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Still unfamiliar with this--why each time I log on there is a different thread going for this article, one with 370+ comments, another 17 comments, another 35 comments, all with different comments, and back and forth between the threads?
The Nov election was meaningless. We learned nothing and we changed nothing.
$41 in taxes for every $1 in spending cuts.
Are you kidding me!
Pat Roberts, see ya in 2014. Jerry Moran, 2016.
I am so sick of my supposedly conservative Kansas sending big-government, big-spending, big-taxing fiscal liberals to DC. Whatever I can do to make sure these two are ousted will be done.
The problem is finding a fiscally conservative Republican in this state. Maybe there's a Democrat who can stand up for some fiscal sanity?
All of Grassley's supposedly pro-Second ammendment votes are for naught if he capitulates this time. This is the Big 'Enchilada" which will quite possibly lead us to another Horrific "Civil War". Also if you read the link i provided,he not only wants to Ban certain Firearms,but would like to add knives to the list
Another thing he has an "A" rating by the NRA just like leftie Joe Manchin who now has had a rather "Timely" change of heart and now wants Firearms to have a 3 round limit capacity. Finally Grassley's 1990's votes,were taken place when there were still even a few Conservative and not pretend Patriotic "Blue Dog" democrats and many real Conservative repubs unlike now. Grassley had no choice to vote the way he did and i believe now we are seeing the "REA"L Chuck Grassley.
All of Grassley's supposedly pro-Second ammendment votes are for naught if he capitulates this time. This is the Big 'Enchilada" which will quite possibly lead us to another Horrific "Civil War". Also if you read the link i provided,he not only wants to Ban certain Firearms,but would like to add knives to the list
Another thing he has an "A" rating by the NRA just like leftie Joe Manchin who now has had a rather "Timely" change of heart and now wants Firearms to have a 3 round limit capacity. Finally Grassley's 1990's votes,were taken place when there were still even a few Conservative and not pretend Patriotic "Blue Dog" democrats and many real Conservative repubs unlike now. Grassley had no choice to vote the way he did and i believe now we are seeing the "REA"L Chuck Grassley.
We are all in this together; we must try to get out together.
Chalk it up to charity.
Next, eight economic zones that have boards of CEO's revitalizing business in the region, buy local legislation, anti-trust vigilance, investors given tax incentives of all kinds for jobs created after six months. Paternity, alimony and child support laws, adoption incentives, abstinence education, government waste enormously investigated and eliminated.
C'mon now. Take it to the streets.
But do not make it partisan; just good policies.
No rancor, just rigor.
Have a good beginning to your New Year.
Adieu.
All the work is not done on the Congressional floor. Much needs to be done outside. They are gridlocked.
How about this:
Learning From History
“Ten Historically Significant Political Protests”
(per link: http://www.livescience.com/16153-10-significant-political-protests.html)
and attempts to apply to today:
Then Now
Protestant Reformation Speeches, Petitions to Restore School Prayer/Meditation to Prevent More School Massacres
Storming of the Bastille Marches To Overturn Citizens United Subversion of Elections
Ghandi's Salt March 1500 Mile Walk Across America's Small Farms to Protest Monsanto-Like Anti-Trust Violations
Boston Tea Party Marches/Demonstrations. to Cut-Obscene-Gov't-Waste-First & Fairer/Flatter Tax Next
Mandela's Stay at Home Day Protests to Stop Gov't Surveillance of Citizens
Tianamen Square Protest Against Violations of Transparancy in Gov't Laws
Berlin Wall Protests Marches to Make All Environmental Laws Subject to Cost Accounting VS Job Creation
Iraq War Protests Marches to Make All Wars Require Congressional
Approval
The Ukranian Orange Revolution Protests to Enact Voter ID Laws
In Honor of All Protests Marches to Hold Fathers Accountable for Paternity and Mandatory Child Support/alimony & Protest Gov't Payment for Abortions
I've been pretty subdued lately but after this Senate vote I am rip roaring angry. We have one party who is evil and another who is stupid! There, I've said it, the Republicans are stupid!
What really has me livid is Obama bragging he got the Republicans to break their "no tax pledge" to the American people. This man is straight from the pit of Hell to gloat over a broken promise. God forgive me for my thoughts and words earlier because they weren't Biblical in any way, shape or form.
Wait until the American people see what they have wrought through their votes. As my grandmother said; you've made your bed and now you will lie in it. Oh, the cries will be great when the lack of money in their wallet isn't able to cover food, gas, meds and other necessities.
A fool depends on govt and get snookered while a wise man depends on God.
"The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want." Psalm 23:1
I clearly remember Sean Hannity interviewing Jim Bunning (R-KY) as he was retiring from the Senate a couple years ago. Jim Bunning took alot of heat for putting a hold on a bill approving another extension of unemployment benefits. His main criticism of the bill was that this new spending was not paid for, and he wanted to offset the new spending with cuts somewhere else. As you can imagine, he was vilified for this and called lots of names.
This was his parting shot, as he was departing the Senate. So, when Hannity asked him about the make-up of the Senate, Bunning stated that "we need 70 Senators" to fix the fiscal mess, and note this was TWO YEARS ago!
The fact that 8 Senators voted against the bill is telling, and that Jim Bunning said we need 70 like-minded Senators shows you how far behind we really are. Not encouraging at all.
It appears that the house is using delay tactics (rightfully so) on the senate bill HR8! Putting the delays into good use!
I would be fine with having Darrell Issa as speaker of the house. Good on him for demanding a recorded vote, too.
Good for Michael Fitzpatrick and Darrell Issa for discussing on the floor freezing pay for congress and federal workers!
(Washington, D.C.) Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (MN-06) today introduced legislation that would rescind the portion of President Obama’s executive order that gives members of Congress a pay raise.
“I am calling on my colleagues in the House and Senate to rescind President Obama’s executive order that gives members of Congress a pay raise. This executive order was not requested by Congress and we should reject it. We have a spending problem in our country and we should be looking for areas to cut spending. At a time when families across the country are cutting back we should not increase government spending and add to the debt burden by giving members of Congress a pay raise. We need to begin with ourselves and I urge my colleagues to join me in this effort.”
I was one of a few here who supported House Speaker John Boehner’s “Plan B.” As I had posted many times, Obama, Reid and Democrats had already REJECTED it. Thus, there was NO RISK of passage or raising taxes on just those earning $1 million per year.
Most important to me, passage would have offered cover for the the cowardly Republicans in the Senate to support the “Plan B" option. This would have place the onus on Obama and Reid to pass legislation in the Senate. Recall that even when Democrats controlled the White House and Congress, they failed to pass one federal budget.
Organizations like the Heritage Foundation, various Tea Party groups and conservative political pundits opposed Boehner's 'Plan B' and pressured House members not to support it. That left Republicans with McConnell negotiating with Obama, Biden and Reid and McConnell's record in this regard has been horrific since Obama was elected in 2008. This became clear when 40 Republican Senators voted for this awful bill.
Thus, instead of raising income taxes on those earning $1 million, taxes will rise on those earning $450,000 a year. Also, there's only $1 in cuts for every $41 in new taxes. IMO, the so-called caving charge made against Speaker Boehner created the true cavers - Senate Republicans - and now it's likely that probably 100 or more House Republicans will vote with their Senate colleagues.
On most issues, I agree with my conservative brethren here. However, I'm very disappointed with the infighting among conservatives which has left them weaker and awarded Obama a big WIN while making the GOP look like a bunch of clowns.
Re: Plan B, your argument assumes that it would have passed the Senate. Reid said it was DOA. So, it can be argued that Plan B would not have mattered.
As for conservative infighting, it was on display during the primaries. Everyone had their niche candidate, while the others were never pure enough. Nothing new to see here, unfortunately.
My comment didn't make any assumption that Boehner’s 'Plan B' would PASS in the Senate. In fact, that was the reason why I supported the 'Plan B' option.
As I noted, Obama, Reid and Democrats had already REJECTED it prior to the House considered bringing it to the floor. Thus, there was NO RISK of passage or raising taxes on just those earning $1 million per year.
But the conservative infighting caused it to fail in the House which lead to Minority Leader McConnell to negotiate a deal with Obama and Reid - this has been a disaster for Republicans in the recent pass. And that's what occurred last night when the House passed McConnell's deal.
I hope all conservatives know the helping hand they played where Obama and Democrats took the whole jackpot in a big win that will lead to a bankrupt America.
"It also blocks spending cuts for two months, extends unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, prevents a 27 percent cut in fees for doctors who treat Medicare patients and prevents a spike in milk prices." This kind of control is PURE socialism.
AND did they raise the capital gains rate??? If it's effective retroactively, that's extremely dastardly, as it prevented anyone from selling at the lower rate!! In any case, it will drive unemployment higher as investors take their money elsewhere where they can actually get a decent return.
Does anyone notice that this is how all the supposed negotiations work anymore. Make it a panic for months, pretend to be concerned and offering proposals and finally just caving in the end? And when I say caving, I really mean doing what they know we don't want them to do and trying to pass it off as a necessary evil. Total BS. The fix was in before it started. They are ALL on the SAME PAGE!!!!
Reasons Obama won: Democrats as a group believe they are doing more, such as seen on this link:
Hence why Obama successfully aligned himself with Hollywood--brilliant move.
I don't like it although good work is good work--
Would rather see conservatives activate more for good causes here.
Stop hating. Need to be more positive and more pro-active.
That's the only way to get any change you want.
We need good soldiers to lead, not just talk.
Ex: Advocate for Right-to-Life abstinance education and men's Promise-Keepers education.
Or is this too boring?
When do we stop throwing stones and start doing more?
Some days I really wonder if the Repubs in Washington secretly have a death wish... They always fall for the Democrats traps and never seem remorseful afterwards... This was nothing more than a trap by the Dems to get the Republicans to vote for a tax increase. The Dems one and only goal in this entire fiscal cliff was to destroy the Republican party and it looks like they fell for it! How can it be, that I could see the trap from way down here in Louisiana but they couldn't sitting in the same room? They have to have a death wish...
The GOP is more afraid of the Democrat propaganda machine--the MSM-- than they are of the Democrats themselves. They don't have the courage or the creativity to effectively engage the Dems and/or their PR arm.
Or, perhaps the majority of the GOP actually agrees with what they are voting for, making them all part of the same gang of thieves and liars running this country. I used to believe in the GOP. Not anymore. I see them as the same garbage as their "friends" on the other side of the aisle. We want to believe that they have our backs, but reality shows us differently time and again. They aren't the stupid party. They aren't the nice party that simply gets done in by the evil democrats. They are the complicit party - playing the same game, only pretending they aren't.
Orangeone:
Thx--got it.
Now wondering about if there will ever be effective change.
I miss the days about 50 years ago when folks thought they could really make change here in the US. Seems like people have effectively given up, thinking change can still be made but only in Africa. Kudos to those who go there to try.
But what about the poor here?
The dialogue needs to be about working for cultural and economic change here.
I try but to no avail, I guess. Not that experienced. but still I have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Don't give up. Try harder.
thx
I understand your pessimism, but I do not share it completely. People here have not given up - we are all here, yes? Conservative groups and conversations have grown dramatically in a few short years. Changing the cultural and economic woes facing this country is a long, hard road to fight, but here we are, fighting. We all wish that everything would just suddenly turn around, but it won't. We are fighting a corrupt media and a corrupt government. We are fighting American citizens who have learned the fine art of getting something for nothing. We are fighting generations of people educated in a progressive garbage pit of unionized teachers and government-run educational think tanks, aka the public school system. It's a frightening mountain range of manure to climb over, but it is not impossible. We are moving forward. Slowly, but we are. I see it all the time.
Nothing but a "sock it to the rich" bill! Sad, just sad! And just wait until they take up the sequestration cuts in two months, they pass something in the 11th hour! Hope the house votes it down until all Bush Tax cuts are made permanent and no raise in captial gains taxes!
The senate's cliff deal cuts spending by only only $15 billion, and increases taxes by $620 billion, a 41:1 ratio, according to the CBO. Sweet.
Or as Drudge now headlines: $1 in cuts for every $41 in taxes.
It would be nice to have some patriotic ADULTS in Congress. What a joke.
Remember - TAXES=INFLATION=ECONOMIC DEPRESSION=LOWER REVENUE
Socialists/communists/progressives/fascists are dogs who bite the hand that feeds them.
Well played by the GOP leadership. They turned a disaster into a fiasco. Here is a lesson for the GOP...if you are going to lose, lose on principle if you have any. Both of my OH state senators voted for this nonsense, without reading the non-existent bill, apparently thinking that passing bad legislation is better than passing none at all. Congratulations to Paul, Rubio, Shelby, etc in the Senate for not supporting this mess. I look for the conservatives in the House to do the same. Given the outcome of this "fiscal cliff" prevarication, I will not be supporting the GOP anymore as long as McConnell and Boehner are in charge.
I agree. This bill should have never passed the Senate. Kudos to the eight Senators who voted against it.
With all due respects those senators do not deserve any kudo's. They were building up Phony Conservative 'Street Cred', in order to take the sting out of the liberal votes the plan to cast soon which will be much more devestating. Particularly Grassley on the Assault Weapon's Ban http://www.southwestiowanews.com/council_bluffs/news/grassley-gun-control-should-include-other-weapons/article_5737b43c-4a48-11e2-b7cc-0019bb2963f4.html and Rubio with the soon to be voted on Dream Act. This was a safe vote for those Frauds as they had NO chance at stopping it. But when it becomes time to stick it to us and either pass liberal legislation or stop Conservative Bills,you can count on the repubs to do the wrong thing as a party and by design. 95% of the repub Party and legislators are fully onboard Obama's ( Rockefeller/Rotschild ) NWO agenda. Both political parties are working together to destroy Our Republic from the inside. If you check out Grassley on Firearms legislation,he not only would like to Ban many Firearms,but also knives. We need a new Party and we need it now!
I disagree. I think Senator Grassley has an excellent voting record. You can always find some point of disagreement with anyone's voting record, but overall, I think his is a good one.
Your main concern seems to be his position on gun control. This might interest you:
Voted YES on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004) -
Voted NO on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Voted YES on loosening license & background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
National cross-state standard for concealed carry. (Jan 2009)
Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Aug 2010)
Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)
Apply concealed carry permit to all other states where legal. (Feb 2009)
Dangerousness, not mental incompetence, limits gun rights. (Mar 2009)
As for Rubio, I am not that familiar with the man, but he is in favor of Amnesty, that is for sure. I don't like the talk of him being a presidential candidate, either. Just like Obama, he does not meet the requirements for the office.
As for their personal reasons for voting against this recent bill, I have no idea. I would hope they voted their conscience, but only time will tell.
This legislation would not raise rates on anyone. They had already been raised at midnight. It would have simply cut taxes for most people. The "fiscal cliff" is a complete farce perpetrated by both parties. The problem is spending, and the GOP controls the purse strings. If they want to cut spending they can do it all by themselves. But they want to spend more, hence the kabuki dance.
Wow, this was TRULY a bipartisan Senate consensus, as illustrated by the fact that the Nay votes were almost evenly split between the two parties. I hope the House does the responsible thing and brings this bill up to a vote without inserting any "poison pill amendments."
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