Ugandans against Obama

WOW!!! and Ai ya yai…

Using the tongue, licking, “poo poo” and fisting…

The truth from Uganda,
“… we do not want this sickness … we do not want it… it is deviant.”

One thing not mentioned is “golden showers” from one person into the mouth of another person… as mentioned by Randy Shilts from San Francisco, California in the 1987 book, And The Band Played On (…which included fisting plus so much more that I tore the book up and threw it away… the best money I ever spent.)… Randy died of aids a few years after writing the book.

Also, the blurred images were considerate.

Our Ugandan Christian brothers and sisters are definitely honest and truthful and being lifted up by God for a great work… maybe to get Obama's attention in his one term presidency.

Art

And as an add on, how do you intend to ban homosexuality? I seem to remember that these tactics have been tried before with Jews, Christians, and others and it always leads to death and atrocities… do any of you honestly think that Jesus Christ would condone these actions? Do you think God cheered from the sidelines as millions were murdered during 20th century for being different? This ABSOLUTELY sickens me… THIS my friends is how the liberal elites can characterize conservatives as bigots and racists with a straight face. If we condone these thoughts or deeds by way of looking the other way or worse open support then THEY win. Think about it

Then if you truly believe what you just said then I suggest that you change the wording of your comments above as it is easily misinterpreted the way I saw it. I am not the only one as there are others sitting here with me. Oh and while I rather enjoy your condescending tone of my “bias” leading me here the content of this post speaks for itself. To read it otherwise is somewhat delusional. All the Ugandan Christians will accomplish is fear and violence. I respect your opinion and enjoy your site most of the time for the discussion it fosters but myself and the others in the room with me are more than a little outraged by this. I am sorry if this is misdirected anger towards you but this clip has REALLY made a group of gay libertarians and conservatives quite vocally outraged. Thank you, as always, for your time to reply.

OK that is understandable. I thank you for your considerate reply

Holy Crazy!!

I think they are using extremely perverse and “dirty” acts as a blanket way to discriminate. I really don't think that's what gay people do- they are just using some smurfed up stuff they found on the internet and attributing it to a homosexual's lifestyle in order to build public outrage and support.

Glad it's not here, although it is always interesting to get a view of politics in other countries.

I love the way they poo pooing….that's just to funny….

On a more serious note…I don't have a problem with gays and I don't care to know what they do in the bedroom…it's totally none of my business. I will say this, there are men and women who do much worse than this in the bedroom and that is totally none of my business either.
To each his own….

I did laugh alot with this one….

Dittos… RightScoop…

Posting video or comments that present a point of view that is controversial is a good thing… so don't back down when you are challenged concerning the “implications” of the video or comments.

Since we're among friends…

This is not the forum for addressing homosexuality, although I have posted elsewhere in other forums, so I won't do very much expository writing here about the “God made me” the way I am issue.

For our homosexual friends (… YES… friends) who take offense about anything that presents homosexuality in a biblically negative light, and then use the “public square” soapbox to chastise heterosexuals for agreeing that the content of the current video is pertinent to the de-evolution of societal values, i.e., as the person said, it is “deviant”… with the unspoken intent to “silence” opinion and comment that does not put homosexuality on equal footing with heterosexuality, this reminds me of the Islamist tendency to silence ANY comment that puts Muhammad in a negative light… in the “shadows of decency” re: consummation of marriage with 9 year old Ayisha… i.e., what is “deviant” is NOT decent… whether it is heterosexual or homosexual conduct.

Randy Shilt's book, And The Band Played On, written in 1987 dealt with much deviant activity in the homosexual community at that time of the bath houses (… with holes between the stalls for anonymous sexual gratification) which included golden showers, fisting, tonguing, bath house anonymous satisfaction of carnal lust… all deviant activity.

Our Ugandan Christian brothers and sisters are expressing the 21st century iteration of a first century abhorence against deviant conduct… and from their Ugandan man on the street perspective, that includes homosexuality, including urine fetish and fecal fetish that their community is dealing with.

God did not “make” (… i.e., “create”) heterosexuality or homosexuality. Biblically, God “made” male and female… to multiply… and there's only one way for the first man and woman to multiply.

To say that God's “original intent” for male and female to practice heterosexual sex to be fruitful and multiply is not “exclusively” STILL relevant in the 21st century and MUST include “enlightenment” about homosexual sex and that “original intent” includes “love” without reproduction, well, this societal evolution away from God's “original intent” requires more than plaintive words about “I am who I am because that's who I am” and “God made me who I am”… etc., this is expressed many ways.

In the age of DNA, it requires honesty about being “made” male and female… not being “made” heterosexual OR homosexual… we were made male and female… we were made what we “ARE”… we were NOT made what we “DO”… with either a male or a female.

With “original intent” respect… to “friends”…

Art
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bpb1983, I was born a sinner, too. That is the way I was “made.” I still have desires to do sinful things. It is easy for me to twist a true statement to benefit me (i.e. lie). I still look at women's bodies lustfully. I still too often follow my own guidance rather than God's. This does not mean these are “who I am.” Neither liars nor homosexuals will be allowed into the kingdom of Heaven. Just because you have particular difficulty with your specific sin of homosexuality does not mean you are meant to be a homosexual, any more than my struggle with lust means I am supposed to be a sexual “playa.”

I am sorry you felt so frustrated in your prayer attempts to overcome homosexuality. Full disclosure, it took 16 years of prayer and frustration before I was relieved of my masturbatory propensity. This did not occur of my own volition. It was wholly the work of Jesus Christ. To this day, I am not even tempted to perform those acts which utterly controlled me for so long.

You have announced your christianity in your posts here. I cannot determine the validity of your claim simply from your posts, but here is what I can see. You have utterly dismissed the very “dusty tome” from which we get the idea of Christianity and what it is. Your original responses to two people on this sight was in utter contradiction to the fruit which Jesus himself said would be the evidence of Christians. You make several mentions of God yet none of Jesus Christ who is the very epitome of the Christian life and without whom it is impossible to be christian. As Paul wrote, even the demons believe in God, and shutter, but Jesus is the stumbling block. Finally, you have been equally as judgmental and condemning of the people you have denounced for their judgmentalism and condemnation. Instead of bearing reproach as Jesus teaches we should do as Christians, you have instead been offended for your own sake, not God's, and lashed out in your self-righteous anger. So far, I have not seen any of the fruit of Christianity.

As Texasgirl46 alluded, what you do in your own bedroom is between you, the other person, and God. The only reason we know anything about it is because you made it a public issue. The only reason I am even saying anything to you now is because of your claim of Christianity. It is not my duty to judge a sinner his sins, but it is my duty to rebuke a brother, as you have claimed to be.

Jesus tells us to repent of our sins and do them no more. You have decided to embrace your sin and make it your identity. You say you did not choose it, but neither did I choose to be a liar. That does not mean you can just embrace it. You still have to turn away from it. I once was a liar. Now, in Jesus, it does not control me, and just as with my previously mentioned sin, this one too will eventually not be a temptation for me. I do not promise deliverance tomorrow from homosexuality, but one thing I know: a person cannot be BOTH a homosexual and a follower of Christ anymore than one can be BOTH a liar and a follower of Christ. They are oxymoronic. You have to cease BEing one to BE the other.

Thank you David, but you do not speak for Art so I will ignore your attempt to do so. However I will respond to you regarding my mirror. Its a little dirty at the moment but in the morning the windex will come out and then it will be all nice and squeaky clean!! I am not quite sure what you mean so I will just shrug and move on… feel free to clarify if you wish.

Oh and btw you should look up the whole argument that preaches turning away from homosexuality and what happens to the so-called healed ones… the suicide rates in teens is especially stunning.

I think you are being a bit naive if you think “the Christian Right” are only riled by homosexuality. None of the groups you just mentioned are leading a campaign demanding acceptance within the Christian body, but they are opposed just the same. Homosexuals are the ones on the crusade, and then cry “bigotry” when the church does not succomb to their demands. Because homosexuals are the ones on the direct offensive, they are the most obvious ones being countered. I do acknowledge some bigotry out there, obviously, but just as you were able to find a church willing to abandon the Truth for your sake, other churches will abandon the Truth to be bigoted.

As I said before, I don't need you to prove yourself to me. What you do is between you and God, until, that is, you make it a public issue, which you did. I do not have a problem with your homosexuality as far as this; I am willing to accept it is, or was, a difficult struggle for you. Homosexuality is one of the few items directly brought into the new testament from the old, while many other admonitions were “alleviated.” So I believe it, like other sins, is wrong. The problem I had with what you said was your self-righteous indignation while claiming to be a Christian. Just because you want to be free to practice your sin in the body of Christ does not mean you are being oppressed or controlled if someone tells you you are not allowed.

As to the United Church of Christ, I do not know anything about them, but any mother who says to their son “Oh that's wonderful dear,” when the son declares his intention to jump off a cliff, may sound open and loving, but she is not. Likewise, any church who says “come and freely sin here” is not being loving and open but is helping you dig your grave. I don't need you to be righteous for my sake, but I am not supposed to let a redefinition of righteousness stand especially when it is a professed Christian doing it.

God does not have love for the LGBT community, but for people, and that love says “you must stop sinning, so I have sent my Son so that you may sin no more!”

You are right, people can throw scripture around all they want to defend their positions. The Pharisees and teachers of the law did it in Jesus' day, and many do it today. But Jesus said his sheep would know his voice, that is the truth. I have done my part to expound it. I cannot make anyone accept it. The way is narrow and the path is rough which leads to life, but wide is the path and easy is the way which leads to destruction. If you start to see many people heading in the same direction you are, and then more and more following, let this warning catch you. “Reconsider that the way you are going is too easy.”

Touche, my point is that I am not going around pointing out the sins of the homosexual community. They exist but I leave you (read the hetero community at large) alone, yet we are in a constant verbal war with you that we don't start. It's quite old and disgusting. My point stands though. He was making broad and false generalizations without any proof other than a book. How many gays does he talk and hang out with? Yeah, I would like to know that… I have hundreds of friends and know NONE of them that engage in the behavior he and this video say is rampant in the LGBT community. It is fear mongering and ignorance and I will not stand for it.

First off…

“First off, I am NOT your friend Art and nor would I care to be.”

Ok… done. See how friendly we heterosexuals are?

Now, how about the Islamist jihadis who want to build a mosque on ground zero? Are you for them or against them. If you're against them, that makes two of us.

So, now on to the really serious stuff of life and death.

Do you remember the interview that Connie Chung had with Marlon Brando some time before he died… and Connie snookered Newt Gingrich's mom to call Hillary Clinton a word that is the commonly accepted name of a female dog?

Connie asked Marlon about what his possible last thoughts might be before he died. Brando said that, as he is lying on his bed with his head on his pillow, he would look up and ask, “what was this all about?” That's all, just ask a rhetorical question about life… and ultimately death… and the unknown when the last breath escapes the lips.

What is life all about? What was his life all about? One of his children killed one of his other children… so, what was living… and death, all about?

Have you thought about that bpb1983?

The ONE who claimed publically to have the words of eternal life believed the pentateuch, the first 5 books of Moses, including Genesis, which contains the words of humanity's “original genesis” as well as the words of God's “original intent” for his creation, male and female.

The words “original genesis” are short hand for the first 5 words of Genesis 1:1 – “In the beginning, God created…” What God created was from the beginning, and was something with which Jesus agreed. If it were not so from the beginning, he would have said so, wouldn't he?

בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית
be•re•shit
in the beginning

בָּרָ֣א
ba•ra
created

אֱלֹהִ֑ים
e•lo•him;
God

אֵ֥ת
et

הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם
ha•sha•ma•yim
the heavens

וְאֵ֥ת
ve•'et

הָאָֽרֶץ׃
ha•'a•retz.
the earth

The words “original intent” are short hand for Genesis 1: 27 and 28, which Jesus agreed with. God's original intent was to make male and female to “be fruitful and multiply” to fill the earth.

זָכָ֥ר
za•char
male

וּנְקֵבָ֖ה
u•ne•ke•vah
and female

בָּרָ֥א
ba•ra
created

אֹתָֽם׃
o•tam.

וַיְבָ֣רֶךְ
vay•va•rech
blessed

אֹתָם֮
o•tam

אֱלֹהִים֒
e•lo•him
God

וַיֹּ֨אמֶר
vai•yo•mer
said

לָהֶ֜ם
la•hem

אֱלֹהִ֗ים
e•lo•him
and God

פְּר֥וּ
pe•ru
to them be fruitful

וּרְב֛וּ
u•re•vu
and multiply

וּמִלְא֥וּ
u•mil•'u
and fill

אֶת־
et-

הָאָ֖רֶץ
ha•'a•retz
the earth

In your rant to me without substance, bpb1983, you ignored the substance and slid into the ditch of innuendo and calumny. You denigrated your creator God's “original genesis”… from the beginning. You also denigrated your creator God's “original intent”… from the beginning… when he made male and female.

So, bpb1983, it appears that your internal debate is not with heterosexuals… who “DO” what they “ARE”… born to do with God's “original intent” blessing from the beginning of his “original creation.”

Your internal debate appears to be with the God who “made” us what we “ARE”… NOT what we “DO” with our sexual organs… with OR without love for a significant other, heterosexaul OR homosexual.

Of course, there is so much more to expose about God's original creation and God's original intent for his creation, but I can only defer to Jesus for the final word about God's original intent from the beginning.

Jesus said that he came to proclaim God's loving words to a sin sick world… which he did… and he was nailed for it… publically humiliated without a stitch of clothing on… absorbing the taunts of the crowd.

After a life time of doing good and using thousands of words proclaiming that God's kingdom (… i.e., reign AND realm) was in their midst, his own people were instrumental in having the political authorities nail him to a cross.

Do you remember what his last three words were, bpb1983, before his last breath passed his lips? Jesus looked down at the crowd and said audibly to his Father and our Father, “It Is Finished”… then he bowed his head, breathed his last breath… and died… until he breathed his first resurrection breath.

So, what does “it is finished” have to do with heterosexuality or homosexuality or anything relating to Islamist fascism in the 21st century? Well, sin is still sin and death is still death and Muhammad is still buried in his grave.

Simply put, God's original intent for his original creation from the beginning included the words of Jesus “it is finished” to be considered in conjunction with his resurrection from death to life. The resurrection is visible confirmation to his creation that death is not the end… resurrection is coming.

Marlon Brando did not accept God's revelation in the good words and good works of Jesus in his behalf, and ours.

Do you, bpb1983, accepts God's revelation of his “original creation” and his “original intent” and the “it is finished” intent of the words of Jesus which were revealed by his resurrection?

As davidegregory said in one of his responses to you… the choice is not both. Humanity's choice is between our own sin and death or Jesus's sinlessness and resurrection from death to life.

bpb1983, your internal debate is not with heterosexuals… it is with Jesus and his revelation of God's original creation and original intent and final solution to sin and death.

Jesus said to his disciples that he was calling them friends because they were listening to his words about life and death. He also chastised them for ignoring his words, “… why do you call me Lord, but do not do what I say?”

God made us male and female… he made us what we “ARE” and NOT what we “DO”… heterosexual OR homosexual… with OR without love.

bpb1983, I don't expect you to respond substantively to anything written here. So, if you simply rant and rave without substance I probably will not respond… and that is intended in a “friendly” way, of course.

Art
STOP! Islamization Of America

Art you cram the largest words into the smallest ideas… it is really a gift. I don't have a beef with God, Art, so please refrain from saying that I do or that you presume to know what is going on my head. My issue is that you have a problem with homosexuals. It is plainly obvious. Prove me wrong, I am waiting.
The problem with assuming you know what God's intentions are is just that… assumptions. Have you had a sit down chat that we need to know about? I have never NOT felt the love of God and I am comfortable with who I am and I do my best everyday to show love and compassion to other people. I believe that to love my fellow man and treat them with honor and respect is what it means to be human being following the “intentions” of God. We have been fighting WARS for 3000 years over the “interpretations” of what God “tells” us. Jews, Christians, and Muslims have been killing each other for centuries because people get it in their head that they KNOW what God wants and the other does not. Sound stupid? I think so… so forgive me when I cringe a little when someone tries to tell me that I don't know what God intends so I should listen to this person tell me what the real story is…
I was raised Pentecostal. To them all Catholics, Methodists, Presbyterians, most Baptists, and EVERY non Christian was going to hell. Funny thing is that they all thought the same way!!!! OH BOY we have a conundrum here… every sect of Christianity claims that only THEY have it right. The same can be said of Judaism and Islam. Are we not growing TIRED of this yet???? I am GAY Art, and I am comfortable and accepting of that. I was MADE this way because I know myself better than you do, trust me. If you cannot accept that then that is too bad but I feel no need to justify myself or what I do to you. I have a wonderful relationship with my friends and family AND my church family. God and I have been on great terms for a long time now as well and I feel HIS love for me every day.

I have no idea why you choose to interject politics here but I will bite. We agree about the Mosque issue. WOW we have common purpose!!

I am sure you will feel this is a rant and devoid of substance but I can not be more real with you, sir. It is an awfully big world out there bud and it contains a million viewpoints on many different issues. Sadly, some people are just convinced that it is their way or not at all… I still have FAITH in mankind, Art. I trust that eventually we will all start working toward common purpose. I don't care if my neighbor is a Jew or a Hindu or a Southern Baptist. If that person is a decent human being and a law abiding citizen then that is all I care about, the human bond we share. We are all God's children Art. He loves us all. How juvenile are we to believe that He loves one person better or more just because of what they do on sunday or where they go to worship or how they interpret a BOOK that has itself been translated and chopped up hundreds of times. I do not expect a response Art, as we have said all we will say on the subject I am sure. If you do though please do us all a favor and leave the proselytizing at home as it is really quite demeaning and a waste of your time. I am a gay Christian and that suits me just fine.

I wish the peace of the Lord upon you and may you and yours have a blessed day.

Brian