I was given a link to Breitbart regarding the decision by CPAC not to give Pam Geller a seat at their CPAC convention. And I think I know why. And their names are David Keene, Grover Norquist and Suhail Khan. It is Norquist who is blamed for getting Geller kicked off of Newsmax. We will look at all the players in a bit. But first some background on an issue that was brought to the attention of FrontPage magazine on February 25, 2010. The article is titled “CPAC Shills For Islamic Terrorists.” The interview is with Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs and Front Page’s Jamie Glazov. I think that this interview describes perfectly the decision by CPAC to diss Geller and her group.

FP: This is mind-boggling. This is a conservative conference and one would think conservatives are interested in national security and protecting our liberties and American lives. Why do you think this happened?

Geller: I think CPAC’s agenda in 2010, as well as 2009 and before that, reflects the influence of Grover Norquist, the conservative powerhouse and kingmaker. He is a board member of the ACU, and from the looks of CPAC’s covered topics and omission of discussion of jihad, it looks as if he exerts enormous influence over David Keene, the ACU’s nominal leader. Norquist and his ally Suhail Khan seem to be in charge at CPAC — no CPAC event goes on that doesn’t reflect their perspective.

FP: Expand a bit on what perspective Norquist represents.

Geller: Jamie, Grover Norquist’s troubling ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes, who was director of communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005, are very active in “Muslim outreach.” Just six weeks after 9/11, The New Republic ran an expose explaining how Norquist arranged for George W. Bush to meet with fifteen Islamic supremacists at the White House on September 26, 2001 — to show how Muslims rejected terrorism. Wrote TNR author Franklin Foer:

Unfortunately, many of the leaders present hadn’t unambiguously rejected it. To the president’s left sat Dr. Yahya Basha, president of the American Muslim Council, an organization whose leaders have repeatedly called Hamas “freedom fighters.” Also in attendance was Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, who on the afternoon of September 11 told a Los Angeles public radio audience that “we should put the State of Israel on the suspect list.” And sitting right next to President Bush was Muzammil Siddiqi, president of the Islamic Society of North America, who last fall told a Washington crowd chanting pro-Hezbollah slogans, “America has to learn if you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come.”

It was Norquist who ushered these silver-tongued jihadists into the Oval Office after the worst attack ever on American soil. Don’t you think that the likes of Ibn Warraq, Bat Ye’or, and Wafa Sultan should have been advising the President instead of Hamas, Hizballah and the Muslim Brotherhood? But that wasn’t to be. So at that September 26 meeting Bush declared that “the teachings of Islam are teachings of peace and good.” It was a critically important, historic moment. What should have been the most important teaching moment of the long war became a propaganda tool for Islam. A singular historic opportunity was squandered, and the harm that has resulted is incalculable.

OK. You don’t trust Geller? Fair enough. Then how about Congressman Frank Wolf (R-Va) then?

In 2011 on the House Floor Rep Frank Wolf (R –Va) had this to say about Grover Norquist:

I want to be clear: I raise these issues not just because Mr. Norquist’s associates may be unsavory people,” Wolf said. “There are many lobbyists in Washington who represent clients of all stripes and backgrounds. But my concern arises when the appearances of impropriety are raised over and over again with a person who has such influence over public policy. That, I believe, should give any fair-minded person pause.

Here is the CSPAN Video of his remarks.The clip starts at 13:47 and his remarks end at 18:15.

Frank Gaffney prepared a dossier on Norquist and Suhail Khan, The article is titled “A Jihadist in the Heart of the Conservative Movement.” The article is dated January 2011/

Lets see what Frank Gaffney had to say about Grover Norquist in Oct 2012.

Now onto Suhail Khan. I’ll let the video do the talking.

And here is David Horowitz calling out Grover Norquist and Suhail Khan at the Feb 2011 CPAC. Skip ahead to the 5:00 minute mark.

Linked here is Ken Timmerman’s FrontPage article on the same two subjects.

I think you get the idea. But there is one last player to cover. He is David Keene. This is Robert Spencer talking about the John Zeigler video which you can see after the article.

Oct 2009 – Jihadwatch – …The Ziegler video, with its depiction of Keene’s egregious behavior, gives a good opportunity to spotlight the failure of the conservative mainstream to deal with the jihad issue. David Keene is not only the head of the ACU, but also of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), which I criticized in Newsweek last February for its Grover Norquist-mandated refusal to deal with the jihad or Islamic supremacism in any meaningful or effective way.

I didn’t know it at the time, but after I was interviewed by Newsweek and before their article appeared, Keene decided to honor Wilders at CPAC and give him an award. But when the Newsweek piece hit, with quotes from me as well as David Horowitz saying, “How is it possible that a conservative conference does not have a single panel on the threat from radical Islam?,” Keene was furious. He was so furious that he canceled the award for Wilders and refused to let him speak at all, saying he wasn’t going to look as if he was being pushed around by Robert Spencer. Suddenly a few remarks in Newsweek by David Horowitz and me were controlling David Keene’s world. Principles? Free speech? Jihad and Islamization? Pah. For Keene, it was just a schoolyard fight, and he was behaving like a schoolyard bully — as he does here with Ziegler.

You can read the article here

Here is the Zeigler Video. John Zeigler is a libertarian former talk show host and now a political speaker and documentarian. He has issues with Keene over his criticism of Sara Palin, support for Arlen Spector and a quid pro quo with Fedex. Video is from Oct 2009.

John Zeigler’s webpage has more details.

And here is the kicker on the CPAC incident and Keene.

12/14/2010 – The Keene scandal – A review (below).

WND – The American Conservative Union reported to the Internal Revenue Service last month a “material diversion of the organization’s assets” totaling over $400,000. The group has an annual operating budget of about $1.5 million.

While directors have been tight-lipped about the details, sources say Keene’s ex-wife, Diana, was fired earlier this year as bookkeeper when the misappropriations were discovered. On its 2009 tax return, signed Nov. 8, 2010, by Executive Vice President Dennis E. Whitfield, the American Conservative Union disclosed the apparent embezzlement. The organization became aware in May 2010 of a diversion of assets for the year [ending] December 31, 2009,” the ACU disclosed on its 990 reports filed with the IRS. The authorities were notified and the issue is now in the hands of the assistant U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Read more

Conclusion: CPAC and the ACU are bought and sold for money and influence. Worse still, they are under the heavy influence of people that want to destroy this nation. Pam Geller isn’t the problem. Time to oust Keene, Khan, and Norquist, otherwise I think I agree with John Zeigler. I want no part of CPAC or the ACU.




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wiseguy
wiseguy

she is such a font of reason!!

BS61
BS61

Thanks 911 - I didn't know the history. Just waking up as a former Dem, their was alot to learn, let alone Islam. I started with Gellar, but quite honestly, she does sooooo many postings a day, one can't handle that much truth. :)

Laurel
Laurel

BTW people Newsmax is in the bag for the Bush family. Dump them.

toby66
toby66

Ive noticed them to be pretty much anti Obama. Thats good in my book.

I certainly dont want Jeb, or any other Bush in 2016. But I dont hate the Bush's.

Laurel
Laurel

I don't either.

Newsmax and the Bush Family are big government Republican.

Laurel
Laurel

I hear ya but there are a lot of places to get information that is objective and accurate without supporting your own demise. Washington Free Beacon is good. Breitbart. Drudge. This site of course. Weasel Zippers, etc. Front Page Mag is excellent as well as their sister site WND...despite the ads. There is tons out there.

Newsmax is big government Republican that continually supports and pushes then losing side like McCain and Romney.

toby66
toby66

Im not a big government Republican either.

But I dont mind reading a publication that from time to time, is actually a critic of the President.

Very few News Papers, magazines, radio shows have enough strength to be courageous to even say something remotely unfavorable ….let alone take the time to do some investigative research and BASH HIM (with words of course).

Deuce Prez
Deuce Prez

Atlas shrugs and Front Page Mess are mere blogs where the sponsoring Islamaphobes spew their vitriolic lies & distortions against Islam.

They are not credible news sources....!!

Conservative have more than their fair share of idiots within to deal with. They don't need the likes of Geller, her butt-buddy Robert Spencer or any of the cast of clowns that her wanna-be CPAC conference of Islam-bashers usually bring together (i.e. FAILURE & FORMER Congressmen Allen West.... one of the worst examples of what an officer should do to POWs)!!

Laurel
Laurel

Grover has gotten way too big for his britches and has to go. I will add Zieglar is no peach either. It's hard to stand up for him. These men have an axe to grind and will implode. Let's hope the rest of us don't implode with them.

@ManeCoon51
@ManeCoon51

Are conservatives being infiltrated?

Laurel
Laurel

I have to wonder! I do know there is a battle for conservatism within the Republican Party. Eighty Republicans signed off on an 'friend of the court' brief in support of gay marriage on the cases before the Supreme Court. They called themselves conservative when in reality they are not. It was John McCain and Nicole Wallace leading the charge.

TIMERUNNER
TIMERUNNER

911infidel; thank you for this great informatin. It really is a lot to go through and then to absorb. I like Mrs Geller, listen to many of her speeches and seen many of her videos, she is reallya super American patriot. On her website there is so much information about terrorist in America etc, inside goverenment and obamas regime. 911infidel after reading here and watching your posted video's I'm not at all suprised Mrs Geller was not invided to speak or why they removed Mr Zeigler from the speaking panel.The CPAC'ers elite didn't want to tee off their money bags who are supporters and backers of Muslim terrorist, and backers of traiyors in American government. I'm shocked that Mr Keene acted exactly the same manner as Mr Spector did at the first townhall he held about obamacare etc. These two men Spector and Keene two peas from the same peapod.

Unfortunately it appears Americans are being sold out all across the board.

All I can say is thank God for the Tea Party Movement and their wins in 2010, if those wins had not happened, there is a pretty good chance, that by now our ship would be bloody sunk.

Speaking of super patriots; 911infidel, I'm thinking your becoming one of my favorites. Your reports are very informative and moving, I'v been here this morning 2 hours listening and learning about this CPAC and their Muslim terrorist connections, I wonder where we go from here, we who love our country and our founding documents.

Looks as though it's all become nothing but lies, smoke and mirrors, and for Americans who can't or refuse see their in serious danger we can only try to inform them and pray for them as we do.

It's no wonder they want to disarm the American citizen. The Manchurian Candidates are florishing like terrorist rats and they know Americans can't defend themselves with a BB gun and cap pistols.

Allen Weaver Jr
Allen Weaver Jr

I'll tell you one thing, if the sh*t ever hits the fan in this country my sights will be on every towelhead i see. Why would they let even one of them into this country? Then we let them build a million moques witch are only terrorist camps.

Eve
Eve

Unfortunately been saying this about CPAC for a few years now. Bought and paid, and it is not the principles that matter. Why would Pam Gellar even want to speak there, she is above it with so much more credibility.

RLC
RLC

And GW, god love him, was part of the problem- following his dad's advice, probably.

RLC
RLC

How did Saudi's get head of the line privileges out of the country right after 9/11? Why does Saudi Arabia fund radical Wahhabist mosques in the US today? Its all about the $$$.

K-Bob
K-Bob

It was the same back in the early days before the 1947 boundaries of Israel were established. Under the British Mandate years, the Arab people were far more gregarious and hospitable to the Brits than were the Jewish folks, who tended to "stick to their knitting" and their close-knit families. This led to the Brits tending to favor the Arabs, which is a human reaction to being made to feel welcome.

The same thing is happening today. Arab oil money flows freely into strange places, and so does their hospitality and friendship. Jewish people just do not engage in that sort of constant politicking.

sue-marie
sue-marie

I have read a few comments about Bush coming out saying that Islam is a religion of peace. Now what Bush thinks privately is a different matter. Remember now...he had to get a coalition of Muslim Countries together to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. By piercing Islam through the heart we would not have had help from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and others. We needed their air space and land to set up bases. Norquist knew Bush would need Islamic support to go after the radical Islamists and used this at a time when Bush was most vulnerable. Bush started receiving calls from Muslim countries expressing their desire to help. Bush said what was needed at the bully pulpit and then went after those who were terrorists or supporters of terrorists. Judge Bush harshly if you want....but he protected us from further terrorist attacks from then on. 9/11 was the result of Clinton's Presidency in failing to take these terrorists seriously. Bush was not going to make that same mistake and he succeeded. Bush IS the reason why my family is alive and well today as we live in the backyard of D.C. Bush never missed one Security briefing that involved DOD, CIA, NSA and Joint Chiefs. Clinton and Obama had (has)to be dragged to these meetings. I just wanted readers here to get some further insight into George Bush. He loves this country as much as you or I....make no mistake about that. Bush was not the enemy, guys...direct your anger at terrorists and their supporters.

kssturgis62
kssturgis62

I am not Judging President Bush because I knew what was at stake. I am just saying by him saying that - Set up a precedent that we are now seeing play out. I didnt' like Everything that George Bush did, but I voted for him twice, and he did keep us safe. But that statement set us up big time and Grover Norquist is not to be trusted, I do not like that man, never have never will.

Cpac is a JOKE, it is taken over, and Cardenas who heads CPAC is Jeb Bush's man, to push him, and Rubio is there to give Jeb Conservative Credentials. I will never support Christie, Bush or Rubio as of now. We need to worry about 2014, if we lose the house, Obama is there for life.

kssturgis62
kssturgis62

Today is the Tea Party Conference Call and Mark Levin will be the guest on today's call. he has already stated he stands with Pamela Geller. I stand with Pamela Geller.

Being that I am a Michigander, and I see what is happening in my state with Sharia Law, Islam, CAIR, the growing push for more to convert, and the Coverup of Honor Killings, and girls Disappearing due to forced marriages or becoming to Westernized, is why I stand with Geller.

When Rick Perry was running for President, we brought a LOT of issues to light about his friendships, what he stood for, and THE LAWS he signed supporting Muslims in Texas, Grover Norquist and all these players came up back then.

Michelle Malkin highlighted Grover and his marriage, and the checks he would write supporting Muslims and he had their ear.

this is not shocking or Surprising to me. I knew and learned all of this, thanks to a great person on facebook a few years back,.

CPAC is a JOKE. CPAC was once formed for CONSERVATIVES TO GET TACKLE THE ESTABLISHMENT. it is NOW merged with the Establishment.

When people are having a Fit over Chris Christie not being invited because he has a 74% approval rating as Governor, for kissing Obama's feet, he is NOT Conservative, and look at the players who are yelling about it.

Will there be Conservatives there. Yes, Sarah Palin For one. But look at the Rest at CPAC, and you can see they are not Conservatives, they are Establishment Players, and the TEA PARTY - even though there are liberals in the tea party, is what CPAC once represented.

I used to want to go to CPAC - NOPE not ever will I go there now, nor will I support them. Will I watch, Yes some of it. I want to hear Sarah Palin. Maybe there are a couple of others, but that basically sums it up for me.

Pamela Geller is not hateful, she speaks the Truth. Every Since George Bush made his statement that Muslims are a Peaceful People, after 9/11 - Think about what has been able to happen and what has been able to take place in this country. It really is shameful to watch and see.

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http://www.freedomrings1776.com/2013/02/the-great-islamic-cover-up.html#more

VirusX
VirusX

I will no longer support CPAC, period.

"That which can be broken, must be broken."

CPAC has shown that it is vulnerable, therefore unreliable. It has been infiltrated, and must be killed and replaced. In the Army, I had no trouble using some of the enemy's tactics against them. Republicans are stupid, hence my abandoning their worthless party. In the name of some stupid 'big tent', they welcome the scum into their fold:

McCain.

Specter.

The Pauls.

Snow.

Snyder.

Romney.

Nixon.

Schwarzeneggar.

Powell.

Rice.

Murkowski.

The list goes on. Conservatives must either oust all RINOs, or separate themselves from them. Any that falter, must be put down. Heretics must be BANISHED. This is THE ideological war, and losing it will cost lives and freedom. Fake Conserbatives must be PURGED, and demonized, along with their masters in the DNC. They cannot be allowed to speak, or participate, in Concervative events, because they are disease, and will infect others.

The liberals and their minions must be surprised with their own brutal tactics. The guerillas must face their own tactics, in political unconventional warfare. Their careers must be destroyed, their lives ruined. People are afraid to use nukes in combat, because they almost universally fear the Laws of Escalation. Nuke me, and get nuked. When the Party of Slavery, and its PR branch, the Liberal Entertainment Complex, lives in daily fear and terror of people from their past being hunted down and squeezed for damaging intel, when they fear their lives being put on display for months on end, in hours long cycles; when they fear their secrets being put on display, for all to see and their families facing humiliation, as a result of their ugly words and deeds being dragged, kicking and screaming into the light, when everything they, or anyone associated with them is blown out of proportion, when they face truth used as irrefutable propaganda, I'll bet they won't be so quick to even CONSIDER the "nuclear option".

CPAC is indicative of the Conservative Body being infected by disease. Conservatism must become an antibody, to root out and destroy this disease, liberality, a disease that consorts and bonds with the Enemy (other diseases), to kill and destroy us. Kill the disease (liberalism), or BE killed.

Its just that simple.

JDOlson
JDOlson

I consider this a CPAC scandal. Thank you for this information. We need to step up our vigilance of CPAC and others who would seek to co-operate with the Muslim agenda and step up support of those who are our whistle-blowers. Well done.

BayouCoyote
BayouCoyote

More outright betrayal here:

Al Jazeera Hires GOP Lobbyists to Counter Congressional Scrutiny to Current TV Deal

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/al-jazeera-hires-gop-lobbyists-to-counter-congressional-scrutiny-to-current-tv-deal/

Al-Jazeera has hired GOP lobbyists to help it gain approval to buy Current TV from Al Gore. Aljazeera, the former “voice of Osama Bin Laden”, wants to pollute US airwaves with its anti-Israel, pro-Islamist agenda… And GOP lobbyists are going to help them make that happen.

...

in addition to hiring the K Street lobbying firm of DLA Piper to lobby on its behalf, the channel has hired Global Policy Initiatives and TCK International to represent it on Capitol Hill

.....

(Spit) They can all go to Hell.

Rocco11
Rocco11

Pam Geller is a National Treasure.

Cardinal ACK!
Cardinal ACK!

So is there an Islamic foundation to CPAC banning GOProud? That's an angle rarely addressed; the um, friction between these two elements, often in support of the same office seekers.

Guest
Guest

Al Cardenas runs CPAC now.

Jeb Bush owns him.

Norquist is in bed with the Bush mafia. We have known this for a long time now.

Rubio is setting the table for Jeb in 2016. He's there to give Jeb Conservative cred.

Christie not being invited while Jeb is invited gives Jeb conservative cred. Jeb knows that Krisy Kreme can get all the Wall Street money that he needs. He is Jeb's threat. Jeb needs to take him out sooner rather than lter so the Wall Street money backs Jeb.

Geller is an embarrassment to the Bush mafia.

The Bush mafia knows from the last election that they can't alienate Palin even though she embarrasses them. Jeb will attack Palin from the right.

Conservatives are all being played. This is Bush Drama Queen 101. The script has already been written. They gopE intends to shove Jeb down your throat just like they did with Etch-a-sketch in 2012. Conservatives can write the Bush Drama Queen 101 script themselves. There are no surprises here.

It's Jeb in 2016. Fight it until your last dying breath. Bab's rolodex doesn't mean anything any longer.

toby66
toby66

If you are the same "guest", I asked you about the "Bush Mafia" and you didnt provide anything. You linked one Forbes article, that wrote about the GOP elite but it didnt have anything about what you said.

WHAT BUSH MAFIA? Do you purport that W and Bush Senior and the wifes and others are sitting around a conference table pulling strings to the GOP? I just dont see it.

I dont think Bush junior gives a crap about politics now that he is done.

kssturgis62
kssturgis62

None of them Jeb, Christie or rubio will I or many thousands of others support or vote for.

K-Bob
K-Bob

OK, for you Ziegler complainers in the thread, I finally got a chance to watch the Ziegler vids, up through the parts where he was interacting with Keene and in the second vid, through the part where the guy threw him out. They were too long to bother with the rest, since I have bandwidth restrictions. (I had definitely watched the other vids before bothering with this part, which I knew would be tedious, because I don't like Ziegler's tactics at all.)

Here's the bottom line: Ziegler found some important information, and Keene refused to answer the questions about it. Those are not trivial questions, and Keene's failure to answer, and Ziegler's ability to make his charge before being thrown out are important factors in this case.

However, 95% of both vids detract from the case against Keene, and definitely make Ziegler look like a grandstanding moron. And it wasn't a "threat" that Keene made. Keene may be under the influence of Norquist, but he's not that stupid: he stated that Ziegler deserves a punch, and he'd like to do it, but would not. I can say unequivocally that I'd like to punch him also, but would not (never unless the other guy throws the first punch).

That is clearly not a "threat" at all. (Not to anyone who can parse language and isn't a obsessed with "speech codes" and other bizarre, liberal inventions involving language.)

Ziegler ought to just cut these vids down. Even though some of his questions are definitely pertinant, his own behavior in the video hurts his case a great deal.

Unfortunately, Ziegler reminds me of Alex Jones and his sickening, pathetic, stalking harassment of Michelle Malkin. 1) The first amendment does not give people the right to jam a microphone in someone's face and harass them. If they are public figures, they are expected to put up with some questions and photos. But even hardcore paparazzi know better than to push it too far. 2) When you are on private property and have been asked to leave, your failure to promptly comply definitely allows and excuses the laying of hands on your person to enforce the request. This is what bouncers and security personnel do. Conservatives are not stupid people: they know this stuff. But Ziegler is assuming you are stupid when he does this whiny "assault" crap.

Back to the videos: the part at the beginning where Keene refused to answer was good, and if Ziegler hadn't been wrapped up in posturing like a fool, he could have ended it there and made a decent clip out of it. Same with the second video. So that's enough beating up Ziegler in print. He's not a journalist.

But none of this detracts from the overall case, here. CPAC is not only NOT conservative, they are engaging in arrant dhimmi behavior. We need more exposure of this, by rational people like 911Infidel, and not more excuse-making by weak-kneed Republicans.

Keene's knee-jerk decision to shelve the award for Wilders, and cancel his speaking is the real problem here, not Ziegler.

TeaPartyReaganConservative
TeaPartyReaganConservative

I had not known about Grover Norquist ties to islamist extremism, via his Palestinian islamic muslim wife, til now. I now understand why now Pamela Geller was not allowed to speak at CPAC.

This now makes sense of everything that has been levied against Mr. Norquist, for which he has used his political influence as a Tea Party conservative against taxes, to insidiously and seditiously undermine and subvert the pro-American, pro-Freedom and Liberty / anti-islamist muslim extremist jihadists like Ms. Pamela Geller, Geert wilder, etc, and the message of truth they speak, from appearing and being heard in any and all conservative public platforms such as CPAC.

Mr Norquist no longer has the support of myself, and any all Tea Party activists in the Nation. He does not speak for us, and he no longer speaks as a pro-American Conservative, period. He is a fraud who has now been exposed.

Grover Norquist mine as well change his political affiliation to Obamacrat. He has now joined the liberal Democrats, as well as the RINOs like McCain, and all who support islamic muslim jihadist supremacist extremists like the Muslim Brotherhood, via Ms Huma Abedin and CAIR, Hamas, Hez Bollah, Iran's Ahmadine-Nazi-jhad, etc..

学中文的美国男人
学中文的美国男人

CPAC also didn't give Christie a speaking slot.

As for Mr. Norquist, he is fighting tax increases, and he also fought against bigots who attacked one conservative activist for being Muslim.

thebeeishorrid
thebeeishorrid

Is this scumbag Keene the same guy that's now in charge of the NRA?

JohnCraven
JohnCraven

If the Jihadist connections between Norquist and others have been known for years and the shenanigans they have pulled, for example, the one cited with George Bush meeting with hard core Muslim Jihadists just two weeks after 9/11, connections and shenanigans which ordinary rank and file conservatives like myself had never known until now, then why has people like Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives spoken at CPAC over the years?

John Craven

New Orleans

K-Bob
K-Bob

CPAC has been going downhill for years, they didn't just fall over a cliff into progressive territory. When the country was in less dire peril, it was far easier to put up with this sort of crap. We can't afford this anymore.

But a lot of folks were waving warning flags over Bush's meeting with CAIR folks so soon after 9-11. The problem is, people like Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, and David Horowitz have been treated like the crazy relatives in the little house out back, and have been largely ignored by the mainstream Republicans.

Brian
Brian

How about SARAHPAC instead of CPAC?

K-Bob
K-Bob

If she would get on with it, I'd send SarahPAC a LOT more money. BUt if she waits too long, she'll miss her chance.

magicdixieranch
magicdixieranch

wow, seems there are WAAAYYY too many *wolves in sheep's clothing* in the conservative tent...I'm starting to think we need to develop a secret handshake or something, hmmm

JimCohen
JimCohen

CPAC has becoamea lapdog for all things "new world order." Their conservative ratings are now mussy at best. Very, very sad.

CLRoemke
CLRoemke

Will Andrew be at CPAC?

#WAR

Chris Hadrick
Chris Hadrick

conservatism is about small government, not war on terror bs. Muslims want us out of their countries not to take over ours. if you haven't figured that out by now you are either stupid or crazy.

K-Bob
K-Bob

No, that would make you a neo-libertarian (like Ron Paul), not a Conservative. But nice try, and thanks for the slander. I suggest you read the Comment Policy.

Chris Hadrick
Chris Hadrick

yeah those were some really wild explitives there! Reagan got out of Lebanon because it wasn't worth it and he was right. Bush1 didn't take Baghdad because it wasn't worth it. The only one who indulged in that stuff was Bush2 and the less said about him the better. Grover Norquist has forgotten more about conservatism than "former" Marxist David Horowitz ever did.

http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/isr/vol28/no04/horowitz.htm

K-Bob
K-Bob

or for existing or whatever

Chris Hadrick
Chris Hadrick

They're waging war on Washington for being in their countries.

K-Bob
K-Bob

Clarity.

Washington is full of statists. Not people strapping bombs on their daughters, and telling them to blow up infidels.

Statists have to be fought at the ballot box. Jihadists are waging genuine war, but you seem unable to notice it.

Chris Hadrick
Chris Hadrick

"Washington may be a mess, but it's not "the enemy."

What happened to this movement?

K-Bob
K-Bob

Wrong. Thanks for playing.

The answer is: Political Islam, and the medievalist jihadist lunatics being used by the cynical old men in the Muslim Brotherhood and the spiritual head of Iran.

Washington may be a mess, but it's not "the enemy."

Chris Hadrick
Chris Hadrick

the enemy is Washington and I know quite a bit about it.

K-Bob
K-Bob

"Closer to" is a phrase that has meaning. You ignored it.

You gave no "history," you simply tossed some poorly aimed labels around. If you'd like to learn about the history of our foreign policy, there are plenty of people here who know a great deal about it. It's something conservatives do: their homework. So all you need do is ask.

And if you think the war is over, you have no clue about the enemy.

Chris Hadrick
Chris Hadrick

that makes no sense. I'm not a "jihad supporter" nor do I care about the Middle East project. I'm not close to either.

What are the red herrings? I just gave a history of our major interventions in the Middle East in a dialogue about US interventions in the Middle East.

We're 16 trillion dollars in debt. the War on terror is over.

K-Bob
K-Bob

Nice attempt at red herrings. Your assumption that you know more in this area than people here explains much.

Your comment about Horowitz puts you closer to the jihad supporters than it does mainstream conservatives. Good luck with that.