach today He never would've been crucified.
And it doesn't matter one iota what "I like"...The Gospel is not a Gospel of personal opinions...it's the Word of the Living God which rules and reigns over all. It only matters what God says, not what you or I say. And His Word is holy and final.
No, we should all be CHRISTIANS as outlined by the Word of the Living God. If you have a problem with God's Word, you have a problem with God and by association a problem with Christianity.
I hope struggling gays ARE in the Church! But someone who is STRUGGLING with homosexual feelings and someone who is OPENLY PRACTICING homosexuality are two different things. The first is seeking to be conformed into Christ's likeness, has repented and turned away from sin. The second is in open rebellion against God and seeks to justify his sin.
It is NOT just "between us" (you and Christ)...sorry friend that isn't how the Body of Christ works. You don't just show up to church practicing open sin and expect the church to conform to you! The Church is a Body of BORN AGAIN sinners who have TURNED FROM sin. Those who are IN SIN sitting in the pew, if they aren't convicted of their sin, the church is damning them already.
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father’s wife. And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you." 1 Corinthians 5
Immorality was confronted in the first century and needs to be confronted now. Read your Bible friend. it's all in there.
Really... sigh... I suppose we should all be what, Southern Baptists? Really? I guess the Church of Christ and Episcopal and Presbyterians and the like should just fold... and those damnable reformed churches!! You do realize that your church probably has many gays in it right? Who leads your praise and worship? Choirs? Ringers? Before you cast your stones at me for being a gay man in Christ's church I humbly submit to you that my relationship with Him is between us. You have nothing to do with it.
If your minister isn't confronting you about your sin then HE'S backslidden to! You need to find a new church. Wearing a smock doesn't make you a doctor; wearing a collar doesn't make you a minister.
And to clarify, I DISAGREE with how Dan Savage presents himself, completely. That being said, go and read and listen to what he has to say and why he said it in follow ups. I may not like the delivery (most should not) but the message is worth hearing as it shines a light on how many LGBT people in America feel.
His point is that if the norm were reversed and Christians were all of a sudden a small minority in this country and were constantly being told they were sinners, cast out, evil, agenda driven, immoral, etc etc etc... Christians would feel very uncomfortable and probably act out and do it loudly. Therefore, you get your Pride demonstrations and vocal and angry gays. Just food for thought and CIVIL discussion.
Christians are the ONLY group in this country it is still OK to insult. Gay people are celebrated all over this country, especially in the media. Christians are vilified. So go be celebrated sir and leave us in peace. Go where that celebration lives. It does not live here. Most of us believe what we believe. If we can't change you, you shouldn't be floored that you cannot change us. You go ahead and be you and we'll go ahead and be us. You have to live with you and we have to live with us. Try to deal with that. I don't think any of us have a gay trophy to award you with.
Right. Sure, you do. We get it. Everyone else alive is reading you wrong. Everyone else here is not being civil, and you are. Right, sure you are.
The genius logic of Dan Savage. Let's demonstrate his fallacy in detail:
Because brutal homosexual rape occurs in prison; Dan Savage is guilty .......
This guy is a man-pig who coined that sludge about Santo(I shant put it down here, but needless to say it requires a shower afterward) he is small-minded, narrow-thinking, vengeful and bitter about whatever childhood issues he hasn't been able to maturely deal with. The saddest part is that he is given an avenue for his spiteful rants disguised as 'anti-bullying lectures' I hope this push-back tempers his approach, but I highly doubt it.
When you begin to realize the true face behind the homosexual agenda you can see the evil for what it is.
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