The coming war: Jihad in America

But sedition is not a right, and is criminal. And that's what the islamic orgs aspire to do.

I can't believe anyone would bring up Freedom of speech. How about the freedom of speech regarding the South Park episode or the case in Denmark?

Did you even watch the videos? It sure doesn't sound like it. They said they have proof that this is the intent of these groups and this is what they are preparing for.

Watch the videos before you comment next time because otherwise you sure don't know what you are talking about.

So this isn't enough to even raise your eyebrows? I mean, sure, do more investigation. Look up Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist. He came here in the 80's to participate Jihad in America and has since become and evangelical Christian. He knows an awful lot about this subject.

There's alot to be said on this subject, and I will post more as weeks pass, but I think this idea the they are not a threat to us and that we should not wage war on these radical islamic groups is preposterous.

Open your eyes.

If this in infact were a fearsom terrorist cell and the evidence was indeed there, the FBI should just arrest them. The fact that they don't, but rather have some anonymous dude talk about a supposedly looming doom, makes me very suspicious.

Old News, but its always nice to see another American awaken to the truth.

for all you could want to read about the evils of Islam go here. Pamela Geller of AtlasShrugs.com

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

First off, I'm sorry but I, unlike some other commentors I've read here, HAVE in fact done a LOT of research on CAIR and Islamics in America. I'll tackle the easiest first, CAIR.

CAIR is an unindicted co-conspirator in a court case about the funding of Hamas. Along with the Islamic Society of North America and the North American Islamic Trust. Hmmm. Smoke=Fire.. Yeah, that applies.

Now I have to take issue with ndes and pambas. You two are the worst case scenario of why America is going to get bloody and soon. You moonbats hide your head in the sand and never want to look at the big picture. I'm speaking of moonbats in general not you two specifically. I haven't read enough of your tripe to know.

Freedom of speech IS a sacred right in this nation. But their are limits. You can't call for the death of the President, You can't yell fire in a crowded theater, and you can't harrass or terrorize with your speech. Those things impede others' rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Islamics don't recognize freedom of speech. Look at what happened to (shudder) southpark and anyone else that makes a joke about the pediphile mohammad. As late as the 13th the asshat Islamic that was arrested in the NY subway plot used verses from the Quran to justify his attacks. And before you say that he's an isolated incident, he had met with 2 Al-Qaeda bigshots before the idiot was arrested.

As for the islamofascist angle…. The definition of fascist is a person who aspouses an authoritarian political point of view. Authoritarian, as in absolute domination, as opposed to Democratic or even Constitutional Republican ruling. (Pop Quiz: Are we a democracy? No. Sorry.) They (Islamo-turkeys) believe that Sharia law must be installed everywhere. Look at what's happened to England and France. Also, look at what they are doing overseas. Women are killed for being raped. Girls are kept out of school, most recently there are reports that girls (only) are getting sick at school.

So, based on what again, should we NOT call them fascists? Grow up and enough with the self hatred just because you happen to live in the greatest country in history. Understand your history. This is not a new war, America has been fighting Islam since there was an America (See also, barbary pirates).

If you don't get the blinders off of your eyes, you will be days late to the party when they force the fight here. And in case you haven't noticed, you foot-ball humping monkies, every terrorist attack on America has happened either through Islamic organizations or with their aid. To include the liberal's misapplied poster child for beating up militias, Tim Mcviegh. He met with and was seen with Al-qaeda members just before the OKC blast.

The bastard muslim that shot up fort hood was heard to yell Allahuakbar as he killed our soldiers. But hey, we're just being paranoid, right? Grow up, grow a pair, and go buy a new moral compass. Yours is screwed up.

These guys defending the rights of the people that want to destroy us probably never defend the rights of the TEA partiers. In the past couple weeks, one of the organizations they defend , CAIR , hacked into a Glenn Beck site. I still don't understand defending the rights of the enemy. The enemy that won't give the same rights to their people. Kinda makes you wonder who the enemy is sometimes.

Old News, but its always nice to see another American awaken to the truth.

for all you could want to read about the evils of Islam go here. Pamela Geller of AtlasShrugs.com

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

Iran is the Nazi's of today. Ahmadinejad is Hitler. Hitler was raising his armies and Europe did nothing. Chamberlain came back to Britain saying “look here, i have a signed document saying Hitler won't pursue anymore lands” and look what happened. Ahmadinejad is saying he wishes for the destruction of Israel while Obama does all he can to distance us from our ally. We hve to make a stand NOW because if our weakness is called by Russia and China and they support Iran, God knows how it will end

Pop Quiz where did Iran get its name?? From Aryan, as they fully supported the Nazi's

If these are former fbi agents, they were probably under oath or law to keep secret anything they know about concerning top secret matters. What doesn't sound right about this interview is the guys faces and image are in the shadows as if to hide and keep their identity a secret and yet they do not disguise their voices in which case the fbi could easily identify them through voice recognition technology. Could they really be trying to hide their identity and have their real voices clearly heard during the interview? What do you think?

pambas… you are a fool! Are the only people commenting on here other than myself, a bunch of ding-bat leftest, progressive, America hating idiots? If you do not fear the jihad movement, maybe we should nominate you as our hostage negotiator in the middle east?! You seem to feel no threat from them, until you say the wrong thing and they are at your door swinging a sword at your skull! Drop a big ass bomb on these crazy ass radicals and the world will be much better off with out them. And yes they do have close connections with the nazis! Do your research! Germany/ Islam, google it! Maybe you can wake up from this deep zombie sleep you are in! Have a great day!

ndes, I don't believe the enemy has any rights. Not when their intention is to destroy us. Your leader has weakened this country with his kiss the enemy's butt, ideas. His reaching out to Iran sure hasn't convinced Iran to stop working on nuclear weapons. They have nothing to worry about from this administration. It's a good thing we had brave men during the Revolutionary War and not some leader that thought he could talk our way to freedom.

To be fair here Scoop…I've been reading over the Qu'ran again and it repeats over and over again NOT to attack unless you are attacked first. My point in this is that it's NOT ISLAM which is the culprit. It's COMMUNISTS who HIJACK Islam for their own POLITICAL ends.

Freedom of speech, threats, and sedition are different things. I would say you go after threats and seditions the same way you would with anyone else. INVESTIGATE any reports of such activities. I don't doubt for one second that there's some group that's infiltrated our government. The question is how do we address it? Do we actually wage a jihad or do we try to dig out the root of the problem?

Facism is the right word and we should all know from looking throughout history that facists lie. Lying about their true reasons would be what I think these groups and organizations are doing. Would they have NEAR as many supporters if they DIDN'T USE RELIGION? Probably not. Heck…they'd probably get about the same amount of support IF NOT MORE if they USED CHRISTIANITY, but they're aware that the European people are MORE EDUCATED than the mass majority of Arabs who support them.

See? THIS is more like it. Let us not deny rights to others, but just STAND STRONG to our own. If they want to threaten us…keep it up. Hell yeah, dude.

Once again…let's deal with the actual terrorist mentality and not the LIE which uses religion to justify these actions. If America wasn't already so tied in to the global government which is growing day-by-day, then we could've EASILY wiped this entire movement out a long time ago. The idea of the global government is to distract people with violence and celebrity gossip and everything else they can think of until they've already implanted themselves so deeply that by the time people find out, they're shocked and unsure as to whether they can reverse it.

I think WWI might be an exception to what I just said, but I don't believe there are any other examples of America starting wars.

Do you actually read the news in the USA or do you just follow the lefty sites?

Your comment “overblown non existent threat” is completely untrue.

What I'm saying IS : There are people who want to commit criminal activities and kill people to spread their message, SO LETS DEAL WITH THIS SECURITY PROBLEM

Now if you jump to a global Islamic conspiracy to wage a ''civilizational war against the west'' then I will get you a tinfoil hat and some aspirin

Tyler is a leftist. Still on about the “New World Order.”

People are trying to but you and your ilk are Islam apologists.

When Ron Paul won the CPAC poll they have I could not believe the excitement from his groupies. They were talking about how Paul was going to win the presidency.

But the strange thing, at least for me, was how they thought that a Kucinich/Paul or Paul/Kucinich ticket was the answer.

Now I understand. I always thought the 'hate America Americans' were always the left of left Democrats. Plus you find the majority of Islam apologists on the left.

I always knew that the majority of Ron Paul groupies are out of touch with reality and they always seem to blame any faults in the world on America first. And judging by this thread, they also share the Islam apologist outlook.

Now I understand the Kucinich/Paul chatter. What a bunch of dbags.

So we must all prepare ourself against the incoming New World Kalhifate and the threat of Islamic World Domination ? Substitute certain worlds and you get Alex Jones nonsense.

The Coran was written in the 12 century by people who lived in constant warfare … you are surely going to find warmongering there … but does that imply that all muslim are enemies and dangerous ?

This is going far to paranoia …

Have you read any history on how Islam was started and what took place throughout the centuries? Islam is very long on violence and that is the norm. People who claim that it is only “radical” Islam that you have to worry about doesn't understand Islam. The radical is the norm.

The Qur'an wasn't written in the 12th century. Since the Qur'an is, as Muslims believe, the literal word of God – it has the same meaning during Muhammad's day as it does today. That is why there can be no reformation of their holy book.

Now where did I say “all” Muslims are dangerous?

Cool. Even though I really wish you would maybe look into what I'm talking about instead of just dismissing me as some sort of “liberal apologist,” which I'm NEITHER…I'll at least start looking into PJTV.

Haha. I honestly don't know why I bother to even reply to your comments. Time and time again, I've shown myself as someone who wants to bring some LOGIC into these arguments as opposed to just believing people who say that “Oh…it's not that people have criminal mindsets and are willing to hijack a different ideology and call it their own. It's CLEARLY the ideology which is hijacked that's the problem.”

So…I guess if people started blowing up building and using verses from the Bible to support their actions…we should consider CHRISTIANITY to be a threat?

Anyway. I'm willing to open my mind up to it as I have been for a while hence why I've actually bothered reading the Qu'ran which is actually pretty boring. I'm painstaking it for the sake of knowing for myself whether or not this is a “violent religion,” but I've seen no violence other than self-defense thus far in this book. Who knows. Maybe I'll find that there's something I missed. I'll keep reading and be more than glad to say “Acidock. I was wrong and I'm sorry.” should I find anything contradicting my current views on the subject matter.

I put you in the quack group a long time ago. This is nothing new.

The only thing that Ron Paul actually has to do with this thread is the fact that Paul recently stated that sanctions against Iran was a precursor to an unlawful war.

As I said before…strawman and red herring arguments.

So then do you agree?

And who said anything about suspending the rights of POWs?

Still waiting for you to tell me with Qur'an you have read.

Btw, did you know that the overwhelming majority of Muslims have never read the Qur'an? It is taught to them in regular and religious schools. In mosques.

So they only know what their teacher has told them. That is why the conversation is sometimes so weird when talking to a Muslim, because they simply don't have a clue of what is in their own texts. Some of them learn some verses by rote so they can reel off one or two of the less threatening verses.

From what I've seen of your attempts to argue in favor of this “Islam isn't actually a religion, but a facist idea,” style of thinking…I could just as easily place you in the quack group too, so WELCOME BROTHER.

The word “apologist” refers to the idea that I go around telling these people that I'm sorry for something. I can assure you I don't nor have I ever.

However, I also do not fear them because to fear anyone or any group of people is just a weakness in spirit and character…hence why I call these types of interviews, Wilders' “Fitna” propaganda, and other forms of Anti-Islam BS just a bunch of fearmongering which distracts people from the REAL problem which is a government that is growing larger and larger and starting to intertwine more and more with the IMF to plunder what liberties we have left.

This is the one I'm reading. http://tanzil.info/

Yes. I am WELL AWARE of this having been to a country where Muslims would tell me things like that I'm going to Hell cause I eat pork, but after spending some time in Hell, I'll repent and ascend to paradise. Didn't find THAT in the Qur'an either thus far. That'd be pretty nice though since the Christian religion is less forgiving in that sense.

That's the kind of stuff I'm talking about too when I say that WAR ISN'T the solution, but EDUCATION is. If we spent EVEN HALF the money on EDUCATING these poor kids who get sucked into the terrorist movements as we do FIGHTING them…this problem MIGHT have ALREADY BEEN SOLVED.

I see you clearly, once again, missed what the conversion was about.

There is no such thing as “radical Islam.” Islam is Islam. You simply are not getting it. The Islam that Muhammad practiced when he moved to Medina is still the same as today.

This right here is exactly why I'm reading the Qur'an. To find out if Islam itself is actually violent or if JUST THE PERVERSION of it is. So far…what I've read supports the LATTER.

I disagree that you aren't an Islam apologist. You have it all over you.

Well, my comment had nothing to do with what you wrote and your comment had nothing to do with this thread, so shall we call it a draw then?

So you don't have a hard copy?

Is that the one you read first time around?

My wanting to focus on a corrupt system which is growing more and more with each day and seems to not change a whole lot between “left” and “right” instead of worrying about the “big, bad brown man with a turban,” does not qualify for being an “apologist.”

To call me a “conspiracy theorist” or even a “truther” would be more accurate than an “apologist.”

It looks a lot like the one I read the first time around thus far. I borrowed one from an instructor a couple of years back. I believe it was called “The Qur'an: English Translation” or something to that effect. The only other thing I remember about the cover was that it was green.

As I've already stated, what you're referring to as the “violent verses of Islam” are actually self-defensive verses referring to the Crusades of the era.

The point of education as I mentioned before was for those people who can't read and therefore don't know what's actually in there. You put these words into proper context for them. You don't have to tell them it's not the word of God. Just let them learn the proper context of the very words they live by, so that terrorists will be LESS LIKELY to breed up from there.

OF COURSE numbers have to do with it. If LESS THAN 1/10th of a PERCENT of ALL the Muslims on planet Earth are actually committing violent acts…well…you DON'T HAVE PROPER CAUSE to wage war on Islam anymore.

I'm not exactly sure what you THINK I'm gonna respond with because HEY…if I'm NOT AGREEING with you, then I MUST be making stuff up. It sounds to me like YOU'RE the one who's not sure what else he can possibly say because he's ran out of substance.

Let me clue you in. They are part of Islam.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather KNOW FOR MYSELF by reading the ACTUAL TEXTS for MYSELF than just trust that some “expert” knows better than I possibly could.

To just go off of somebody else's word about Islam is like listening to Jerry Falwell or some other big shot televangelist.

If you read it for yourself and read the history for yourself, then you can get a much more clear picture. You think YOU'D want to do that since Islam seems to be your enemy. Know your enemy, right? You can't know your enemy all that well if you're getting second-hand information.

You assume that because the Koran have violent verses, then :

1- It gives muslims the means to attack
2- It gives muslims the willingness to do it.
3- Destroying the Koran and the Islam will destroy the threat

If you negate this then you are really in full double-speak mode

The empirical evidence suggest that terrorist are just a minority among muslims, and that religion is just one among other motivations from their acts and not that 1.6 billions human being are motivated by a irrational rage to destroy the west with their bare hands … which is utterly impossible

Lock for your ghost and monster somewhere else … I think a founding father must be spinning in his grave

My bad. Here it is. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_perca…

I'm not making excuses for terrorism. I don't condone nor will ever condone such actions. Actually, if ANYTHING…YOU are by saying “Well, their religion's telling them to do it.”

I assume you mean the Sunnah. I may do so, if I haven't already found proof of the “religion of violence,” by then.

How can you NOT ACCEPT that maybe…JUST MAYBE these guys are USING “Islam” (note the quotations) to fulfill their agenda?

Yes you are.

Yes, many Muslims follow in the path of Muhammad. If you know anything about Muhammad in Medina then you will know what I'm talking about.

But I don't think you do. You are an outright liar.

If THIS doesn't ring to your thick skull, then I'm not sure what will.

The reason I use numbers is simple. YOU try to say that Islam is responsible for the majority of violence…I just disproved that towards the bottom of this.

Also, you try to say that Islamic texts are full of violence, so the religion itself is a violent one. You would THINK that MORE THAN 1/10% of the TOTAL MUSLIM POPULOUS would be COMMITTING TERRORIST ACTS, if THAT WERE TRUE.

So…ya know…really just kind of sounds more to me like “I hate the brown people and I'm gonna stick with my guns even if they're loaded with the wrong bullets,” is your philosophy in this whole debate.

Let's not distort my post. It's LESS THAN 1/10th of a percent.

I'm not saying let's not be concerned with these people either.

I'm simply saying that the idea that it's the RELIGION and NOT THE FACIST MINDSET of the individuals in charge of these organizations is ABSURD.

Anyway. I'm done playing around with you, kid. You go after the big, bad brown guy and I'll try to get tot he ROOT of the problem instead. Goodnight.

Better yet…I NEVER ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED that it was EVEN THAT MANY who are committing violence. That was 1/10th of a percent HYPOTHETICALLY.

But no…be afraid. Be VERY afraid. HAHA.

Better arm up on rocket launchers NOW before Sherka Lerka Muhammad Jihad comes your way. HAHA.

Alright. Seriously now. I need to get some shut eye. Later, yall.

Btw, as an aside, right now, the world over, Islam is at the heart of the majority of violence (my guess is about 85 percent).

So please tell me exactly what do you want to do ?

''Btw, what do you know about the Qur'an? Are you Muslim? Did you grow up in an Islamic country? Or perhaps you have family members that are Muslims?''

Do you want to classify me has enemy combat or this is just my impression ? or this is just a spooky return to identity politics that only the left was good at ?

I've already explained everything I feel I can explain on this topic. Summary:

Whether these guys are taking over our government covertly or even if they're just hiding behind these organizations…we should not ignore anyone who threatens our country.

My suggestion though is to try to distinguish the difference by reading the actual texts instead of getting sucked into propaganda.

Acidopoholous…you're right about one thing. I should check out the Sunnah after I read the Qu'ran assuming that I don't find evidence of “God telling me to kill.”

Let us place things in their proper context when we read them though. That's the last thing I'm gonna post on this thread since I'm not a fan of this arguing with a brick wall game.

See, again, you are trying to change the subject.

This thread title or the posted videos are different than what you want to talk about. If you don't like this thread why did you post in it?

Just wait until another thread comes along that you prefer.

As far as this posted nonsense of yours …

“To call me a “conspiracy theorist” or even a “truther” would be more accurate than an “apologist.“

… that had nothing to do with this thread. You proved you were a truther a few months ago.

Yeah, read the Sira and the Hadith.

I believe I already mentioned tasfir.

What do you mean what do I want to do?

If you are an Islam apologist I do think you part of the problem. Countless of people in government and outside government keep making excuses for Muslims. It is time –long overdue– to stop that BS.

You sick creeps take the blame off of them and blame Americans. I think we are up to reason #833 why they hate us. That is total BS from them and the excuse makers.

You should read some of Sayyid Qutb writings and his disgusting views –when he visited Armerica– on Americans and why he hated them.

Where did I say I wanted a war with Islam.

Btw, you haven't pointed out the answers to my other questions. Still waiting.

There's a difference between taking the blame off of the religion (which is MY only aim) and taking the blame off the person…which I'm pretty sure NEITHER of us are doing. So…yeah. Remember the old saying? To assume is to make an ass out of “u” and “me.”

Who is talking one on one murder. I'm talking terrorist acts.

I'm not making excuses for muslims, I'm staying focused on the problem : which is terrorism, not Islam, if you can't make the distinction than you are going nowhere. This is a security problem, not a religious one.

I know some muslims and from what I saw they are just like the christian : read, pray, sin, pray, fornicate, pray.

Just normal human beings they can sometime get completely stupid and set of off a bomb, like Mac Veigh or just go about his life and get obese.

What is funny is that you keep saying that Islam is the problem, that it is in its core violent, that 85% of muslims are violent, then you go and say that you want no conflict ?

So if you have identified Muslims and Islam has the problem, you are going to fight who ? the germans ?

I used the number you threw out 3 times.

So, your lack of reading and you own interpretation is leading to your confusion.

That clears that up.

No your not. You are trying to give Muslims and Islam an excuse. Why don't you google how many Islamic terrorist attempts there have been against the US since Obama has been in office. It is staggering.

and you have confirmed my suspicions that you are against Muslims and Islam … so good day and good luck

Do you believe in waiting until they carry out their threats before they lose their rights? Threats against the USA are not covered under freedom of speech. If you believe it is, try threatening a government official. People that believe we should wait until the threats are carried out are going to politically correct our country out of existence. It's nice to be MORALLY SUPERIOR, but fighting a war against people that follow no rules will put you in last place. We need to take the threats seriously before it's too late.

There is only one thing anyone needs to know about Islam to form a negative opinion of Islam:

All Muslims believe that the Koran is the last, literal, true word of God and that the Koran is the only holy text that has never been touched by the hand of man. All Muslims believe that Muhammed was God's last messenger, and the Koran was revealed through Muhammed, who is considered a model Muslim.

That's it. That's the basis of Islam and if you don't believe that you are not a Muslim.

If you are a Muslim then you believe that all other religions and societies are not only invalidated by Islam, but are an insult to Islam. If you don't believe that Islam is the only true religion, and that all societies based on anything other than Islam is an affront to Islam and all Muslims, you are not a Muslim.

It's very simple. The term “People of The Book”, which many Muslim defenders think is sign of respect for Jews and Christians is actually a derogatory smear aimed at Jews and Christians. The “book”, meaning the Old and New Testaments, were corrupted. The Jews did it deliberately and have been Islams mortal enemies since the beginning, and the Christians are simply fools who are following a lesser Prophet called Jesus Christ.

When you understand that basic fact of Islam, you will understand that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

You mean the ones that the mainstream media are willing to report? Yeah. You're right on that one. Also, the whole notion that because the media's reporting so many more earthquakes than ever before, we're supposed to believe that there are actually more of them occurring when actual seismograph centers will tell you that it's just another normal year of earthquakes?

20 percent of 1.3 Billion people? You're suggesting to me that 260 Million people which is almost the entire population of this entire country are committing acts of terrorism? Okay. As I said before. Please show me the numbers and I might actually start to believe you.

I agree that threats should be addressed. I believe I said it up here earlier. If we actually enforce our laws and investigate threats and deal with them accordingly, then we won't have to sit around wondering “Why won't our government do anything,” because they will actually be doing their job.

My point about the enemy having rights is that a prisoner of war should have the same rights as any other prisoner. Right to a fair trial which if they're guilty…they'll receive their due punishment from there. That's what I mean by let's NOT suspend Habeas Corpus and that's what my moral superiority argument was entailing.

Now you are on to earthquakes?

You really should read the news from different sources instead of getting it from the lefty blogs.

You seem to be missing the fundamental argument, therefore, you are all out of sorts.

Muslims are committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam. They are holding up their holy book and using it as their guidance.

Your logic is so faulty. You clearly are an Islam apologist.

There's no point in me copying and pasting stuff you've already posted. It's all over the place. If the proof's already there, there's no need to make extra copies.

Okay. Now you are backing up your EPIC FAIL.

“Epic fail?” Are you still in high school? As I said last night…I have NO idea WHY I'm bothering to respond to you still other than perhaps I'm just interested to see what other nonsense you'll come up with next.

What's the source of that? Who are the experts and where did THEY get those numbers?

It is another epic fail on your part.

Just read back to the start of this sub-thread. Where I posted this to your charge of warmonger.

“Now where did I admit of even acknowledge that I like war. I be waiting, but I know I will be waiting for a long time. “

5 hours later and I'm still waiting.

A warmonger by definition isn't necessarily someone who likes war, but supports it which as I said…we can't get rid of Islam the way you want without a war, so you support ridding Islam which requires war which means you support war making you a warmonger. Good day.

You said that last night.

But facts are getting in the way of your leftist view.

I don't understand your point. There are 160 comments and I didn't read more than about 4 of them, so I don't know what you were arguing. Can I guess that you were saying that you've met a lot of swell Muslims so therefore they can't all be bad?

Yeah. I know. I have liberal friends who claim that all the time. Except they never seem to know these swell Muslims well enough to actually talk to them about Islam. The last time a friend defended Islam by mentioning her Muslim friend I asked her to add the friend on the phone with us and I'd talk them. Just had a couple of questions. Uh, gee, turns out they're not really friends after all. It was just some woman she met once.

Being polite and being respectiful are not the same thing. I agree that Muslims are very polite. That doesn't mean they don't consider you inferior. If they are Muslim, they do consider you inferior.

By the way, I'm an atheist so people like you and me are even lower on the infidel scale to a Muslim than Jews and Christians are.

I'm still waiting for some actual facts, bud…and last time I checked…Libertarians (which I am) are further right than any of you Neo-Con types.

My main point in the bulk of the blog is that if Islam truly is the religion of violence which is what Neo-Cons are trying to say to justify an all out war with Muslim people to somehow “rid ourselves of terrorism,” then there would be much more violence throughout the world than there actually is and the percentage of violence in the world attributed to Islam would be much higher than it is as well.

The instructor who I borrowed the English Qur'an from is a Muslim and I knew him fairly well for the 4 months I had his class before we moved on. He was a really nice guy and was more than glad to discuss our spiritual differences in a civil manner. He was great at answering my questions about the average Muslim person and even told me that Ramadan is not practiced as strictly in his particular household and there are times when he forgets to pray as often as he should, but because Allah is “all merciful,” it's not some kind of huge crime as far as he is concerned and still feels that he is Muslim because he sticks with the main 5 pillars of Islam.

There are also several Muslims women and men alike at my college and we are able to talk spiritual and cultural differences with no problem. Heck, I even tell them that certain parts of their religion and culture are weird to me making fun of them in the process and they simply reply that our culture is funny to them and poke fun at us too. To each their own really.

People of the Islam faith from my own personal encounters aren't any more smug about their own religion being superior in their eyes than Christians or Jews or anyone else who's religious is. Smugness kind of comes with the territory of religion which is one of many reasons I don't subscribe to one.

Exactly. A lot of car accidents happen that I don't blame Islam.

However, most the world's terrorism that has been happening this decade is brought to by Islam.

Muslim terrorists using the Qur'an for their terrorist acts.

If you're not trying to rid the world of Islam, then why are you posting all the Anti-Islam propaganda?

I've already stated my purpose, so I guess I should ask what is your purpose?

That's the problem. I don't buy into your claim that you are a Libertarian. I see you as part of the Paul/Kucinich brigade.

Once again, you say that most of the acts of terrorism are because of Islam, but I'm pretty sure the billion person starvation going on in Africa which has been happening a lot longer than just the past decade by the way has nothing to do with Islam and I'd have to say that's a much bigger crime.

Governments are the largest terrorist organizations on the planet, but nobody really seems to take that into account either. The very fearmongering that you and so many others have fallen victim to is an EXAMPLE of terrorism, so…I'll say what I said for your other outlandish claim.

Show me some evidence and I MIGHT believe you.

To stop Islam apologists like you from giving radical Muslims cover for their terrorism work.

Just the Islam apologists came out of the woodwork to try to give cover to Nidal Malik Hasan.

Just like they did with the Christmas day bomber and the countless of others who have been busting in just in the short time Obama has been in office.

I absolutely agree that those who are actually committing terrorist acts should be gunned down as well. Personally, I think the Geneva Convention is just a bunch of crap that was produced to prevent anymore large scale wars from ever happening again. After all…is there really any doubt that we could flat-out DESTROY these guys if we TRIED?

To clear up the mud about Muhammad…I'm not condoning pedophilia, but to make the claim that he was a pedophile without looking to the Bible is disingenuous, there was a lot of pedophilia by today's standards going on in the Christian Bible as well. Not to mention that it was just within the last century that OUR OWN COUNTRY raised the age of consent above 10. Early marriage and early sex was very common for all cultures throughout the world for a very long time because the average life expectancy was not very high.

As far as the violence Muhammad committed, you have to look at the historical context of what was going on at the time. The Christian Crusade was going on during that time and the Christians had a very imperialistic mindset intent on conquering Muslim lands. It was constant disputes for territory. The Muslims would try to take Christian lands and vice versa. So…it seems that depending on who you talk to, the Christians actually started that holy war and the Muslims were just following suit in defensive warfare.

To clarify so that MAYBE I can prevent one of Acidopholous' nonsensical insults…this is NOT JUSTIFICATION for terrorism nor is anything else I've posted thus far.

I don't know anyone other than other criminals who said “Hey…he had a good reason,” about either of those particular acts of terror.

I think there's something panambas actually touched on. “Double speak.” In other parts of this, you say there's no such thing as “radical” Islam. Then…in this very statement here…you say “radical” Muslim. Since there is no such thing as “radical” Islam, then how can there be such a thing as “radical” Muslim?

This is where your logic goes completely to crap. My opinion is that you and many of the people who think like you are watchin WAY too much Fox News. Obama's not taking “Islam” out of the counter terror strategy to prevent hurting the terrorist's feelings. He's doing it so that MAYBE we might gain some COOPERATION from the PEACEFUL Muslims who ALSO want the terrorism to stop.

Still waiting for some evidence. Tick tock tick tock.

If you have the facts, then please present them.

Nah. I stopped being religious a long time ago when I reached what I call the “age of reason.”

Terrorists GIVE THEMSELVES the excuse to act as they do. They don't need apologists which is why I find it funny that my defending a religion's right to be a religion granted by our 1st Amendment is somehow looked upon as “giving excuses to Islamic terrorism.”

Truly Muslim people will tell you that the terrorists are NOT ISLAMIC, but COMMUNIST. They use the Marxist philosophy of saying and using anything and everything they can to achieve their end means.

You don't have to be a Muslim or an “Islam apologist,” to see that people can easily lie to their teeth about what they are in order to gain a wider support of people for their cause. That's NOT ISLAM, but COMMUNISM.

If you ever actually listen to Alex Jones, he's completely against fascism in ALL forms whether it be governmental OR religious. He's also addressed the way Obama's treating Israel and also addressed the way that Obama's handling Iran poorly. A lot of his news is essentially the same mainstream media news, but bringing in what he feels is important from all sides and then adding in anything he feels they left out.

Personally…what better way to distract people and plunder what little wealth they have left and implement global taxation which will plunder the sovereignty of our great nation than to make them worry about the “big brown boogy man?”

People have too much of a habit of listening to people with “authority,” who'll tell them that this stuff is all “conspiracy nonsense,” but much of what's happening today Alex Jones & Ron Paul predicted LONG before anyone else did and everyone called them nutjobs. Now it's happened. Wanna listen or just keep brushing them off? Your call.

Since you have no real arguments left besides insulting me, I'm gonna get off of here and check back later for some actual substance…maybe some actual facts to support your ridiculous claims…or something like that.

You : I don't know anyone other than other criminals who said “Hey…he had a good reason,” about either of those particular acts of terror.

You need to get out more. I have read nothing but excuses from the Islam apologists.

Of course. Gaining support under the false pretense that this is “Muhammad's path,” and “Allah tells you to…it's in your Qu'ran,” is EXACTLy what a COMMUNIST organization would do.

Alex Jones is a quack.

Ask these nice Muslims you claim to know one question: Is killing in defense of Islam allowed?

If they say the Koran condemns the murder of innocents, that's true. You then need to ask them to define “murder” and “innocents”.

Nevermind. Your specific reference to an “English” Koran tells me that if you are not a Muslim yourself, you are sympathetic to its propaganda.

Have a nice day.

I thought I should mention something on a lighter note. It is boob day all over campuses and the Web. Groups are starting on Facebook.

Today is Boobquake 2010.

Today is Boobquake, an event started by American University student Jen McCreight in reaction to a Muslim prayer leader’s announcement that promiscuously dressed women cause natural disasters. Quoted by the Iranian media, Hojatoleslam Kazem Sedighi said, “Many women who do not dress modestly … lead young men astray, corrupt their chastity and spread adultery in society, which (consequently) increases earthquakes.”

muhammad died in the year 632 AD,the first crusade was launched by Pope Urban II in 1095 AD.

So…what you would be saying then is that it's NOT ISLAM which is the problem…but the “examples of the profit,” being only PART of Islam which is the problem. This is what I'm guessing now based on what you're saying here.

I don't follow the actual conspiracy theories like gospel. I just follow the trails of civil rights violations done all in the name of “fighting terror,” to rationalize that something isn't right about this so-called “War on Terror.” The intention is to keep our troops there. The purpose…I'm not sure, but the way we “police the world” instead of fighting a real war makes me feel like there's just something about it that doesn't smell right.

I'm aware that he was a pedophile by today's standards. I'm pointing out that such thing was fairly common at the time throughout the world and even just as recently as the last century in America, the age of consent was 10 years old.

Gee. I apologize that I can't read Arabic, but I'm pretty sure I wouldn't find a huge difference if any even if I could.

I have read for myself however the repeated phrases stating that one shall not attack unless they are attacked upon first. Self-defense is all the Qur'an says.

I'm not sympathetic to any propaganda and the point of it all is that there is clearly a difference between whack jobs who pervert or just plain misinterpret their own passages in the name of a religion and those who simply practice a religion and leave others to do the same.

Uh huh. Alright. I know I said this before, but I'm gonna stick to it this time. I'm done playin with you and I'm gonna move on to other areas of interest. If I've opened anyone else's minds to look at this from a broader perspective than the fear of Sherka Lerka Durka Muhammad Jihad, then great. If not…then hopefully fusebox will start workin, so the lightswitch can actually work for ya.

Acidopholous…I'll even make a quote unquote “formal announcement,” so you won't have to waste anymore of your time either just because I know you wanna LAVISH in the thought.

I'm an Islamic apologist and I feel that the acts of terrorism are properly justified by the Islam religion which is full of hatred and violence, but quite alright with me.

That sentence was filled with sarcasm, but the way you distort information, I'm sure you'll have no problem accepting that as some sort of “victory” under your belt against the “apologist agenda.”

Have fun cowering in your bunkers waiting for the turban guys with swords to come storming to your door. Hahaha.

Via : http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

An Iranian women talks about the rape and prison time she had to endure in a three minute YouTube video.

Iranian Woman on Cruel Islam

Iranian student arrested and imprisoned for three years, because she refused to wear a Islamic head scarf. After two years in prison Nazanin was then beaten and raped five times.

If your theory is correct then crime rate in Saudia Arabia should be twice as much as in America .Unfortunately its the other way around .In america 3 rapes per minutes .One of victims out of 10 killed for hidding the evidence .In Saudia this may be one per mont or two maybe .

And the part for bringing four witness is again false and part of propaganda against islam .Today the easiest and most successfull thing to do is to advocate against islam sidelining all merits and just bring out negatives .Tell me ! there are more than 10 million prostitutes only in europe ,most of them forcibly made into one .Does any one higlights that as greatest abuse of the world no because it just doesnt belong to islam it belongs to your own culture area .

Holy prophet Mohammed ,when used to go on a war used to pray so that God helps him not to destroy the green leaves branches of tree even .Targetting women children ,old men. unarmed is prohibited in Islam .I callenge you ,give me one example when Holy porphet won a battle and ordered to kill all ,abuse all .You dont even know him ,why he is one who was able to change history page two folds.look at Ghenges khan murders and his stacks of skeletons but is a chinese hero not so musch controvercial for you .

Stop Targetting Islam just because you have been told to do so by media , open your mind ,see that some one is trying to hurt you and Islam .Muslims are in the worst in the whole world they are fighting for there survivals .and see who is benefiting .this whole thing is a conspiracy two targets with one shot .No white man's power no muslim power and the third element wins .Besides give any secret agency a billion dollar and they can come up with terrorist of any religion .