This is really a great interview and very refreshing to hear as Whole Foods co-CEO John Mackey not only defends capitalism and free markets but tells Greta that the problem with the world isn’t that there’s too much capitalism, but that there’s not enough of it. He talks about how the opponents of capitalism have hijacked the narrative for purposes of distorting it, using characters like Bernie Madeoff to demonize it. He even rejects the premise of one of Greta’s questions when she asks him if there’s ever a time when instead of trying to maximize profit he does something more environmental or for good health. But he denied that these tradeoffs exist, that if you do something for the environment that the investors must take a hit. He said the secret is leadership.

He also talks about regulations, Obamacare, and so much more. This is the full-uncut interview and you can watch below:




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Cecilia A. Russell
Cecilia A. Russell

It up to everyone to educate themselves on the issues of today. We know the media has no intention of being true to their profession, so "we the people" have to understand and accept it and go on and learn the truth. I am very amazed at the ignorance of people today with the availability of discovering the truth.

obamacare is already being felt, my sister was told by her doctor now that you are 65 don't get checked for cancer anymore, she was shocked and now has to find a new doctor.

The problem is we are being told we can't use terms because they are offensive, well golly gee, we can't say the truth because it will offend someone TO BAD. obamacare is nothing more than a death camp. Wake up Wake up before it is too late. Let there be truth, seek the truth and stop hiding under a bushel America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bharat
Bharat

You guys missed 'Murray Rothbard' on your written transcript.

abigail42
abigail42

First let me say my patience is NON-EXSISTENT! I didn't listen to the above I saw this jackass on Fox this morning. First if you can't stand the heat for the words you use then shut-up. He liked his words until they got in his pocket. Full disclosure, I smoke. I don't drink and I don't take ANY pharmecutical meds, I've been to the doctor twice in 20 years, I have paid for my own health insurance since I was 18 (I'm 62). I have never had a child but thru group policies I've paid for many births. My point is this man offers discounts on health insurance of up to 30% if you don't smoke, if you're not obese, if you don't have high blood pressure etc. Am I going to get a discount for not taking dangerous drugs that are handed out like candy? No I'm sure I won't because smoking being fat have been demonized but supporting big pharma is AOK. Why do you think the meds these shooters are taking are not mentioned? Maybe next he'll start offering a discount if you don't own a gun. This is not freedom! I told my girlfriend years ago when the gov't told restaurants no smoking (in a private business) that if no one stopped this next the gov't would be controlling what you eat. She said I was nuts! Well am I? Please, I don't give a hoot how you feel about smoking I'm using this as an example of how EASY it is to brainwash people. Eric Holder said we made smoking unacceptable, people now hide behind the building to smoke, we're going to do the same with guns. The point of my rant is LISTEN carefully and no matter how you FEEL about an issue stop and weigh how your freedom is going to be affected.

Richard Drakos
Richard Drakos

Great interview. I consider myself a Libertarian-Conservative. I don't want the government involved in stuff that should be personal, but on issues like Abortion, I tend to be more conservative. Most Libertarian's certainly aren't Anti-Military. I consider myself Anti-stop arming people that hate our freakin' guys.

Rocco11
Rocco11

Go to the Heritage website and check out the video of Steve Forbes speaking on his book "Freedom Manifesto." Great stuff...

Laurel
Laurel

It was a great interview but be aware that Mackey still votes against his own interests.

crosshr
crosshr

I hear you clear Laurel !

nibblesyble
nibblesyble

That is why I love Greta, she always gets great interviews.

crosshr
crosshr

Greta is whom I go to Fox to watch nibble, she always brings in many of my fav. trusted make sense people when most others don't. Still I'm no Packer fan, 9ER lifer !

welltempered2
welltempered2

Mr. Socialist says: "We promise a world of equal plenty for all."

Mr. Free Market says: "We promise a world of unequal plenty for most."

If you were an intellectual dolt or low info voter which would you choose? That is the great hurdle lovers of the free market have to overcome. Speaking of baggage, free market lovers have to ditch the word "capitalism." It carries too many conotations, most of them negative.

jrt1031
jrt1031

Now this is a big person. Someone that feels so strongly about his choice not to eat meat and yet he still provides it for those that feel just as strongly about their own choice to eat meat. So how so we think the animal kingdom would react to the balance if we took away all the meat they eat? And there is your answer to veganism.

jrt1031
jrt1031

Here's the deal with healthcare. Health insurance doesn't guarantee good health and in fact the more medicine invades ones health the worse off anyone is

jrt1031
jrt1031

Wow... great to see this eye opening experience.......and the operative word here being EXPERIENCE....something the dems President has none of.... we just got a new whole foods here in northern de and I'll be glad to spend my money there...

crosshr
crosshr

Hope what this CEO of Whole Food said is something the left and this admin & POTUS can comprehend. Good business generates good profit, makes way for better income enables better living standard in any community, but I won't hold my breath !

barney59
barney59

First Class / I was wondering how his unwashed-liberal-masses-customers would react to his fascism statement.

Steph VT
Steph VT

As a Whole Foods customer, I can tell you that I definitely don't fall into the unwashed-liberal-mass category. I shop there for the quality of products and the excellent customer service they provide. I am more than pleased to hear that Mr. Mackey's views on capitalism are so in line with mine. From what I can tell, he has a great company.

barney59
barney59

Good for you Steph / I find their prices extremely high. Since I'm in California, the average Whole Fooder is an earth mother in a range rover... :)

crosshr
crosshr

ha ha barney59, you're absolutely correct ! I can't afford the place but my boss(wife)

still go there. That's where all my savings go. That .."...earth mother in a range rover..." makes me park my drive and walk (bare footed) lol

aposematic
aposematic

Capitalism's goal of maximizing profit guarantees that only good is achieved, call it whatever you want: environmentalism, comunity service, donations to causes, profits, jobs, whatever. Any Business operating in a pure capitalist system must be good stewards to maxamize its profits. Any Business that are not good stewards, i.e. anti-capitalist, of "whatever pet you may have" will not be around long without outside protection/interference, usually most often supplied through/by Government via regulations that serve to present barriers to entry of any competition.

crosshr
crosshr

200% correct aposematic in my pov. since I drive by Solyndra on I-880 HWY most weekend as I go to see my two fav.little ladies (grand daughters 1 & 4 yrs age ). Always feel sick to my stomach. Huge great industrial facilities, buildings and locations, still, a ghost town today ! sad 1

wadnnit.
wadnnit.

O. outsourced this to China bc, of course we coukdn't fix it--not enough know how, but they have and they can. Friends of his anyway...

LIBERTYUSA
LIBERTYUSA

... an excellent interview by Greta with ceo John Mackey of Whole Foods on the subject of Free Market Capitalism . This interview should be made MANDATORY watching by all those low information indoctrinated University/College students and recent graduates.Also his book should be made part of all of High Schools Studies .

As for telling DEAR LEADER PART II all the benefits of FREE MARKET CAPITALISM don't waste your breath or your valuable time for he is a FASCIST MARXIST PUPPET and is only interested in DESTROYING the American ECONOMY with his policies and regulations."

wadnnit.
wadnnit.

...so he can move on to rule the world with his new friends...

Libertyship46
Libertyship46

And yet you will not see a guy like this meeting with Obama. Oh no. Obama only meets with people like Jeffrey Immelt, CEO of General Electric and perhaps one of the most corrupt cronies of Obama there is. Unless you're really giving big bucks to the Obama campaign and/or presidential "fund," the man really doesn't want to hear from you.

aposematic
aposematic

Yes, the demagoguing of Cheney and Halliburton was a sham of all shams involving Government graft favoring Big Business. The real benefactors of Government graft are Boeing and GE; in that order 1 & 2. Halliburton isn't even in the top 100.

KenInMontana
KenInMontana

Halliburton got slammed because of Cheney's previous employment, I used to challenge the bashers at the time with one simple statement.

"Please, name one company with the capability and expertise to do what Halliburton is tasked with."

Crickets, lots and lots of crickets.

Laurel
Laurel

Same here Ken. I love to challenge people like that who just vomit the media line without any thinking skills at all.

Conservative_Hippie
Conservative_Hippie

This makes me want to shop at my nearest Whole Foods! Unfortuantely its 1 1/2 hours away :( The travails of living in rural Tennessee, no Starbucks or Whole Foods nearby :( Wel at least I have farm fresh eggs and internet bought coffee brewed through my Bunn maker, so life is good :)

K-Bob
K-Bob

Whole Foods is Disneyland for yuppies. I always get a little creeped out being there, myself.

(Still shop there sometimes, though. Depends on my mood. And probably Gaia or something)

Conservative_Hippie
Conservative_Hippie

When I lived outside of Philadelphia we use to have a simlar store we frequented many times called Wegmans. I told a Whole Foods employee about them one time and she said they were their main competitor in the NY/PA/NJ region. We LOVED Wegmans and we miss it!

Conservative_Hippie
Conservative_Hippie

It was a fun place and most workers I came in contact with had a smnile on their face, so these must have been treated well.

K-Bob
K-Bob

Places like that are a real gem. The owners are usually great, too.

notsofastthere
notsofastthere

Mackey was once a bleeding heart Liberal and anti-capitalist. His failure early on lead him to question his failures, and he read all he could.

Now the moron voters will get their chance for life's experience - hope they turn around soon. The disaster of Obamanomics may hasten their self-reflection.

c4pfan
c4pfan

The reason I don't care for Libertarians is due to them constantly bashing Conservatives. They were what the current moderates of the GOP are today. There to bash Conservatives and ignore Obama!

aposematic
aposematic

Going to get me started??? Every Ideological test I've ever taken places me as the star atop the Libertarian Christmas Tree. If you read that statement correctly, you will know why I consider myself to be a ConservativeLibertarian. I basically score so high as a Libertarian simply because I believe 99% of everything Government does to be interfering in stuff that's none of their damn business.

PhillyCon
PhillyCon

They are the first to bash social conservatives using Leftist language. Look at the way Ron Paul went after Santorum in the primary.

Conservative_Hippie
Conservative_Hippie

Aren't Libertarians also anti-military and complacent on pro-life

The Monster
The Monster

Libertarians generally want us to stay out of wars, but that's not "anti-military". I think we shouldn't get into as many wars as we have been, but when we do, we should win the damn things. That will make our diplomatic efforts more effective, as other countries will fear what happens if they push us far enough to engage militarily. That's why I like the idea of actually having Congress declare war like the Constitution says. Once you have that declaration, they can't turn around and pull out the support needed to close the deal.

Abortion cuts across libertarian thinking. On the one hand, the pregnant woman has sovereignty over her own body. On the other hand, the fetus has rights too. The only way I can figure to reconcile those rights seems to piss everyone off: A woman should be able to legally terminate a pregnancy NON-DESTRUCTIVELY, and the fetus should get the chance to try to survive ex utero.

Indiana
Indiana

I was following the primary since early 2011. IS your complaint about Ron Paul and Gary Johnson?

pdxlady
pdxlady

You may be right Indiana.

KenInMontana
KenInMontana

Well you obviously weren't around here for the primary or you're painting any one with a libertarian leaning with an awfully broad brush. Perhaps both.

Indiana
Indiana

I don't think that the GOP can run together on the 2nd amendment because that actually may backfire if we go full on because there hasn't been a vote yet so we cannot attack the Democratic Senators in Red States. Though I think we may have lost Virginia forever in Presidential and Senatorial elections. We must be united on the economy.

Indiana
Indiana

We aren't the ones going on the social sites and youtube accounts of Republican candidates cussing them out and attacking them on NDAA, the Patriot act and we aren't the ones calling people Zionist for supporting Israel.

Conservative_Hippie
Conservative_Hippie

Wow! I wonder if this will actually convince pregnant women to forgo abortions that would otherwise have them?

The Monster
The Monster

That depends entirely on how well the fetus has developed before it's removed. For now, we have incubators, which allow premature babies to live where they wouldn't otherwise have a chance, but technology will almost certainly evolve those into full-on artificial wombs soon.

pdxlady
pdxlady

Thank you crosshr. :)

crosshr
crosshr

I like what you say !

pdxlady
pdxlady

To me, the D's are pretty solidly united. They share a common goal: Eliminate any one that does not agree with their cause of their complete control and world domination. Or something like that.

They are puppets being used, placed & controlled by the...men/women behind the curtain? I don't know exactly; Shadow Government? But they are bound together & united for a common cause.

In contrast, we have to deal with everything else; Independents, Libertarians, GOP moderates, GOP elite, Conservatives and Tea Party, et al and none of these entities are united in anything together.

We don't have anyone taking the lead to unite us in the same way as say; Hillary Clinton accepting her being bumped from her shot at the Presidency, in favor of Barry. When that is what she has wanted all of her life. It was determined that he could advance their cause further and faster than Hil, so she stepped aside. That is unity of mind/party.

However, there is something that is uniting us now, like not for a long time. We are all united in not having our Second Amendment rights impinged!

Somehow we need to channel this, being united for this cause, into something really constructive. We have the numbers. We have the voices. We ARE being heard, as the WH has had to back down from some of their plans, regarding confiscating our weapons. We can force change. We are not going to put up with the usual and increasing BS - They have rattled our cages!

There are "Guns Across America" Rally's - tomorrow, Jan 19th at every state capitol building @ High Noon local times. http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/01/guns-across-america-rallies-being-organized-for-saturday-jan-19th-2013-2558682.html

I guess it is time for me to put my body where my mouth is.

Conservative_Hippie
Conservative_Hippie

Honestly I'm starting to see the Libertarians side of the "war" argument. It bugs me no end that we arm "rebels" and find out later that they are being used against us! As far as abortion, Monster, how the hairy can a fetus (which I like to call a baby) survive ex-utero safely?

crosshr
crosshr

and I say a mighty AMEN !

ok if I add Palestine ?

KenInMontana
KenInMontana

If you guys stop attacking us perhaps we can start to accept each other.

In order for this to work, it has to be mutual.

Laurel
Laurel

I agree with you on the war front. We would fight a lot less wars if we just openly declared war and fought wars as they should be fought. the Middle East would have a lot less problems today and giving the world a lot less grief if we turned Afghanistan to a dust mote. There is no reason on God's green earth that Afghanistan should still be a country. It really isn't in the best of interest of the world for it to be a country.

Indiana
Indiana

Well, social conservatives are pro-life, pro-traditional marriage and anti-marijuana. We hate it that because of this people like Gary Johnson attack us. If you guys stop attacking us perhaps we can start to accept each other. I have always felt that regardless of our differences we share a common enemy in the liberal democrats. I though the Republican Party and the Libertarian Party could dome together instead of nominating separate candidates but Libertarians don't like anyone else except Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. We conservatives like most except Ron Paul and Gary Johnson.

notsofastthere
notsofastthere

The unfortunate thing I've found with the Libertarians is they attract a lot of anarchists. For that reason I shy away from associating with their group. Some are just great American's, but many are too far out there.