According to most people who had eyes to see and ears to hear, one of the more obvious conclusions to be drawn from last night’s GOP Primary Debate in Arizona was that Ron Paul’s Revolution is now solidly in the Mitt Romney camp.

This 5 minute video details the many attacks Ron Paul makes on Santorum, and the missed opportunities that he had to slam Romney for the same, if not worse, offenses. So what gives, Paul?

Some are conjecturing that he traded his allegiance for a greater voice in the party for him and Rand Paul, or maybe a Vice President slot for either. Or, if you’re really into conspiracy theories, maybe he’s helping drag out the primary process in order to ensure a brokered convention, where his secret delegates will usher in a new age of Ron Paul Revolution?

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  • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie

    Listening to Levin now….. he nailed it exactly, although he backed it up with some history I wasn’t aware of. Paul supporters will vote for Romney to hurt conservatives…..worst case scenario is that they help collapse things to bring about the anarchy.

    After hearing so many Paul supporters claim that they do not want the country to collapse, I wonder where they stand now. Also, I would like to add that I take back that I said I would vote for Paul over Mittens…… I wouldn’t vote for either now.

    • mjs_pa

      I think your analysis is spot on. Many of RP supporters are anarchist.

      Ron Paul himself has made it clear with recent remarks that he hates social conservatives, and he would like nothing better than to be able to blame them for losses this fall and the collapse of the party.

      For those who aren’t anarchist, I hope they wake up and realize that Paul has sold them down the river.

      • stage9

        I am glad that Levin and others are beginning to see the anarchist connection. OWS DesMoines supports Paul, and why shouldn’t they, occupiers are associated with the American nazi Party, the Communist Party USA and of course anarchists, who share many of Paul’s values.

        Exclusive: OccupyDesMoines Protesters Express Support For Ron Paul, January 2, 2012 at 5:45 pm
        http://www.breitbart.tv/occupydesmoines-protesters-express-support-for-ron-paul/

        Occupy Wall Street’s anarchist roots, David Graeber, 30 Nov 2011 07:06 http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2011/11/2011112872835904508.html

      • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie

        Thank you, but it’s not entirely my analysis since Levin did an awesome job making the argument and then supporting it with plenty of evidence that there is no doubt in my mind now.

    • ApplePie101

      Talk about unhinged, here’s Ron Paul in 1988 on the Morton Downey Jr. Show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCxDrfs4GtM. He has learned nothing over the past 24 years.

      • TPDanbo

        At least Ron Paul’s consistent, consistently Wacko. LOL!

    • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

      When I heard Levin talking about this earlier, my immediate thought also went to the story Scoop posted a couple of times about people questioning Santorum’s “concern” over the Tea Party. He gets it. He’s concerned because he knows many of the “out there” libertarians (not all!) are more aligned with anarchists, and THAT is what he was worried about creeping into the Conservative and Tea Party.

      • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

        Yea, you could be right. I’m still not entirely sure that is what Santorum meant. It was an oddly-formed sentence, as I recall, that could be parsed two different ways.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Did you see the last post Scoop did on it, which had the transcripts of the whole conversation? It really does sound like he was worried about libertarians coming into the Tea Party… http://www.therightscoop.com/definitive-proof-santorum-does-not-have-concerns-about-the-tea-party/

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

            You’re right. I don’t think I understood the libertarian underpinnings entirely until Levin did his expose tonight and I started digging around. Also the article that Stage9 posted below does a great job of explaining it. I get it now.

          • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

            Funny thing is that an RPer in our local tea party recently told me that the TP was started by the RP supporters and has been co-opted and infiltrated by the neo-cons!

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              I’ve heard that as well. It could be true, as not all ron paul followers are nuts, many are smart and only want smaller government and less intrusion as what the Tea Partiers want. So, it woudn’t surprise me if some of the groups were started by them.

            • Iloveliberty71

              On December 16, 2007, Ron Paul supporters commemorated the original Tea Party in 1773 by raising over $6 million in one day. This event took place long before Rick Santelli’s rant in 2009 or any other event commonly associated with the origins of the Tea Party movement.

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie

            I’ll disagree with you on this one-

            I really do think there needs to be a more libertarian influence on conservatism. Santorum does remind me too much of the neo-con influence of recent times, but I would take him over Mitt any day, and with regards to Newt, I still don’t know.

            My religious side wants me to give Santorum a chance because of the Bible’s teachings (specifically, I paraphrase, “A bad tree can not yield good fruit”). However, Newt, deserves forgiveness. I’ve posted a few times, and I really am conflicted, which is why I will support either of them, although I feel Newt has a better grasp of what is Constitutional governance.

            • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

              I agree Ozzie. I like Rick because of his strong faith, and because he seems like a real down to earth type. Remember, back when John ketchup boy Kerry was running against GW, and one of the questions was, who could you see yourself comfortable being around at a BBQ. I’ve always thought about that, and it’s actually a good question, because some folks are so high and mighty, or like dear leader and michellantoinette, you could never relate to them. I can relate to the Santorums, and actually see myself comfortable around them. I like Newt, but I’d feel like a moron if I was in his company, and don’t get me started on mittens or Paul.
              Anyway, sorry LOL. I do agree, that we do need some of that smaller government libertarianism, and no more government programs or whatever. Santorum’s not perfect, and I like the way he admits his mistakes. Newt’s not perfect either, but he’s so intelligent, it’s hard to tell sometimes ;-) If either one of these two are it, I can rest easily on that.

              • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie

                I don’t remember that BBQ question, but I actually recently addressed a point similar to this. A lot of liberals call Bush a liar, but no matter what they say, my gut tells me that the man and his faith were honest. Whether or not there is any truth to his advisors puppeteering him, I do not know, but I feel that I know that Bush Jr. (Bush Sr. I would never trust) had real faith, and it may have led him to be too generous to others. Anyways, the point is that I felt like Bush was a real American in the sense of the word, much like the feeling I get from listening to Reagan’s speeches. You just don’t get that from liberals…..maybe never.

                Santorum would be the guy that I trust with my family, Newt would be the guy that I trust as my guard dog. I’ve stated before that I think we need a pit bull, even though there is a risk with pit bulls, but I will gladly support either. The source of my conflict is whether or not I should overlook Newt’s shortcomings. We all have them, and I am not capable of judging whether or not he’s truly found the Lord. I don’t want to have to pick, but if I had to, I would choose Santorum and let the chips fall where they may. He has always been a man of faith, and that is important to me, especially when the left is trying so hard to destroy it.

            • Sober_Thinking

              Good post.

      • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie

        That’s actually very interesting!

        It seems that there is a possibility that the OWS tried to infiltrate the tea party early on and they were rejected (mostly)- I know this place has sort of dismissed Beck a little (there are a bunch of mixed feelings on this one), but he also alerted conservatives and gave some good advice to watch for infiltrates by watching who we associate with.

        Lots to think about here-

        On another note: I just ordered both of Levin’s latest books and hopefully he is a good writer so that I don’t put the book down before I absorb the information.

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

          You won’t be disappointed by Levin’s books. Well, I haven’t read the new one yet, but his last book was not slapped together by committee like the other person you mentioned in your post. :-)

          We do have some libertarian types in our local TP as well… but I could not see them at OWS. They are more the GB variety.

          • http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie

            Most political books have turned out to be garbage- maybe it’s because I find scientific books more interesting, but:

            I’ve never finished a Coulter, Hannity, or Dick Morris book— but I still have as my favorite an unlikely Dinesh D’souza book.

            • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

              Levin is different. At least the last one. Well footnoted. I found it to be educational.

            • Patriot077

              Ozzie, even though I recall the first pages of Liberty or Tyranny to be dry as dust, I found there were no wasted words. As I continued to read I understood that it was necessary to set the table before the meal could be served. And what a meal it is!

              Please, please keep reading. You will find that Mark Levin writings do not include fluff. No unnecessary words, well written and easily understood. I am a big reader but I rarely buy multiple copies of books as I did with Liberty or Tyranny. I pass them to others and ask that they do the same. It should be required reading in our schools.

              His new book, Ameritopia, is also very good but requires slow and thoughtful consideration for me to understand. I’m not finished with it yet but will probably end up buying additional copies to give away in the hopes that more people will understand what they are about to give away.

    • EchoMike

      I’ve been saying these two were in Kahoots (spelling????) since Iowa, and verytime I did I was scolded by Paul supporters for impuning the man’s impecible integrity. A deal has been made, and Ron Pal has sold all his drone supporters down the river.

    • Sober_Thinking

      Assuming that’s true… how are they any better than what Van Jones is trying to do with OWS?

      I agree that the two parties are both corrupt and that a serious change needs to occur… but I was hoping to do it with a new party: The Tea Party.

  • RPercifield

    Right now Paul has two choices, retire or cut a deal. He likes hearing himself talk, and no one will listen to him as a retired Representative. So he really has only one choice, get in bed with Romney. It helps him in so many ways, and is not out of character for him as well, just look at the pork he got for his district in earmarks. It’s funny how that rationalization works for him.

    • http://twitter.com/strngernfiction strangernfiction

      Romney supporters love the some rationalization.

  • keyesforpres

    Yup mjs_pa many Paul supporters are anarchists and they are like Paul:

    They love the Constitution, but hate America. I have NEVER heard Paul say anything good about this great nation. He sickens me.

    • Paula4Palin

      How can one love the Constitution, but hate America? I don’t get it.

      • stage9

        Exhibit A:
        Libertarianism: Marxism of the Right
        http://www.theamericanconservative.com/article/2005/mar/14/00017/

        • mjs_pa

          Excellent opinion piece. I used to follow The American Conservative regularly, but then it went very much libertarian. (I see your link is from 2005)

        • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/2GR77FIJZ2A2ZBKZFGRXYG7QY4 kim

          That was very informative. Thanks for sharing. Interesting that they ended up going more libertarian!

        • George Stuart

          Interesting and good article. Thanks for sharing. However, I think it misses the mark. It seems to try to make the case that libertarians reduce everything to economic value and that all choices are equally Good (as long as the individual is free to choose). But a libertarian worth his salt would surely acknowledge the existence of Natural Law, and from that draw the conclusion that some choices are Good while others are Evil or Bad. Some choices will benefit life and society, others will destroy it. For me, the key difference (and danger) in not letting people make Bad decisions is the alternative — which is to let some “wise” ruler make those choices. Since both the “wise” ruler and the individual poor decision maker are human, there will be mistakes. The question becomes, where are the mistakes least harmful overall — and the libertarian believes more harm will come from the “wise” ruler.

          Also, the article’s section discussing limiting freedom today for more freedom tomorrow was a bit strange to me. I think he may have been trying to say that Liberty is not the same as License — our founders would certainly have felt that real Liberty requires adherence to the Law (whether the Law is codified or not).

          I currently am in Santorum’s camp, but I fear that any of them will not fight for what needs to be done (REAL spending cuts for instance). As for RP, I think he would fight for those, but his failure to see that International Law is de facto upheld by a strong United States military infuriates me to no end.

      • mjs_pa

        I would suggest that’s why he never quotes the “Why” of America: The Declaration of Independence.

        Santorum always puts The Constitution in the context of The Declaration of Independence, and paul despises him for it.

      • http://www.soopermexican.com Soopermexican

        It’s very much like liberalism – they love the “idealized” version of America. The Libertarian Ron Paulbots love the rightwing utopia, and the leftists love their commie leftwing utopia. Listen to a Paulbot and they’ll tell you how Ron Paul is brighter than the founders because they immediately fell short of the Constitution after instituting it. A real conservative vision deals with America as it is, and loves her for what she is, while striving to make her better.

        • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

          Well said soopermexican.

      • keyesforpres

        I don’t get it either.
        All I can say is I have never heard him say anything good about this country. Have you?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

    this alliance might backfire on him and his son.

    • http://twitter.com/strngernfiction strangernfiction

      And on Romney as well.

    • cain999

      I hope so, I will not vote for Romney/Rand Paul ticket!

  • http://littlebytesnews.blogspot.com littlebytes

    #tcot #prolife #jcot #Fake @RonPaul claims to oppose ALL foreign aid, but voted to continue U.S. payments of $550M to… http://t.co/uQoG1zWj <have you seen this??

  • mjs_pa

    some good news for Santorum on the polling front:

    PPP Polling tweets:

    Santorum up big on first night of our Wisconsin poll, suggests debate at least didn’t hurt him nationally

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

    thanks for your video sooper esp. at the 4:55 mark.

    “I respect the fact [Bush] put in place No Child Left Behind. I know a lot people in my party don’t like it, but I do like it. – Mitt “Flipper” Romney.

    I wish Rick could have slapped that right back in Mitt Romney’s face at last night’s debate

  • toongoon

    Gotta kiss a lotta a$$ to get your kid a VP job.

  • Susanna958

    So Paul and Romney are in cahoots. No big surprise since we now know that Soros people are colluding with Paul.

    • OldDan

      Susanna, where are the references that show Paul and Romney are in “cahoots”? I have seen none.

      • JimmyBleep

        There is none. This is another invention based on zero facts.

  • sjmom

    Though I never supported Ron Paul I did respect him; that is until now. At this point I don’t care why he is aligning himself with Romney this is sleaze beyond the pale.

    • sDee

      I share your sentiment. I have great respect for the Libertarians I worked with in our state 2010 elections. Paul like most shares those same core beliefs of limited government and the Constitution and has an amazingly faithful, committed base (minus the trolls).

      But this obliterates all. What a delusional fool. Romney will kick him to the curb.

    • OldDan

      I seriously doubt Paul is aligning himself with Romney. Paul despises all big government liberals masquerading as conservatives, such as Romney and Santorum. I suspect the reason he is going after Santorum more than the others is because Santorum is a sanctimonious jackass.

      • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

        So you say. Mittens is the biggest jerk in the race, but on him, Paul is quiet… why?

        • OldDan

          Frankly, I believe Santorum is the biggest jerk in the race. I know him better than the others because he was my senator, but that changes nothing. He is an arrogant jerk with more baggage than Imelda Marcos. He would lose in a landslide to Obama. Our only hope is No-Santorum.

          • http://profile.yahoo.com/VNYSALCJWXWHB4TV2AXW5VFYBU TJ

            I heard that Rick said after losing his last race in PA, he realized how arrogant he had become. He learned from it.

      • Asian_chic

        How do you explain the attacks on Bachmann, Perry, Cain and Newt?

    • demsaresatanic

      SJMOM — You are resorting to silly attacks on GOOD men! If you were able to draw a distinction between doing the honorable thing and following your own selfish interests you might understand.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    Yeah ru. There’s nothing about mittens that’s fake. What another putz. Yeah, I said it again.

  • grimjesse

    Not to be a ‘see I told you so’ kinda guy, but I noticed this back in Iowa and the debates there. Every debate, Paul would attack ANY Conservative that was threatening Romney. He attacked Perry, Bachmann and at the end of Iowa he spent big money to attack Gingrich ferociously, in unison with Romney. Time after time, Paul had a great opening to attack Romney and never took the opportuniy. Now that Santorum is up in the polls, he focuses on Santorum all of a sudden.
    Note that Romney is by far the most liberal, big Government guy of the bunch, the least Conservative, and Mr. Constitution Ron Paul makes an alliance with that?
    Ron Paul is a FAKE, he is a tool of the left, I’ve said that since Iowa. His followers are overwhelmingly Occupy Wall Street and “Anti-War” leftists (notice they don’t mind when Democrats have wars?), the ignorant, vulgar, Comedy Central college retard crowd. Pure leftists at heart no matter what they say. Notice the happy home racism and anti-semitism have in so many Ron Paul supporters? Same as the Occupy and anti-war movements. Ron Paul has much more in common with Dennis Kucinich or Cindy Sheehan than any Conservative.

  • carolt2

    I have noticed this for months. I can’t remember where I read that Romney and Paul were friends. It must come with the territory of running for POTUS every four years. I think I read of their friendship in National Journal emails.
    Romney must want Paul’s loyal followers and his endorsement, he’s promised something big to him, either Rand for VP or something else Paul wants.

  • OldDan

    I did not seen a single incident of Paul protecting Romney in the video. All I saw was Paul exposing Santorum’s big government, social liberal voting record. Santorum was my senator, and he is definitely a big government liberal, and an arrogant one at that.

    • http://twitter.com/strngernfiction strangernfiction

      Now he’s a social liberal too?

      • OldDan

        Santorum voted for No Child Left Behind, to fund Planned Parenthood, for Medicare Part B, against defunding the National Endowment for the Arts, against the National Right to Work Act, for federal child care funding, for funding the Jobs Corps, twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a “secure storage or safety device” (whatever that is), for federal funding of anti-gun education in public schools, to give SSI benefits to non-citizens, to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs, to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize (the boondoggle called) Amtrak, for low income heating assistance, to increase spending for the Department of Education, and on and on . . . I consider those votes to be “social liberal”. Don’t you?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/VNYSALCJWXWHB4TV2AXW5VFYBU TJ

          He said he made a mistake voting for No Child Left Behind. He regrets that vote.

          The funding to Planned Parenthood, according to
          http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/03/santorum-paul-compete-to-prove-pro-life-credentials/
          - the money was not supposed to go to funding abortions and Rick stated if president, he wants to not allow any funds to planned parenthood at all.

          This link gives strong pro-life record info: http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/21/paul-ad-makes-it-appears-santorum-suppots-planned-parenthood/

          He has an A+ rating with the NRA.

          He did vote for Medicare part D, prescription coverage for the elderly and disabled. But he also has spoken of not being afraid to tackle entitlements which is the majority of today’s Congressional budget.

          This gives a record of Rick’s stances and votes on illegal immigrants:
          http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Rick_Santorum_Immigration.htm

          • OldDan

            Santorum’s defense of the Planned Parenthood funding is exactly as you said: the funds were not supposed to be used to fund abortion. But by providing funds for non-abortion-related projects, other funds were freed-up resulting in back-door funding for abortion. That is a typical liberal trick–providing back-door funding. Santorum is either too dense to recognize that fact, or he is too shady to admit he was wrong. Either way, he is not qualified to be president.

            Medicare Part D is an unfunded entitlement. Is voting for this entitlement his idea of not being afraid to tackle entitlements? Think wolf, sheep, clothing . . .

            The Club for Growth stated, “on balance, Santorum’s record in congress is generally one of favoring bigger government and more spending – not atypical during the Bush years where Santorum served in Senate leadership.” I guess Santorum “took one for the team”, like he said in the last debate. The question is, which team?

            http://www.clubforgrowth.org/news/?subsec=7&id=1007&v=pr

            The following is a Red State article on Santorum’s “Big Government Conservatism” (which is a fancy name for fiscal liberalism).

            http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/09/what-a-big-government-conservative-looks-like-2/

            Santorum has a B- rating with Gun Owners of America which has a more strict constructionist policy regarding the 2nd Amendment than the NRA. In the Red State article you can find links to some of Santorum’s anti-gun votes.

            • http://profile.yahoo.com/VNYSALCJWXWHB4TV2AXW5VFYBU TJ

              Please take a few moments to read this:
              http://www.lifenews.com/2012/02/21/paul-ad-makes-it-appears-santorum-suppots-planned-parenthood/
              I believe you mentioned in your previous post that he voted to increase taxes on tobacco to help fund part D of Medicare.

              Please look at this article showing an A- rating on Santorum’s taxing and spending record: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/was-santorum-senate-spendthrift_629850.html

              I have seen you are for Newt Gingrich, who would have been my choice had Rick Santorum dropped out. However, Gingrich would have some issues boldly contrasting with Obama with his long-time support of an individual health care mandate (I know it was first suggested by the National Heritage Foundation to counteract Hilarycare)… but Newt stuck with it for many years. Government mandating medical insurance is not very popular with a lot of conservatives. Other issues include cap and trade history, history of supporting the Wallstreet bailouts, and though repentant, his marital infidelity history is of concern for someone who would be the leader of the country for many people.

              • OldDan

                In the first article, it reads, “. . . Santorum voted for funding for Title X family planning efforts. . .”. Since when did the constitution authorize the federal government to be involved in “family planning”. The article continues, “. . . he has opposed funding the Planned Parenthood abortion business, funding abortions with taxpayer funds and has joined the effort to revoke all funding for Planned Parenthood via Title X.”

                Is Santorum so ignorant that he did not realize that providing “family planning” funds to Planned Parenthood released other funds to provided back-door funding for abortion?

                In the second article where it quotes the NTU ratings, my question is, how can a senator who voted for a massive entitlement, voted to increase the size of the Dept of Education, voted for “family planning” funding, etc., have a rating of A-? I can only assume that the NTU is not a reliable rating agency. The Club for Growth paints an entirely different picture of Santorum.

                So, who do we believe? I have an advantage over you because Santorum was my senator in PA. I do not trust him. He is way too arrogant for my blood.

                • http://profile.yahoo.com/VNYSALCJWXWHB4TV2AXW5VFYBU TJ

                  Please read to the end, where it shows vote after vote against abortion. Rick Santorum has taken a lot of heat for taking the right stand that abortion is not right under any circumstances. If he didn’t believe what he says, it would be more politically expedient for him to not take such a principled stand when he is trying to become president.

                  I guess it shows how bad the rest of the field was that his tax and spending was rated so far above most of his peers. He is obviously not in favor of abortion if you look at his record on the whole and the many 100 percent ratings he was given by the National Right to Life. How does Gingrich stack up on the same type of vote? I come originally from California, so Santorum’s pro-life record as a Senator looks tons better than the garbage votes of Boxer and Feinstein.

                  It was refreshing to hear that Rick Santorum confessed he learned how arrogant he had become when he lost his last Senate race. I wonder how many politicians would ever publically do the same, given the same circumstance? I believe on the debate stage, all of the Republican candidates have demonstrated some arrogance up there. I recently read about Gingrich’s claim to have balanced the budget for four consecutive years, the most in your lifetime (or something like that) that two of those years, Gingrich was no longer in Congress.

                  I hope that if Santorum does become our nominee, you would be willing to vote for him. I know if Gingrich were the nominee, I would be willing to vote for him, though I have cast my primary vote for my first choice, Santorum here in TN in early voting.

    • stage9

      Wow. A liberal voting record?? Santorum is as far from being a liberal as you can get!

      Paul on the other hand exposed himself as being a libertarian radical…AGAIN!

      And might I remind you that it wasn’t Santorum’s voting record or No Child Left Behnd that got us in this economic mess. You can lay that at the feet of liberals and Obamney, the co-conspirator behind ObamaCare!

      Who supports Ron Paul? Radicals of course!

      M u s l i m s agree with Paul. M u s l i mVoterOnPaul . com:
      “Brothers and Sisters, please vote for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries. It’s our obligation to come together and try to stand up for not only our best interests, but the best interests of the entire U m m a h.”(9)

      Democrat supporter Barry Manilow supported Ron Paul in 08.(10) Paul also had connections with Sandy Sheehan’s Congressional campaign, Howard Dean’s “Democracy for America”, and “The Barnes Review” which is a Holocaust-denier magazine founded by Willis Carto.(11) He also was given in 08 a $500 donation from w h i t e s u p r e m a c i s t Stormfront . org founder Don B l a c k(12) which Paul supporters shrugged off as nothing peculiar(13).

      Breitbat . tv also reports that OCCUPY DESMOINES supports Paul!(14) And why shouldn’t they, occupiers are associated with the American n a z i Party, the Communist Party USA and of course anarchists, who share many of Paul’s values.(15)

      The Nevada brothel, “Bunny Ranch”, is leading a campaign called “P i m p i n for Paul”, where male clients can donate money to the Paul Campaign.(16)

      (references provided upon request)

      • OldDan

        I know Rick Santorm (he was one of my two sorry Senators during the Bush administraion), and he has a very liberal voting record. No Child Left Behind was only a small part. I noticed you ignored the other things in the list.

        BTW, How is Paul a liberterian radical? How is he radical anything? Show me where he strays from the Constitution. I’ll bet you cannot.

        Frankly, if Paul was a little more anti-muslim, I would vote for him in a heartbeat. One part of the constitution where I believe he has it wrong is his belief in absolute “freedom of religion”. No “religious” organization should be allowed to exist in our nation whose sole purpose is to undermine our constitution and religious freedom.

        Paul uses George Washington statements as his reason for opposing permanent foreign alliances. Yet, he tends to ignore what Washington said in his Farewell Address about religion: “With slight shades of difference, you have the same Religeon, Manners, Habits & political Principles.” I seriously doubt that Washington would consider Islam a “slight shade of difference”.

        Regarding your “guilty by association” arguments, is that not a leftist trick?

        Are you implying all Ron Paul supporters are radicals?

        Are all Rick Santorum supporters squeaky clean conservatives?

        • http://profile.yahoo.com/VNYSALCJWXWHB4TV2AXW5VFYBU TJ

          Ron Paul ignores the principles the constitution was based on. Ron Paul seems to feel states’ rights trump the Gospel, which includes the definition of marriage (those who reject it reject their Creator) and the God-given right to life. There is a higher law than the will of the majority in each state- God’s. And those who reject Him should not have the right, even if it is the will of a state’s majority, to take the lives of unborn children or to force their false definition of marriage on people of conscience and Biblical conviction.

          Here are some constitution ratifiers’ thoughts:

          Benjamin Rush
          Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

          “The gospel of Jesus Christ prescribes the wisest rules for just conduct in every situation of life. Happy they who are enabled to obey them in all situations!”
          –The Autobiography of Benjamin Rush, pp. 165-166.

          Patrick Henry
          Ratifier of the U.S. Constitution

          “It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”
          –The Trumpet Voice of Freedom: Patrick Henry of Virginia, p. iii.

          • OldDan

            Currently the power of the federal government enforces the “right” of a female to have an abortion in every state. Paul’s idea that we follow the constitution and return that power to the states is definitely a step in the right direction.

  • SurfinCowboy

    Enjoyed the Levin tonight as well, he did a good job of pointing to the “paleolibertarian” roots of Rothbard and his ilk. Mark also made it a point that he was not painting all Libertarians with this accusation.

    As a Libertarian who knew about CATO’s expulsion of Rothbard years ago, Reason Magazines exposing the writings on Ron Paul’s letters long ago (2008), and Lew Rockwell’s LvMI, I would like to remind everyone that there are plenty of us Libertarians who are not of this anarchistic camp of Neo-Confederates.

    I am enjoying my discovery of this site a week or so ago and it has become one of my most-visited sites. I would appreciate if the Libertarian-bashing was saved for those that deserve it. I don’t paint all Republicans as RINOs just because some exist. I never supported Ron Paul, nor this obtuse branch of Libertarianism.

    Color me a Conservative Libertarian. I still have hopes for Santorum, but I feel that if confronted with a Conservative, the Republican establishment with assistance from the “Paul-bots” (really have been enjoying that name for months!..) would sabotage him and allow the current President to win rather than allow Conservatism to rise. There is a desire of many for the Bureau to grow… the bureaucracy that is…

    It seems we have to watch this. There is a footpad in our midst. This would make for a great political-thriller if it was not so serious and frightening.

    Perhaps I am overreacting. I sure hope so.

    • B-Funk

      Welcome! ^_^

    • OldDan

      Forget about Santorum. He cannot win the general. Newt is the only true conservative left (according to Rick Perry), and he can win the general. Further, Newt will take back our country from the 5 unelected lawyers who currently control our nation.

      • SurfinCowboy

        Speaker Gingrich would be great too, heck bring back Governor Perry – or Cain for that manner! Since I now live in California (ugh) I won’t have much of a say until quite late – and Governor Romney has a decent lock on this state.

        If Romney wins, I go orange-juice can (haha) and vote for him over President Obama any day.

    • OldDan

      Out of curiosity, I Googled “paleolibertarianism” and came up with these links:

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/paleolibertarians/
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolibertarianism
      http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Paleolibertarian

      As an anti-federalist, I have some commonality with their philosophy, or at least that which I read in the links. I am still not quite sure what it means.

      I noticed in the links that Thomas DiLorenzo is considered a paleolibertarian. I heard him speak quite a few years back at Gettysburg, and I have to admit he was a very good speaker. He made some remarkable statements about Lincoln–things I had never heard before.

      Well, my inquisitive mind got the best of me so I researched every thing I could find about Lincoln. I now believe that Dilorenzo is right: that Lincoln is not the hero we have been led to believe. Rather, he was a Hamiltonian, much like modern-day, big-government progressives, and he was one of the chief culprits in leading our nation down the road to progressivism.

      Any of that sound familiar to you?

      • SurfinCowboy

        Well, when discussing Lincoln’s unconstitutional behavior with my professor years ago he pointed out to me that Lincoln did what he did to save the Union and that, in effect, the People had a choice to either “fire” him, or re-elect him. When they chose to re-elect him the People, in a sense, endorsed the behavior as necessary. He also pointed out to me that Lincoln, knowing he had no Constitutional power to outright mandate the freeing of the slaves, had to put more and more pressure on those States that engaged in slavery to either give up the practice, or succeed. For, in succession, Lincoln could argue that it was an act of sedition and then use the Executive powers under war to subdue the Southern States and gain the freedom of the slaves, as the Amendments easily passed through the rearranged Congress after the war. Legal? No. But there is something to be said of the People approving of an illegal act. For is the act’s illegality not the taking of the People’s power? If the people approve…. (I know, it is a strange argument, but I don’t want to ramble forever on this – I have a habit of typing too much) Finally, as far as the growth of the Federal Government under Lincoln, the size of the FG shrank back down after the war to a size only slightly larger than before. It is not until the 1900s when the real serious infringement of State power by the Federal powers occurs – driven through in large part by the 17th Amendment, the SCOTUS, and the growing belief in Hegelian-influenced and Progressive thought.

        As far as anti-Federalist feelings (which is funny, because the term “Federalist” was claimed by those that had less of a truly federalist government in mind than those that became known as “Anti-Federalists”. Recall that the Bill of Rights, the Amendments, especially the 9th and 10th, were demands from the “Anti-Federalists” because they feared that the government created by the “Federalists” would become too powerful and take away the rights of the States and the People. [Ya' think?] Also the idea of a bicameral legislative branch was part of a compromise between the two ideas. Madison and Wilson were yearning for one chamber that represented the People, where Paterson and Martin wanted the chamber to represent the States. A compromise [the "Great Compromise"] was proffered by Franklin and Johnson to have a the Legislature be bicameral) I agree with those feelings as far as the Anti-Federalists of 1787 go, but too often the term “Anti-Federalist” is brought up as an argument for Southern Succession, which I disagree with.

        Many of the arguments you find in paleolibertarianism and anti-federalism are not necessarily poor arguments, rather they can be quite good. It is the behavior of those who cloaked themselves in such ideological rhetoric that bothered me. William F. Buckley, Cato Institute, and others have been bothered by the anarchistic-leaning, sometimes racially-charged absolutists stance by Rockwell and Rothbard, among others.

        In yesterday’s show Mark Levin made a comment when discussing a soundbyte of Ron Paul, I cannot recall it exactly, but it was something along the lines of, “some of the things he says are very good, but then he goes all goofy” or something like that. In similar ways have Rockwell, Rothbard, and as we are seeing possibly Paul, have used the words to disguise the intended actions.

        Now I have babbled too much. ;) I do so enjoy that the subjects I fell in love with as a student – Classic Liberalism, the founding, Locke, Cicero, Montesquieu, Burke, etc. – have in the past three years entered the public discourse in a way I never thought would happen. I used to only be able to talk about these things with other students in class or my professors. Now I hear people asking whether or not something is allowed under “The Constitution”, whether a branch “has a Constitutional right” to do something, and some guy (Levin) I found not only entertaining, but intellectually engaging has written a book on, of all things, Political Philosophy?!? I have hope again, and will speak of freedom and liberty and the reasons for it loudly.

        Next month I get to get Mark’s signature and thank him in person for bringing such an important subject to the minds of so many folks. It thrills me to hear callers talking to him about what they are learning from the great minds of liberty.

        Gads – I have to stop!! Haha.

      • K-Bob

        Yeah, it does. It’s pretty much why I stopped liking the libertarian writers. Once they decided to demonize Lincoln as a tyrant I realized they were not worth my time anymore.

        • JimmyBleep

          This is one of my top beefs with libertarians as well. There is no system that works in its purest format. Nothing in this world is perfect, not even our Constitution. It is brilliant and it gave birth to one of the greatest countries in the history of the world, but at certain times, it must be ignored for the greater good (or continuation of) the country.

          It sounds like a cop-out and words of someone without conviction to the ears of a libertarian but this is why Ron Paul cannot become a front runner. I think Rand understands this. He doesn’t seem to be as much of a purest as his father. Let’s face it, if Ron changed his foreign policy and curbed some of the more extreme libertarian pieces of his vision, he would be a great candidate.

          • SurfinCowboy

            I have thought that absolutism, or being a “purist”, in many political beliefs is tough if not impossible to do. Nothing, as you say, works in its purest form. It is one of the signals you hear from certain Paul supporters that alert you to a dangerous thinker.

            Anyone, ANYONE who will not support the candidate that comes out from this process just because it is not “theirs” is worshiping a false ideology – in my opinion. How can any of these four be less appealing than the current President?

            Agree with you JB on your final sentence too… :)

          • K-Bob

            Yes, he would!

        • OldDan

          I believe Lincoln was a tyrant. Lincoln was a Hamiltonian, and Hamiltonians have, at their core, a belief in centralized government, crony capitalism, and, in general, progressivism. Progressivism, by definition, is tyranny since to implement it requires the assumption of unauthorized powers.

          The States entered into a voluntary compact to create a federal government with limited powers. There was never a hint that a state could not secede if the federal government violated the compact. Yet, Lincoln, who routinely name-dropped the Declaration of Independence, completely ignored the parts where it read, “deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” and “it is the right of the people . . . to institute new government”. It was not just their “right”, but their “duty”.

          Lincoln’s form of “Union” was similar to the forced union of the USSR, not the voluntary union envisioned by the founders (all the founders except Hamilton, that is).

          Did you ever wonder why so many leftists, like Doris Kearns Goodwin and even Barrack Obama, idolize or glorify Lincoln? One would think they would despise him since he was an admitted White Supremacist (and a “Republican”?). The only conclusion I can reach is they choose to ignore his racist ideology because he was a hard-core progressive.

          • SurfinCowboy

            Uh.. not with you on this.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.masiwchuk David Scott Masiwchuk

            The confederate states are gone you and Paul need to get over it.

            • OldDan

              I’m a Newt supporter, thank you. The confederate states are still there–all of them. And I will never get over the deaths of 600k Americans when there could have been a peaceful solution (such as following the constitution).

          • K-Bob

            Lincoln was a wartime President. I allow him his tough decisions without labeling him the same as we would those who operate under no such stress.

        • SurfinCowboy

          I feel you should say “some libertarian writers”, or better yet identify the ones you don’t agree with. Lump-summing people (which is actually what I am victim of earlier in my put-down on paleolibertarians – who I assume are not all holding Rothbard/Rockwell opinions) is usually a mistake.

          I don’t look at Lincoln as a tyrant either, yet have heard the argument from a few who claim the libertarian badge. They are in the vast minority of Libertarians.

          • K-Bob

            You’re correct. I just didn’t add the qualifier.

    • Iloveliberty71

      How do you reconcile Santorum’s clearly un-libertarian ideology and voting record with your professed libertarianism? I am not saying you must support Ron Paul, but Santorum?? The one guy who has publically expressed distain for libertarian influence in this country?

      • SurfinCowboy

        Senator Santorum would not get a 100% rating as a Libertarian – but he would not get a 0% as an “un-libertarian” would. I can be a libertarian and find things that, as a whole, make me support someone who is not the “ordained” Libertarian choice.

        Santorum has expressed disdain for what I see as the Rep. Paul-style libertarian, which not all Libertarians are like. The MSM would love to put us in a box, but we are like many large groups of people – we have differences. I have to many important ones with Paul dating back to the LAST time he ran and earlier.

        We can all support someone that is not perfect. I supported Sen. McCain over then Sen. Obama. McCain did not fully represent my ideal candidate – but he did in one right, he was not Obama and had the greatest chance to win. Plus I lived in Nevada at that time, a State where my vote mattered for that election. Not so much here in California.

        I am, if anything, a “not-Romney” guy right now. My support for Santorum is only slightly higher than that of Gingrich, and earlier both Cain and Perry were ranked higher in my mind than Santorum or Gingrich.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JT6RK4NQME54FA3FVYTTHLTRTQ Southnsoul

    I have watched every debate and I have yet to see Ron Paul go after Mitt Romney on anything. He has attacked, Gingrich, Santorum, Perry, Bachmann, and Cain, but never Romney. And now I read that his son, Rand Paul has said that if asked, he would be “honored” to be Romney’s VP. I believe they are working together, behind the scenes.

    • Iloveliberty71

      Stop and think about this for a minute. A little over a year ago, Rand Paul was an opthamologist in Kentucky. Now, his name is mentioned as a possible vice presidential nominee. Of course he is honored. It has nothing to do with Romney. Even people who have been in politics their entire lives are honored to be mentioned as a potential VP candidate. You would be too.

      • SurfinCowboy

        Totally agree with that. I would be honored too. (And very surprised!)

    • JimmyBleep

      I”ve watched about 14 or 15 debates and have seen Ron beat up Mitt on several occasions. I like Ron so I have been paying attention to him from the start.

      • SurfinCowboy

        I have seen it as well, JB – people seem to have forgotten it.

        Rep. Paul has great things to say. I am thrilled he has received so much attention and support. The MSM begrudgingly has to talk about his positions knowing that they appeal to many people they want to convince that Republicans are evil, etc, etc.

        I like Paul in there for sure, it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

  • PFFV

    Wow, that is amazing how Paul never went at Romney, not one single challenge. I wish Santorum would have noticed this at the time and said something but he probably was too busy defending himself. This video sure makes it obvious that Paul is a Romney supporter. I think Newt and Rick should start collaborating as well. I want Newt or Santorum as my Nominee. I think it’s so hypocritical of Paul to call Santorum “Fake” when the Plastic Man Romney is the most Fake candidate ever. He didn’t get the nickname Manikin for just any reason.

    • OldDan

      I believe if you “re-watch” all of the debates, you will find the reason Paul is going after Santorum so heavily is for “payback”. Santorum mocked Paul during some of the earlier debates. I knew at that time that Santorum made a crucial mistake. His only hope was to hide his voting record. Once he riled Paul it was only a matter of time that his voting record would be revealed.

      Frankly I am glad to see it. I don’t think Santorum has the integrity to lead our party.

    • JimmyBleep

      Paul didn’t challenge Newt. Newt didn’t challenge Paul or Rick. This proves nothing. Ron and Rick can have several disagreements in a debate. Rick is the front runner. That usually means you have the bullseye on you. Ron didn’t endorse any of Mitt’s positions and has in the past 19 debates beaten Mitt over the head. (verbally)

  • Boxofteabags

    For all his baggage it’s begining to look like Newts the cleanest one among them.

    • JimmyBleep

      That’s funny.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Dias/1680711668 Chris Dias

    Paul hasn’t been very good at moving any kind of legislation anywhere.

    • OldDan

      From what I have read, Ron Paul is a small-government politician. That doesn’t go over well with the establishment of either party. Look what happened after the Newt Revolution. As soon as the GOP regained power they went on a massive spending spree (with Santorum’s help, I might add).

      • JimmyBleep

        Funny how everyone laughed at Ron 4 years ago and now have a very similar platform today. They have to spin while he stays on the tracks. The guy actually is consistent.

  • http://black-avenger-1.livejournal.com/profile VirusX

    If anyone’s a fake, it’s Rumpelstiltskin. Such as how he likes to beat his chest about how he allegedly became responsible for Martin Luther King’s birthday becoming a national holiday. Then, there’s his claims of being a Conservative, when he made his hatred of Conservatives and Conservatism quite clear in his letter detailing why he left the GOP. And let’s not forget his complaints about the Invasion of Afghanistan, something he approved, himself, according to his own voting records. His complaints about abortion are really funny, considering he’s shown he’s supportive of child murder, ‘under the right circumstances’. If anybody’s a fake and a liar, its Rumpelstiltskin, ranging from his voting record, to his own hand written records on how much he hates blacks, Asians, Latinos, Jews and homosexuals, then had the audacity to pretend he didn’t know about any of that. Santorum deserved those slaps, because there was so much he could’ve beaten Rumpelstiltskin and the rest of his KKK’ing, Stormfronting paulnuts over the head with, but failed to do so.

  • JimmyBleep

    Everyone is trying to spin a bad debate performance. Santorum is the prime target because this is the first time he debates as the front runner. Did you see Paul target Newt at all? No. Does that mean he’s in league with Newt as well? Most of the conversation during these clips were when then were debating ear marks and talking about voting practices. Mitt never voted in Congress and so he was largely invisible during those talks. Rick and Ron kept targeting each other.

    And STOP with the VP garbage. Everytime, whether it’s TPaw, Chris Christie, or Rubio and now Paul and his son… Everyone is just looking for a VP spot? Ron Paul is NOT selling out to Romney for the same reason he won’t ever endorse Romney, because he has integrity. He was stressing that Rick doesn’t show integrity so some of the swing voters who have flocked to Rick might swing to him instead.

    • RosiesSeeingRed

      He targeted Newt when Newt was the threat. I’ve watched every debate, but I really can’t ever remember him taking Romney to task for anything, but it’s possible I just don’t remember. Could you link us to a few clips where he did? Maybe that would put the conspiracy theories to rest.

      • JimmyBleep

        I’m just working on memory. Ron was someone I took an interest to from the beginning and same with Mitt because he was my governor some years back. I was very interested in the two of them as well as Newt, Perry, and Huntsman. Now, Ron and Newt were the two guys no one wanted to tangle with from the start because of their knowledge base (in my opinion). So no one picked a fight with them, but I do remember Ron Paul giving Mitt some great shots early on. I remember hits on Romneycare specifically. I wish I could remember which debates this happened in. I’d have to comb through the old debates to find them.

        I agree with you that Ron targeted Newt when Newt was the threat. That was one of my points. He typically hits whoever the frontrunner is. I’d imagine it is because the front runner always has the greatest potential votes to lose. It is more worth while to snag 10% of Santorum’s votes than 10% of Newts votes at this point.

        I am thinking that Ron may have given some shots to Mitt recently too. Perhaps at the first “contraception” debate when Mitt and Stephenopolous went back and forth over states rights to ban contraception. I’ll try to do some digging this weekend.

  • Been_There_BT

    5 minutes of Ron Paul? No thanks, not even if it is to prove a point.

  • Arrrggghhh

    Ron Paul is an old man. His days, as well as the days of the Paultards, are numbered. He’s 76 now. An 80 year old man could never seriously run for President. Before he goes and crawls under a rock, he’s just basking in the adulation of his Paultard following. Thank God his days (in a political sense) are nearly over.

    • JimmyBleep

      Reagan was in office at 76.

      • Arrrggghhh

        He did not run at 80, which is what RP would be in 2016.

        • JimmyBleep

          Wasn’t Ronnie 79 when he left office? And RP would be 80? What’s the difference?

          • Arrrggghhh

            One.

        • Iloveliberty71

          Ron Paul isn’t going to run again after this.

          Keep in mind…with age comes wisdom.

          • Arrrggghhh

            I agree 100%. However, I also think it tends to peak in one’s 60′s or 70′s and usually begins to decline in the 80′s. The sweet spot is when the ego has faded but the mind is still sharp.

            Don’t get me wrong I love Ron Paul’s fiscal policy but when he starts teaming up with Mittens, that’s where I draw the line. I don’t love any of the remaining candidates but the two that I could live with are Gingrich or Santorum.

            • JimmyBleep

              He isn’t teaming up with Mitt. That’s a media invention.

              • Arrrggghhh

                I absolutely share your distrust of the media, but did you watch the debate? Did you watch the above clip? How can you ignore your own eyes and ears?

                • JimmyBleep

                  I actually watched the debate the day after it aired. I had the benefit of reading the headlines before watching and I still did not see it. I remember Santorum making his comment about team player, and Ron Paul got incensed. He started scribbling on his paper until the moderator came back to him. I knew he was going to hit Santorum hard when it came back to Ron. Ron and Rick have a long history between each other. They are polar opposites on Iran. In an early debate, Ron pretty much put down Rick’s life work with Iran and they got into it pretty hard. I think it was around September. These guys have had this anger with each other for a long time. Rick just happens to be the frontrunner now and therefore the moderator starts most of the topics with Rick instead of Newt or Mitt as we have been used to for the past month and a half.

  • Iloveliberty71

    Ron Paul’s stated goal is to position himself as the only true conservative alternative to Mitt Romney. To do that, he must first take on the others who would like to position themselves similarly. There really is nothing more to it. Many of you sound like the very conspiracy theorists you deride Paul supporters as.

    Now, let’s have a rational conversation about a hypothetical Ron Paul Presidency. Please keep Mr. Scoop’s comment policy in mind when posting.

    The day is January 20, 2013. Ron Paul has just been sworn in as the 45th President of the United States. Barack Obama is catching a train back to Chicago (you are welcome to shout with glee at this point). Now, what are you afraid will happen next? Before you answer, consider that Ron Paul takes his role as POTUS to be as defined in the Constitution, and nothing more. He has pledged not to legislate from the Oval Office (no Executive Orders). 20 seconds on the conservative clock…GO!

    • Arrrggghhh

      Do you really think that he is going to parlay his 2 electoral votes thus far into the nomination? He has yet to win a state. He has virtually no prospects of winning a state. Wake up and smell the coffee.

      It’s absolutely disgusting that he is helping Mittens. He should be ashamed of himself.

      • Iloveliberty71

        He has a LOT more than 2 electoral votes. FYI.

        • Arrrggghhh

          You’re right, I stand corrected. However, he has not won a state, nor does he seem likely to. Agree?

          I have no problem with him stating his case, but when he teams up with Mittens to bash Santorum, that’s just not right.

  • Barney_Paul_Fife

    Ron Paul is a little man with a Napoleon complex that is making a mockery of the primaries. His entire career has been wasted time in the Senate and he is now wasting time playing with the actual candidates just so he can seek adulation from his cult-like followers.

    • JimmyBleep

      Constitutionalism is a cult? What does that say about our country?

    • Iloveliberty71

      He had a 30 year career as a physician. He never served in the Senate. He has served in the House on three different occasions.

      • Barney_Paul_Fife

        Ok, time wasted in the House…

        • Iloveliberty71

          Voting on every bill he ever saw in accordance with the Constitution is a waste of time? I’d like all of our representatives in Congress to vote that way.

  • M_Minnesota

    Makes the Paul play to conservative evangleical christians (Who would like to repeal Rom Obamacare) all the more sinister

  • cain999

    Paul has no principles and has been the most negative besides Romney – he gets away with it b/c everyone thinks he’s senile (I cringe every time he speaks or rants rather) and should not be president!

    Can’t believe Paul would sellout to the GOP establishment!

  • Kordane

    Why should Ron Paul be “nice” to Conservatives? All they’ve ever done, even since before the Republican debates, is constantly attack him and his Libertarian ideals.

    I mean, if you have a problem with his foreign policy, OK. I have mega problems with it too. But you don’t see me going around spitting the kind of vile rhetoric that Conservatives do at Ron Paul on a seemingly regular basis.

    So what if he’s allied with Romney? It’s clearly a strategic move, but I would argue that it’s also the fact that Conservatives have treated Ron Paul so badly over the years that they’ve completely soiled upon any “good will” that he may have had for Conservatives.

    The bottom line is that you can’t spit in someone’s face for decades, and then expect them to be friendly to you. You’ve made your bed, so now lay in it.

    • jostvandyke

      Looks to me that Santorum and Romney are interchangeable

      • jostvandyke

        Santorum’s answers at the debate created a 4 minute attack AD on HIMSELF ! He said “COURAGE” Then said , He went along to get along on PP, on NCLB and then said “He took one for the team, instead of standing on principals ! Then he tried to create another GUBMENT program (Title 20) to offset the other entitlment program (title 10) that he voted for, against, for, against,for against ! this guy is a Big Government, big spending Lackey ! He also ripped the Tea Party and campaigned for the establishment candidate AGAINST Rand Paul in ky. He is PHONY !

        • Kordane

          “Taking one for the team” (rather than standing on principle), yet Conservatives say that one of Santorum’s greatest qualities is that he’s “principled”.

          Is Santorum principled or not principled?? So confusing…!!

  • stage9

    HEY RIGHT SCOOP, John Stossel a libertarian, and host on Fox News will be doing a segment on the benefits of legalizing prostitution. Can you post this video? It will expose one of the many the idiocies of libertarianism.

    THANKS!

    • Amy

      I caught the tail end of last night’s Stossel and the mention of drugs being illegal brought on a chorus of boo’s. I just don’t understand how they figure it will lessen the violence. The amount of pharmacy burglaries are on the rise as the use of prescription drugs is on the rise.

      Addiction will drive people to do desperate things – regardless of whether that drug is legal or not. And given that Libertarians don’t think the government should pay for anything, how do they figure drug addicts will get these drugs?

      It’s basically a ‘right wing’ utopia that they are looking for… It just doesn’t exist.

      • Iloveliberty71

        Addicts are sick people and should be treated as such. Incarcerating them does not deal with their addiction. Why don’t we incarcerate alcoholics? There are far more deaths associated with alcohol than drugs.

        • Amy

          We do, when they rob the liquor store for their booze or drink and drive. And who’s paying for the treatment? I’m actually asking, because I’ve yet to hear a viable solution. Every other country that has legalized drugs also buys their addicts their fix. If you are a heroin addict in Amsterdam, you can go to your government for your next hit. Are we going to buy them their drugs? That’s sure as haiti not going to shrink the government….

        • stage9

          LAWLESSNESS is NOT CONSTITUTIONAL.

          • Iloveliberty71

            Way to shout the obvious.

  • stage9

    HEY RIGHT SCOOP, John Stossel a libertarian, and host on Fox News will be doing a segment on the benefits of legalizing prostitution. Can you post this video? It will expose one of the many the idiocies of libertarianism.

    THANKS!

  • sara holy land

    People are not stupid.
    Anyone interested or hear, understand.
    Have you noticed that every time Paul assert a claim that he laughs out loud contempt…

    Cocky and arrogant !

  • sara holy land

    People are not stupid.
    Anyone interested or hear, understand.
    Have you noticed that every time Paul assert a claim that he laughs out loud contempt…

    Cocky and arrogant !

  • BMinPA

    The fact that Santorum often smiled and nodded approvingly at the blistering attacks by Paul and others didn’t help matters. It appeared as if he actually agreed with them. In fact, he probably did because of the many mea culpas later on.

    • PhillyCon

      What was he supposed to do in front of cameras? Go postal on him?

      Maybe Santorum is actually laughing at him …

  • cain999

    I’m sorry there was a Ron Paul ad which was supposed to be a Pro-Life ad, in which he talks about seeing a baby delivered alive being put in a bucket and left to die in the corner as the doctors and nurses ignored the baby’s cries, and he walks down the hall and sees this and decides he’s Pro-Life? DID HE TRY TO PICK UP THE CHILD AND HOLD IT, TEND TO IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THE CHILD LIVED? THAT HAS ALWAYS BOTHERED ME ABOUT HIM! HE BELIEVES THAT GOV’T SHOULD NOT INTERVENE, BUT SHOULD ANOTHER HUMAN BEING INTERVENE TO SAVE ANOTHER LIFE ESP A DOCTOR??

  • Trust1TG

    Santorum’s endorsement of Specter was not as bad as Ron Paul tries to make it.

    ROMNEY’S ENDORSEMENT OF SCOTT BROWN was a far worse endorsement with more disastrous effects:

    “So if it’s ok to go after Santorum for endorsing Specter, is it ok to go after Romney for endorsing Scott Brown?

    Romney was his chief supporter and was actually on stage for Brown’s victory speech where Brown gave him credit for his win.

    in the summer of 2010 Brown the 60th vote to break the filibuster of Dodd-Frank. He was the decisive vote.

    So, Romney is responsible for Dodd-Frank. Thanks.

    Brown also voted to break filibusters on DADT and the START treaty. Again, by his own logic, Romney is responsible for both of those as well.

    Hopefully one of the GOP candidates if not some in the conservative media start tying Brown to Romney and holding him responsible for some of Brown’s votes and the policies they’ve resulted in.” (comment at Legal Insurrection)

    Sadly, Specter has denied the Supreme Court Justice deal – the dirty rat. Guess he doesn’t want to admit he did any favors for the conservatives.

    http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/02/the-haunting-specter-of-arlen/

  • Trust1TG

    This whole debate was a media/political hit on Santorum by Paul>Romney>Soros.

    The questions, camera angles, everything was planned to take Santorum down and build up Romney. Even holding this debate in a Mormon town.

    Here’s an analysis of the Arizona set-up:
    “As for the CNN producers calling camera shots, did you notice how they made sure that whenever Santorum was speaking, er, defending himself, Ron Paul was always on screen, same shot, mugging and giggling and waving his hands around? Made them both look like fools. Well, made Santorum look like a fool – it just confirmed that Paul is a fool. I’ve usually been simply amused at Paul’s wackiness, but tonight I wanted to slap his ass off his stool. That clown would get us all killed.

    Also, whenever Romney or Paul managed to get a protracted round of applause and yahoos after an answer, King held back and let it play out, but whenever Santorum or Gingrich won a round of applause and yahoos King immediately cut it off by beginning his next question, often having to yell over the audience to do it.”

    The cancellations of the GA and CA debates were designed to silence Newt and prevent Newt from regaining in the polls. How could the ‘chosen one’ Romney deal with Newt’s home state advantage in GA and at the Reagan Library in CA.

    They even hinted that Arizona was the last debate. The last scheduled debate on March 19 in Oregon may be cancelled UNLESS precious Romney’s campaign needs a shot in the arm.

    • Linky1

      From a debate almost every week to no debates at all. Does not make sense, considering that the big primaries and caucuses are on the horizon.

      As for King moderating the debate-this is the whole problem with the media being in charge-they direct the tone of the debate and stage manage it to their liking, setting up the “gotcha” moments for the candidates they see as a threat.

      Gingrich has the right idea with the Lincoln-Douglas-style debates, not stage-managed by the liberal media.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.masiwchuk David Scott Masiwchuk

    Paul has decades of slight of hand…you just have to look at how he gets his pork to see his dishonest nature.I believe Paul is one of those who wants the south to rise and bring back a confederation.

  • Linky1

    I read the rumors of this unholy alliance before I saw the debate, so I watched Paul and Romney through a different lens.

    What I saw from Paul, sitting there at the end of the dais, was an expression of “the cat who swallowed the canary” smugness whenever an attack was directed toward Santorum.

    They say that politics makes strange bedfellows – this sure wouldn’t be the first such “strange” alliance.

    Read this on another blog and it makes more and more sense as you see Santorum’s rise and Romney’s motives being questioned more and more.

    “Remember, in “The Art of War” Sun Tzu said, “On intersecting ground, if you establish alliances you are safe, if you lose alliances you are in peril. Romney, a venture capitalist, and Paul, a free-market missionary, seem to be well aware of Sun Tzu’s advice.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/23/why-the-romney-paul-alliance-makes-sense/

  • muzzyskat

    What a riot watching the anti-Paul folks whip up conspiracy theories about Paul after accusing his followers for years of being conspiracy nuts from Mars.
    Ranger Rick has a grating personality to some and maybe Paul just doesn’t like the dude?And I say this as a non-Paul guy.

  • donald951

    Considering much Ron Paul’s goddess Ayn Rand hated Catholics (e.g., William F. Buckley Jr.) why would any Catholic support him?
    Ron Paul named his son “Rand” in worship of his goddess and left the Republican Party in the 1980s in protest of Buckley friend Ronald Reagan. Why isn’t that as big an issue as Santorum’s Catholicism?

  • cinderellafe

    Mitt Romney gives his laundry list but you can’t expect anyone to believe he governed as “severely conservative” because when he quit office to run for president for 6 years now, severely liberal Mass. did not change course. However, all the GHWB and GWB people have sailed right away from any loyalty to the Junior Senator from Penn., Rick Santorum and into SS Willard. Interesting, no? For all their years and machinations setting up the direction of governments to come, the beltway establishment see their ambitions realized in Mitt Romney. No money or endorsements for “team player” Rick who aggressively backed GWB’s call for Social Security reform allowing younger workers to own personal retirement accounts only to get played stepping into Carl Rove’s turd blossom of not rolling out a plan for several months.

    If you loved Bush’s status quo, you’ll *heart* Romney! “RomneyCare was a way to get disproportionate Medicaid dollars back in the state of Massachusetts and have all of you in Colorado pay for Mitt Romney’s experiment in Massachusetts, and he could say, ‘Well, I didn’t raise any taxes.’ Yeah he did, yours.” -Rick Santorum

    This all illustrates the power elite ensuring governance is always the same one party direction; policy decided long ago from masterminds who know better than you. Republicans get their foreign policy objectives while the Democrats get their domestic spending agenda, and America gets devalued — our cultural inheritance, currency and moral standing. See the U.K. then and now under Tory (!) David Cameron with his Obama approved Anita “My heroes are Mao and Mother Theresa” Dunn consulting. Our nation is $16 trillion in debut but taxpayers are bailing out the EU through the Fed manipulating euro currency and an IMF “TARP like” fund that Romney has pledged to continue needing and estimated $2 trillion. The financial status quo with recognized universal “right” to healthcare in an intergovernmental border-less world. The squeeze play on Iran of Afghanistan and Iraq limps on (as sport Elliott Abrams gets pawned by Valerie Jarrett whose jilted Israel).

    No longer is there nation state diplomacy but a collective from Brussels as Dodd-Frank gets regulated so American financial services will blend seamlessly with the forthcoming EU morphing Financial Union “to release national sovereignty.” Intergovernmental tractor production is up like the zippers on your liberty, suckers. And just to herd anyone with independent thought, the establishment with the RINO flavor keeps hyperventilating Ron Paul as a not so subtle military grave robber séparatiste, reminder out there beating the underbrush, driving forward crowd acquiescence to the calming elites and their chosen, civic apathy their reward. Collectivism. Ameritopia. Submit.

    Understand the backroom collaboration between retiring Rep. Ron Paul, and his legacy Sen. Rand Paul, with the bionic Romney machine now?

    The TEA Party is told we must submit to working within the Republican party to gain influence. By the same reasoning, if we can’t have influence, surely we must stop submitting to their rules. “Don’t look at the polls. . . Don’t pay attention to what the national media are saying, what the pundits are saying. Listen to your heart. Lead. Don’t follow.” –Rick Santorum