The Right Scoop
Wow, so much dogmatism. I tuly don't understand how "they were warned" is sufficient cause for such disgusting and de-humanizing behavior on behalf of the police officer. Yes, the point of a protest is to be in the way, otherwise no one would even notice! The police and protestors both could have beed more diplomatic in their actions, however I don't see the protestors acting in such a way that is hateful and de-humanizing. Also, I would reccomend that a lot of you take rhetoric classes, a lot of the points made on this comment thread employ very simple logical fallacies that are almost comical.
I hope and pray the last 15 years of my life/service to our country have been for more than oil, and that our actions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, our presence and our compassion shared in countries like Chile, almost the entire sub Saharan African continent, Europe, Asia etc have done their parts to spread our American Ideals to other peoples and to bolster our strength as a nation, unfortunately some of what you say is true, many of the extreme left will only point out our military faults or failure to act where we have no set national interests and the left media, ( i am sorry i watch fox news and cnn and local news MSNBC/CNN have a definite and firm and easily visible slant to the left as fox news has the same towards the right).
As for the "social contract" the top 2% of this nation according the CBO provide 70% of our internal revenue, and the businesses they run hire the employees that provide a large portion of the rest. If you recall correctly while you served in the Marines as i currently serve in the AF, you got a tax refund that was greater than what you paid into the system, where do you think that money comes from? that's the rich providing us with extra money to help keep folks above the poverty line that are at least working and contributing to society.
As for how much is enough, there can be no definite answer as we are a capitalist republic, only those that work hard/get lucky/get smart can determine how much is too much, but every American has the same basic ability to get there as the next guy.
as much as i disliked him as speaker of the house I believe we need Newt Gingrinch in the white house, we have tried the "Washington outsider with no experience and no leadership skills and just a bag of ideals and agendas with no plans on how to get there" maybe we need a career politician to go play politics and not an idealist rouser that has divided this country either thgouh direct actions or through inaction.
Thank you for you service. Actually I don't think these people are lazy, just completely misguided. If they focused their efforts on something productive they would be the 1% they are complaining about.
They have been mis-educated by the college system and expect something they are not entitled to. (namely: my money)
Also, all these isms you put out their are different systems, true. However, all that matters is liberty and stateism. Your service in the military protected our liberty and these useful idiots, under the guise of whatever ism, wants to take that liberty away. That's what we oppose.
So let me get this straight. Just because a cop tell you to do something, you MUST do it, or else you're a criminal? Okay. So you would be a criminal if a cop told you to drop your pants, bend over, and spread your cheeks for him and you refused to do it? You people are fucking stupid. Seriously.
Zach, you must have gone to college, because not only is our vocabulary sublime, but you can only get as dumb as you are by going to college.
Let me educate you. If you are a squatter (criminal trespasser), and you refuse to leave, the police can and should remove you by force.
Keith, your fairy tale is that you thought you had the brains to be a political commentator. Sorry, go back to Sports Center. People like you then.
The video does not show the seated and sprayed protesters attempting to keep the Police there.
The crowd appears to react strongly to the actions of the Police, big surprise, and does move with the Police as they retreat. The crowd then appears to realize the Police are becoming concerned about physical confrontation and immediately makes it clear the Police "are free to leave". Situation disolves.
I don't see the hold the Police action being knocked about here. One protester shooting his mouth off doesn't make it so. Use your eyes and ears on the video record of the event.
Nice try. They say the police are "free to leave" IF they let the squatters continue to squat and crap on private property. So in fact, they did have the police surrounded.
The point is these,so called, people were trespassing. They had to be removed. The police did there job, removing criminals off of private property.
By the way... Keith Olbermann, really? Is he still alive? There is a guy with too much self-esteem.
You are the first to bring up that political theory.
Why is it that any suggestion of corrections being needed in our national systems immediately brings the Red Scare out again. It was BS the first time guys.
You tell the funniest stories Keith. The Red Scare was BS the first time? There you go again...
I bet it was pretty scary for the 150-200 million people murdered by the "Red Scare."
If you watch closely, both sides know what was coming. You can even see one cop confer with a sitting protester and pat him gently twice on the shoulder after sharing a few words.
this great country? it is supposed to be founded upon principles such as freedom of expression, peaceful protest, non-violent resistance.. but you'd rather take the storm trooper side over what made the country great.
You forgot private property rights. That trumps your speech rights. And yes, I' take the side of the police enforcing the rights of the property owner over the criminal trespassers.
brats? do you even know who these people are? they are very intelligent university students who do well in their studies. a lot of these people were among the brightest in the country.
btw, the police were not blocked in.. video proves that.
Brightest in the country? Can you defend that statement at all. These kids were morons.
"btw, the police were not blocked in.. video proves that."
Funny. I saw them physically keep them in and tell them they couldn't leave until they released their friends. You must have fallen asleep at that point.
Intelligent???? Is it the rapes or the pooping on police cars? Oh, I know, it is the squatting on private property. That is a brilliant plan. What are they protesting? That their 4 years in college was a complete waste of time? Don't blame Wall Street for that.
They hoped for a non-permanent Kent State moment and the police gave it to them. Bad PR move no matter how much these professional whiners deserved it.
That said, this does appear to be a clip and I'd like to see anything else this #Occufail twit had to say.
The key to a Republic is that we a a nation of LAWS, not disenfranchised individuals and brainless anarchists. I offer this link which has several other links to look into, all of which explain things better than I:
Types of Governments
That's not what they were protesting. They were protesting the arrest of several occupiers who had put the tents back up after the cops had taken them down.
See Insider you show your true ignorance by not even knowing WHY the students were there! Go suck Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity's tit some more, you'll feel better after a hate recharge!
They are all pigs in every sense of the word. Actually WATCH the video you smart-mouthed people full of hatred. The pigs stepped OVER THE STUDENTS numerous times, so how were they "blocked in"?
Stupid is as stupid posts without watching, I guess.
If you watch the video the police CROSS THE LINE of students REPEATEDLY! They stepped over the and sprayed them from BOTH SIDES! How in the h3ll do you surmise they were "blocked" when video proves otherwise? Idiots!
Don't be an idiot. Every political group is guilty of that at one point in time. Including Republicans.
Wrong.
A refusal to follow an order is not violence, its disobedience. The moment the protesters sat down and locked arms, they did not become unpeaceful protesters. They were still peaceful, they attacked no one. Its called civil disobedience.
Imagine if african americans were unable to civilly disobey the cops by sitting in? Where would we be now?
People who physically detain police officers aren't exercising civil disobedience. They are committing and act of wrongful imprinsonment. What if these officers were called to respond to someone who was raped on campus and couldn't get there? Are innocent people supposed to get hurt because some punks want to keep police from doing their jobs. If you believe that kidnapping police officers is peaceful, civil disobedience then you need to educate yourself on the topic more. Your parallel to locking arms and sitting down is moot.
We have this little ideal in our country... it goes like this. "innocent until proven guilty"
No one stabbed any cops in the thighs while they were stepping over them, for them to act as if they were violates our constitutional rights.
He didn't say they did. He said police officers shouldn't assume that risk. In any event, if they stepped over them these stupid kids would have said they assualted them and argue police brutality.
Cops have been stabbed in other OWS protests. These cops see confrontation, they don't know if any of this mob which has them surrounded are armed. They are the police. They are called there to clear the area and maintain peace and order, and to enforce the law.
They weren't given much of a choice on how to do their jobs.
They were protesting on their own college campus. It's not public property, and they had permission to protest there from the Chancellor of the college. The police had no right to order them to disband. Especially when the Chancellor ordered the police to remove their tents ONLY, and let the protesters stay. They were being peaceful, and abiding the law. Just because a cop gives and order, does not mean it is the law, or constitutional.
Idiot. What do you mean it's not public property? University Of California - California is a state and state property is public property and it is maintained and owned by the state with tax money. DO YOU GET IT? All of your chatterings are nothing but uninformed conjecture and outright wild-ass guesses. You would do well to maintain silence as nothing you offer is of any value with all of its wrongness. Maybe if you had attended a university you might have this knowledge but my guess is you couldn't make the cut.
“I don't think" -- said Alice, "Then you shouldn't talk," said the Hatter."
— Lewis Carroll
I still have zero respect for that officer who pepper sprayed non-violent protestors. He's just a useful idiot who couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag. He's part of the 95% of police officers who give the other 5% a bad name.
The students were sitting down... all the cops had to do to leave was step over them. The pepper spray was not watered down, and it was military grade which is to be used at a minimum distance of 15 feet away... not point blank. And quit spitting out whatever rhetoric Fox tells you to. OWS is NOT Anti-Semitic. They don't rape people. They don't steal. People might do that... but those people aren't truly with OWS. If you want to see a history of violence, look at the police attacking the peaceful protesters.. not the other way around. When did exercising our right to protest our government become a criminal offense?
And another thing, these students were not so much about OWS as they were protesting 81% tuition hikes at their school, and police brutality a couple weeks before at UC Berkley against students and teachers. The Chancellor gave them permission to protest, she just wanted the tents removed. She has gone on record saying that she ordered the cops to remove the tents only, in a non violent manner, and that the students had permission to protest there. As you can see in the video, the tents were already removed, but they felt the need to spray them anyway.
And another thing, these students were not so much about OWS as they were protesting 81% tuition hikes at their school
Oh Boo Hooo, go to annother school! 81% is probably BS too.
If you watch the video fully, you will see that the Campus Police step over the students and out of the "enclosure" numerous times.
Good thing they had pepper spray.
They could have used tasars.
These kids want someone to be killed and I have to give the police kudos for hanging in there while dealing with so many brats day after day, hour after hour, minute after minute.
Too bad their parents couldn't have raised them and taught them about how government works so they could use their expensive educations...which obviously were a waste of time and money...to gather like minded members and find candidates to represent them.
Funny, the Tea Party managed to do that without ever breaking any laws or being arrested.
Gee. According to folks like ed schultz, this girl ought to have massive head wounds. She looks like she survived the brutality alright.
I wonder if these juvies have anything that they're thankful for today.
Maybe they should try being thankful that they live in the USA where they can get away with a protest like this. Put them in their beloved socialist/communist countries-well, it just ain't gonna happen.
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