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We were once a nation based upon the "rule of law". The case law in this case is such that a corporation is a creation of the state. It is a legal benefit solicited by persons from the government. The "Ashwander Doctrine" ruled by the courts in 1938-297US288- AFFIRMED that any "person" receiving benefit from the government gives up their Constitutional rights. That is why Obama regime can cram down the Obama healthcare pkg. Not only that, but, detain American citizens without probable cause indefinitely.
WAKE UP all you American socialist , you have given up your Constitution rights for a "mess of pottage"! DrB4u2@gmail.com
We were once a nation based upon the "rule of law". The case law in this case is such that a corporation is a creation of the state. It is a legal benefit solicited by persons from the government. The "Ashwander Doctrine" ruled by the courts in 1938-297US288- AFFIRMED that any "person" receiving benefit from the government gives up their Constitutional rights. That is why Obama regime can cram down the Obama healthcare pkg. Not only that, but, detain American citizens without probable cause indefinitely.
WAKE UP all you American socialist , you have given up your Constitution rights for a "mess of pottage"! DrB4u2@gmail.com
It's really easy to yell, "religious freedom" and suggest that employers should be allowed to determine which specific treatments will (or will not) be covered by the health insurance they secure for their employees. It's a little harder when you start considering what that really means...
1) Suppose that the CEO is a Jehovah's Witness. The company then decides that, in keeping with the beliefs of that religion, blood transfusions and organ transplants will no longer be covered by the company's health insurance.
2) Suppose that the CEO is a Christian Scientist. That faith requires its members to avoid professional medicine whenever possible, focusing instead on meditation and prayer (with the assistance of Christian Science practitioners). So, they cut the company's health insurance down to the bone.
3) As companies acquire other companies (or are acquired, or sold off entirely), the religious faith(s) of CEOs and Boards of Directors will undoubtedly change. Given the high mobility of employees among jobs on top of the ebb and flow of corporate M&As, it's important to have a baseline of what insurance does (and does not) cover.
There's a more important point here, as well - that of the individual. When you start arguing the question of "moral conscience," you're really asking about whose beliefs should take precedence. In some states, a pharmacist is now allowed to effectively overrule both a doctor and their patient by refusing to fill prescriptions that offend their "moral conscience." (I grew up in an area with one pharmacy within 35 miles; it would have been a major problem if that pharmacist started refusing to fill prescriptions.) Those who argue "religious freedom" in this case are doing the exact same thing; they're suggesting that "the company" should be able to effectively dictate the financial aspects of matters of conscience to their employees.
I don't have a problem with exempting truly religious entities--churches, seminaries, and the like--from this mandate, because those entities usually attract only those persons who share their religious views. When the focus switches to entities who serve (or employ) the general public, however, I think that the nature of the "general public" takes precedence. There's a very specific test for "religious entities" under the ACA, namely:
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A religious employer is one that: (1) has the inculcation of religious values as its purpose; (2) primarily employs persons who share its religious tenets; (3) primarily serves persons who share its religious tenets; and (4) is a non-profit organization under Internal Revenue Code section 6033(a)(1) and section 6033(a)(3)(A)(i) or (iii). 45 C.F.R. §147.130(a)(1)(iv)(B)
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That seems completely reasonable to me; it protects churches, seminaries, ministries and the like while drawing a clear line between secular/for-profit and religious/non-profit entities.
Can you imagine activist judges like sotamayor and kagen being added to the supreme court. That is what's going to happen because 2 or 3 judges have already claimed they are ready to retire. An Obama gets to pick the next ones and we already know what he wants. Judges do rule according to law anymore, they rule according to bias and it seems there are more liberal judges than conservative ones.
There is still a way to keep Obama out of a second term, and it is entirely Constitutional, if we have the will to do it.
If those Red States will simply not send their Electors to the gathering of the Electoral College in December, we can deny the Electoral College a quorum. If that happens, they cannot elect the president. Then it is thrown to Congress to elect the President and VP.
The Republican House will elect the President, Romney or someone else, and the Dem Senate will elect the VP, either Obama or Biden.
This is all exactly as the Constitution specifies, and it can still be done, if we can deny them a quorum in the Electoral College. Everybody needs to get busy on that!!
Today I learned that not many people on this site understand the Constitution despite feverishly asserting that its principles must be upheld.
That's quite the assertion to make michael.
And what a coincidence, today I learned that people name Michael troll Conservative sites to start a ruckus. Only, nobody takes the bait.
In his writings, Mark has bulls-eyed the core issue in the crumbling of the American experiment: JUDGES AND THE COURTS.
Seems this constitutional branch, since the start of the "Civil Rights era of American law" in the 1950's,(led by a rejected Earl,"wannabe President" Warren). has driven a nation into a death spiral of groupings and divisions of preferential, "diversity": the, Sine Qua Non for guaranteeing quotas for nearly any societal group, task, job, grievance or line of endeavor: subject to the connivance/ethical/skills balance of the advocates.
Originally focused on individual racial liberties: next for groups by ethnicity, sexual preference, gender, disability status, sexual preference etc: A virtual treasure trove of a modern "Divine Comedy" of culture worthy of the ironic pen of the Florentine Dante.
That the absurdity of the present state of civil rights law knows no bounds is currently underlined by the black congresswomen presser blitzkrieg the past two days: claiming Susan Rice is the victim of imbedded institutional gender and racial bigotry.
Frankly, I'd rather see them get equivalently exercised about the 70+ illegitimacy rate of their sisters in the "Hood": and the 50+ rate among their white counterparts... both bracketing the 60+ rate of their Latino,"Sisters".
Hobby Lobby should team with the 50 other largest companies and just say NO to the entire bill.....Let's see what would happen then....
If I were Hobby Lobby, I'd ignore the unconstitutional ruling and tell the judge to go to hell. Enough is enough. If enough people stand up for their religious freedom this whole mess can be stopped. How about it Catholic Church? Do you have the cajones to just say NO?
Hobby Lobby is owned by an Evangelical from ORU. The Catholic Church has never waivered from her faith for over 2000 years!
HH may lay off some workers.....a hint: check proBHO stickers on the cars in your parking lot and get the list of females who would like to receive those freebies...
Make them numero uno to be marching to unempl. office.
Obvious solution ;)
ugh....you where the hell does it say your employer has to provide you anything else but
compensation for work you do...period.
so outa control...
This is merely a prelude to the real goal - providing free abortions (partial and otherwise). We need to quit calling this law Obama "care". There is nothing caring about it. It is pure destruction brought about by satan himself.
I love Hobby Lobby and will support the Green's efforts to fight yet again this government's tactics to take away our freedom. Most of us here are not surprised to see more and more of this happening. The writing was on the wall 4 years ago and even before that. We were born for such a time as this though, and for that reason can hold our heads up high with joy in our hearts knowing that our leader is Almighty God and He's leading the way! :)
Personally I don't see anything wrong w the morning after pill. However, I don't think any insurance company or business should be forced to provide that or any contraceptives in an insurance policy. I'd like to see people be allowed to include pets on their insurance policy. They need to go to the vet more than I need to go to the Dr. I don't have any kids and they cover them. If they are going to give people a deduction on taxes for their kids, I want one for my dogs too. It's only fair.
I agree with you on the pets issue. I don't have any kids either and those vet bills can be... Well, you already know.
I never thought that I'd see in my lifetime the moment approaching fast where true Christians will have to live like those during the frist couple of centuries had to live: in catacombs, hidden away.
Yes, we knew and know that Christians were and are persecuted in those far away places called the Ummah.
Yes, we knew that Christians were and are persecuted under the communists in those communist countries.
But here in our countries, whose whole culture and history is based on Judeo-Christian beliefs?
It seems unbelievable - but look around you: this day is coming fast, and our established churches look like government appendages, promoting communist goals.
No, I never thought this could happen.
Now I know.
Clinging to my Bible and my Faith ...
It's a 'Christian' outfit. If it was an Islamic organization, the ACLU would be all over it.
The Constitutional Republic is dead. The Welfare States of Obama is here to stay. Just accept your orders from the central government and stop all that hate speeech against our fine dictator.
Are there no Muslim businesses or groups who are similarly unhappy with this violation of conscience? Or have they all been quietly given waivers? and so, we now have the Soviet Union's version of religious freedom...it's guaranteed in the Constitution, but the definitions of religion and freedom are left up the the dictator in charge at the moment... B B, B B, B B, B B, B B, B B B B B B B B...
A few days ago I started a tour of our current situation and feel a need to update it. The new tour highlights start at day 2 but I'm gonna include the first day of our junket also.
Okay folks, right this way. You'll notice this little crag here that we'll have to jump over to get to that next level down there. Like we warned you at the beginning of the tour, there will be a few obstacles before we get to the Ruins of America. Just keep your eyes closed and don't mind the threatening voices along the way, those are just union leaders making sure everyone stays in line. Figure them to just be assistant tour guides. Oh, look up ahead, that's known as the Dr. Cash Only Chasm. C'mon, hustle up, if we move along we can camp out at Camp 0 tonight and get a free popcorn dinner.
Day two. Good morning adventurers, we're gonna start the day with a nice slow walk down to the Bible Pit. If you wish to continue on the tour and you have a Bible with you, you are required to throw it in the Bible Pit. Don't worry we'll toast some twinkies as we recite Ode to An Icon. We'll rid ourselves of the Bibles, lighten our load, pay proper respect to a childhood craving all while under-nourishing ourselves. This portion of the tour is sponsred by Moochele. Okay, up and at 'em. We're now coming upon the Continent Building. In here are where the designers of our new world reside. Look up there on the roof, atop the second floor, thats the Flag of 0. He's the single most reason we were able to move to a two story building due his snakecharming powers enticing the world into one country per continent. That tall building on the left is the old UN, 39 glorious floors of housing for retired democrat politicians that were able to overcome sex scandals. They're adding on another 100 floors in the near future. It'll be called Dems Sex Den. Okay time for lunch at Bidens Bits, here we'll have a smorgasbord of meals that have a missing or extra ingredient, nothing is cooked to perfection but we're not allowed to talk about it. This afternoon we'll be running acorss a train track with an oncoming locomotive named 0 Pressed. Its named with you, the public in mind and owned by the Main Stream Media. Warning though, we will be hit by this train but if you tell yourselves it didn't happen, then it didnt happen. Tonight, dinner and lodging at Clinton Castle. Guys sleep outside to guard against outlanders while you ladies get to shed your clothes and sleep with bill and/or Hillary. Tomorrow....you ain't gonna believe it
I read that three times to make sure I got the full meaning of it. Brilliant! I myself, am a student of sarcasm. Because in sarcasm, there is always the element of truth.
Kudos, my man. Well done, indeed. I appreciate the time it took you to do that. The resulting product was quality stuff.
So the owners of the business sign over the ownership of the business to their favorite church who keeps them on as very high paid consultants to run a successful Christian and Church owned business.
This is the new face of the "pro-choice" movement. They get to chose to pay for abortions or to go out of business.
So glad the federal government now gets to tell me what I believe and do not believe since I also happen to own a business. Hope they have a plan to take care of all these people if the owners of Hobby Lobby decide their conscience is more important than a government birth control mandate. If it were me, I would close it down. Seriously. Not worth being in business anymore when it violates my conscience. Businesses DO NOT exist to employ and insure people and provide them with free birth control. Businesses exist for the owner to do something they feel contributes to society, and to make money. When those two purposes go away, so does the business. But that seems to be the goal of this administration: to make everyone equally unemployed and government dependent.
The issue for Hobby Lobby actually isn't free birth control. Their insurance covers birth control. They object for religious reasons to providing coverage for the abortofacients as they believe life begins at conception. 0-care requires all insurance plans to include "Plan B" pills (probably abortions, too), which violates the Green family's religious beliefs.
How many thousands of HL employees are affected by this over reaching mandate?
This is a wicked, unrighteous, godless, vile, perverted govt. American has turned her back on God and she will, and has, see His wrath poured out on her. Just like the Israelites in the book of Judges. When they forgot God and turned their back on Him the Bible says:
Jg 2:11 And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim:
12 And they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.
13 And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.
14 And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he delivered them into the hands of spoilers that spoiled them, and he sold them into the hands of their enemies round about, so that they could not any longer stand before their enemies.
15 Whithersoever they went out, the hand of the LORD was against them for evil, as the LORD had said, and as the LORD had sworn unto them: and they were greatly distressed.
The Lord has delivered America into the hand of the spoilers (Obama). He has given to us what we deserve. America has forsaken the Lord and served other gods. America has provoked the Lord to anger. The hand of the Lord is against America for her blasphemy and filthy, vile sin.
The Truth has been spoken. You can chose to not believe it but if you do you are a foolish person.
And if you have the temerity to question anything the government does today, it will crush you, either through the courts or financially, or both. This is how revolutions begin. Just remember how the first American Revolution got started, and it had a lot to do with taxes (which is what Obamacare is now considered, at least by the Supreme Court). I also thought that the Democratic Party was the "inclusive, big tent" party. But I guess if you're against abortion, you get thrown out of the tent and stoned to death. How biblical.
Like Mark Levin said, the government is now in the bedroom. Ironic isn't it since the Dims are always accusing Republicans of wanting to be in everyone's bedroom.
That soft fascism seems to be hardening up nicely after the election.
Maybe someone should find whatever bath house the GOP dodderers are in and shake them gently awake then get them to maybe start doing their jobs some time?
Socialism is not such a bad thing really, so long as it is introduced a little at a time. That is exactly the way it is being presented to the American people. A little at a time. Augmented, with lots of free stuff. Its a formula that almost has no chance of failure.
They have thought about this for a long time. It started in the fifties. There are only a few of us left, who remember the fifties. Most people alive today, have been subjected to the main stream media now, for at least thirty years. The main stream media IS socialism. It is their main platform for taking away your freedom, for getting you to drink the Koolaid, for getting you to stop resisting what they intend to put in place. A One World Order.
If we had only understood what was happening, when the United Nations was created.
The United Nations was created for one purpose. To take away the power and strength of the United States, and give it to countries who do not believe in the freedoms and rights that Americans enjoy, as their birthright. Your own President, is one of those.
He is the progeny of a not very intelligent white woman, who somehow engaged in a relationship with a man born in Kenya, who killed himself by driving, while drunk, into a tree. The tree survived. Obama's father did not. What a legacy, for a man to be President of these great United States.
After Jefferson, and Hamilton, and Franklin, and Adams, we have this. To be left, after two hundred years of Freedom, two hundred years of following The Constitution, all of that time, all of those political arguments and fights, to be left with this. This miserable imitation of a leader, whose only attributes, are his big mouth and his practiced ability to read a teleprompter, to espouse the words written there for him, on the screen by someone else.
What a tragedy for this nation, that we have succumbed to this. Is this what will be written in the future History books? That the greatest experiment of Freedom in the History of mankind, was destroyed by someone born in Kenya, in a dubious relationship between a demented white girl, and a racist black man who together, produced a child who would grow up as a Muslim and hate white people, and become the President of the United States?
I hope not. But I haven't seen any recent evidence to the contrary.
Well, the communists have learned that the softly-softly approach (also called 'salami tactic', because like with a salami, freedom and liberty are cut away a tiny, thin slice at a time, until there's no more salami left ...) works better in capitalist countries.
A look back at history shows that Lenin was well aware of this, thus he supported the infamous Willi Muenzenberg from 1919 onwards to build up media in germany, to lure the artists, writers and intellectuals into the arms of communism. Softly softly ... one of Muenzenberg's aides was the infamous Otto Katz, who spend years in Hollywood, promoting left causes, all under the guise of being anti-Hitler. That was the way it worked in Europe as well.
By the time these two and others were dead, thanks to Stalin's persecutions, the poison had entered the blood stream of academe, culture, journalism.
That's how come we are where we are.
I am praying and hoping that there may be a number of 'rough men' preparing to stand up, defend and take back Constitution and Liberty. Soon. Before the communists feel safe to drop their mask and 'lean forward' to a Socialist Union, GULAG included.
The Truth is...Obama is trying to put companies OOB and he KNOWS that if these companies do NOT cooperate with the mandate then the penalty will BUST them...Oh, how very American!! He is laying off 60,000 from my company which is also government in 2013. With the taxes on the wealthy, he will be killing the farmer as well. When will this stop? When the gov't has control over our Food Supply, our jobs and our whole life? Look folks, our country...America, was NOT designed like this!! Our Founding Fathers are flipping in their graves. I am smelling Revolution.
Maybe they should just stop offering company supported insurance then. Let the employees find a plan that they find suitable.
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