This is an oddball post if I’ve ever seen one. Before final passage of the bill, Harry Reid managed to slip into Obamacare protection for gun owners that prevents the government from collecting any information relating to “lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition“. This was added, according to CNN, as a “relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.”

But CNN also points out that Harry Reid was singing a different tune back in 2010 as he was trying to court 2nd amendment voters in his state for his upcoming reelection – even inviting NRA’s Wayne LaPierre to speak at a gun range in his state. And true to form after the Aurora, Colorado movie theater massacre 2012, Reid wasn’t interested in the slightest about changing gun laws, saying “with the schedule that we have, we’re not going to get into a debate on gun control.” This was after he had won his 2010 reelection, of course, but in the midst of a heated presidential race.

So how does Reid explain his change of opinion on gun control now? According to his staff his opinion on gun control is evolving: “The Senate majority leader’s views on gun control are changing. He’s in a different place than he was in 2010.”

Yeah, right. Watch the full report below:

TRANSCRIPT:

JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When President Obama signed national health care reform into law, few in Washington knew that buried in the legislation’s more than 900 pages was a gift to the nation’s powerful gun lobby. But here it is, a provision entitled Protection of Second Amendment Rights.

It states the government and health insurers cannot collect any information relating to the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition. The provision was such a secret, “The Washington Post” reports that some people in the White House didn’t even know it existed, despite being in the president’s signature legislation.

Health care advocate Joan Alker did notice it and has a hunch where it came from.

(on camera): And so how do you think this got in there? JOAN ALKER, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY: I don’t know, but I’m assuming the NRA put it in at the last minute.

ACOSTA (voice-over): So who put it in there? It might surprise you to learn it was this man, the most powerful Democrat in Congress, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. But why? A Democratic source close to the passage of the health care law tells CNN: “This is what was viewed as a relatively benign way to make sure the National Rifle Association didn’t get involved with this.”

Reid has been a top advocate of gun rights for years. In fact, just days after the health care law was signed, Reid invited Wayne LaPierre, a top official at the NRA, to the opening of this Nevada weapons range.

SEN. HARRY REID (D-NV), MAJORITY LEADER: People who criticize this probably would criticize baseball.

ACOSTA: LaPierre’s visit was a big boost for Reid, who was courting gun owners in his very pro-Second Amendment state of Nevada in a tough battle for reelection.

WAYNE LAPIERRE, EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT, NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION: I also want to thank you, Senator, for your support every day at the federal level for the Second Amendment and for the rights of American gun owners.

ACOSTA: Both Reid and the NRA declined to talk to CNN on camera, but Democratic sources on Capitol Hill say the NRA was not the only threat to the president’s health care bill. Lawmakers were also worried about conspiracy theories circulating among gun enthusiasts that falsely accused the Obama administration of plotting to use the health care law to go after gun owners.

One group, the Gun Owners of America, insists it could still happen.

LARRY PRATT, GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA: It says that all of our medical records are available to be pawed through by bureaucrats somewhere in Washington looking for a reason to disenfranchise gun owners.

ACOSTA: As for Reid, his staff told us today: “The Senate majority leader’s views on gun control are changing. He’s in a different place than he was in 2010,” says an adviser. Consider how Reid answered the question after the July movie theater massacre in Colorado.

REID: With the schedule that we have, we’re not going to get into a debate on gun control.

ACOSTA: And how he responded after the killings in Newtown.

REID: We need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens.




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109 comments
Suzyqpie
Suzyqpie

I believe that I detect a pattern...when it is Republican it is flip-flop. When it is Democrat it is evolving. Somehow evolution is sanctioned, flipping is vilified. Uh, how does such hypocrisy survive and thrive? 0bama's Basij, aka MSM, promotes, supports, and endorses this behavior. Reid will skate. ACA is a stew, it is still cooking, "The Secretary shall determine....." ACA, aka, RobertsTaxEvolving. Forward. Math is coming.

utah_1
utah_1

Is anyone going to bother to read the whole section. It looks like it limits the Feds only in connection to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by

that Act.

See page 39 and 40 in the pdf or pages 20 and 21 as numbered.

http://housedocs.house.gov/energycommerce/ppacacon.pdf

kong1967
kong1967

Just like politicians to stick things in bills that don't belong there. 2nd amendment protection has nothing to do with Obamacare, but Reid stuck it in there so we'll take it.

It'll just be a "bump in the road" for Obama to go around it. Dems are playing with fire.

Jason Edward Prather
Jason Edward Prather

When, oh when will these hypocritcal government types surrender every weapon THEY have in compliance with their precious king oops I mean president? If Obama hates guns so mch let him be the first to disarm every government offical first and then broadcast it and call Congress and every government builsing a complete un free zone meaning no one there has a weapon! Hey it works so well for schools and guns are so evil, let the dems lead by example like they did with America's nuclear disarmanent, nukes are bad nukes kill unless it's cancer pateints then the badness and killing and radiation is ok right?! And s disarmin will get us fried qicker by other country's weapons, oops I mean et other countries to disarm too! (gigle snort) still can't say that with a straight face. How 'bout it Obama? Everyone should be happy with you because you gave them their free cell phones to re-elect you so get rid of YOUR guns and weapons of any kind!

Jay
Jay

Don't worry, the gubberment won't let a little thing like a law get in the way of their agenda.

Debra Oneil
Debra Oneil

Now we know why Roberts voted the way he did... HE is Mormon also!

clockwindingdown
clockwindingdown

Please do explain your bigotry, we are dying to hear it!

Let us change the word "Mormon" for "Man", yep still bigoted!

You see your argument has nothing to do with facts, it is a distraction, a change of subject.

Just to remind you debra, the story is about harry reid. “The Senate majority leader’s views on gun control are changing. He’s in a different place than he was in 2010,”. In other words he was for the 2nd amendment before he got elected and became against the 2nd amendment. I didn't see anything about being a Mormon!

Good ole little harry one can always count on him to do what is needed to get elected. I bet he had his fingers crossed during his endorsement from the NRA, so it really didn't count his being for the 2nd amendment an all...

Debra Oneil
Debra Oneil

Harry Reid is a Mormon. Looks like that White Horse prophecy may have some meat to it after all! Now we know why Roberts voted the way he did... HE is Mormon also!

Brandon Smith
Brandon Smith

Nothing to see her folks! Just another Liberal Hypocrite! This time it's Harry Reid! It appears he was for Gun Rights before he was against them! In that "Pass it so we can find out what's in it" ObamaTax it looks like ol Harry inserted some pork to prohibit the feds from collecting any info on lawful gun owners, but now all of a sudden he's against it!

Kakarot
Kakarot

Dang! I guess they really did have to pass it to find out what was in it.

AMERICAN ex-PAT
AMERICAN ex-PAT

Senator Harry Reid; a.k.a. Prince Harry.

A senile old fart that should be put far out to pasture, with nothing but a rocking chair.

One of the worst, if not the worst Senate Majority Leader in modern history!

well
well

gear up for impeachment first

SilentTexan
SilentTexan

Congrats, Scoop!

you were just mentioned on Rush talking abou this article. i hope you realize what a big impact you have made! :D

K-Bob
K-Bob

Scoop's getting linked at some link-listing sites, too. He was highlit by twitchy the other day.

Scoop is everywhere!

sDee
sDee

This regime is intentionally inciting eventual police action against law abiding citizens. So even if they choose legal trickery, including executive orders, or even repeal of the Second Amendment to do that, it does not change their motivation nor what will ensue.

This is all going to get more dangerous and as it does, we have to keep paramount that the Second Amendment does not give us the right to bear arms - the Second Amendment prohibits the Federal Government from interfering with that right.

No matter what this regime does, no matter what channels they choose to persecute us through, Second Amendment or not..........we will always have the right to bear arms and to resist anyone who tries to take it away.

"criticisms of the idea of insurrection .... it will never get off the ground, or, it will destroy the country"

the insurrection must make it understood that the right to arms is ancient, as ancient as the right of self defense, and that it is part of our political heritage secured well before the creation of this nation. i was careful to say the right to arms is "constitutionally protected," and is not a "constitutional right" in the sense that the right was "created" by the second amendment, or its origins are in the second amendment. the origins of the right to arms is not in the second amendment, it did not create them, and they preceded the document: congress is prescribed from interfering with something that pre-existed congress. the right to arms precedes the second amendment, and goes back to the magna carta, and arises out of historical abuses in english history, when english catholics tried to disarm english protestants, and the protestants likewise tried to disarm the catholics some time later.

http://wintersoldier2008.typepad.com/summer_patriot_winter_sol/2013/01/criticisms-of-the-idea-of-insurrection-it-will-never-get-off-the-ground-or-it-will-destroy-the-count.html

suzy000
suzy000

Wait a sec....if Obama issues an Exec. order...it will have to be worded very carefully not to be in conflict with the Obamacare Act AND the Second Amendment. This will be interesting to see how all this pans out. I guess it is time that SCOTUS will be visited again soon.

Lives4Freedom
Lives4Freedom

REID: "We need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens."

If you mean that we are not respecting the 2nd Amendment enough to allow our citizens to defend themselves against the criminally violent, then yes.

If you mean to say that gun free zones don't work, then yes.

Reid did an excellent job covering his butt with such a generic statement. He is correct, but what is he REALLY saying? :)

Libertyship46
Libertyship46

So, how is this going to work now? If Biden wants stricter gun control laws passed, will they have to kill Obamacare to get it through Congress? It will be fun to watch how they try and pull this law out of Obamacare, because now it IS law since it was already passed by Congress. And I doubt Reid either has the votes or really wants to pull this provision out of the Obamacare law. This problem couldn't happen to a "nicer" person. I hope Reid chokes on it.

pdxlady
pdxlady

The dems are well practiced in changing our vocabulary and the meaning of words to make it sound more benign to the uninformed.

DemSpeak is "evolving;" for everyone else it is "flip-flopping."

"Revenues," are "taxes" and any other way of separating the peasants from their own money.

and, What is the meaning of "is? "

aposematic
aposematic

Ends justify the means = Politics

colliemum
colliemum

So if it's not in Obamacare - why do we hear from so many people that their doctors ask them again and again if they own guns?

Fishy, no?

Smeethow
Smeethow

I'd ask the doc why he or she wants to know ? What do they plan on doing with the information and depending on the answers try to find a new one. It's none of their business anyway.

clockwindingdown
clockwindingdown

1st off, the 2nd Amendment doesn't need support from the federal government doing illegal acts. The federal government needs support to carry out illegal acts...

That said we should all get harry's goat and send him letters thanking him for adding additional protection to the 2nd Amendment in O'scare.

We should remind little harry that what he did with O'scare was to protect us against what he is attempting doing at this time!

Also included the question what does the term "infringe mean"?

infringe |inˈfrinj|

verb [ trans. ]

actively break the terms of (a law, agreement, etc.) : making an unauthorized copy would infringe copyright.

• act so as to limit or undermine (something); encroach on : his legal rights were being infringed | [ intrans. ] I wouldn't infringe on his privacy.

Finally we need to remind little harry that bad bills and crooked deals do have consequences!

Haywoodjbl
Haywoodjbl

As I have said before. Come get mine, I will be here.

Nukeman60
Nukeman60

I still don't understand why any kind of gun law regulation is in a healthcare bill. What else are we going to find in there? A repeal of term limits for the President? Support for an algae farm to feed their Unicorns? What?

REID: "We need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens."

Of course you're not. Do you even hear what you are saying, Harry? Try to listen to all the little voices in your head.

sjmom
sjmom

Reid is easy to explain; he has no convictions and only plays a role when running for election. Typical liberal behavior.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

You know, Harry Reids position may be "evolving" But LAWS can't evolve. A law is a law.

colliemum
colliemum

Not for dems and commies, it isn't.

All they need is an E.O. from the POS.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

Did you know that when they removed the CARE act from Maobamacare, it isn't separable so, really Moabamacare is ALREADY dead.

colliemum
colliemum

Good-oh.

So now all that's needed is stop Maobama surviving.

Wolfie
Wolfie

You have to love the word games that Libtards play

When a Republican/Conservative changes a position, he FLIP FLOPS!!

When a Democrat/Liberal changes a position, he EVOLVES! When he flips back, does he DEVOLVE??

colliemum
colliemum

I wish they did - physically.

Perhaps dissolving them might speed the process up.

Nukeman60
Nukeman60

What he means is they are trying, but failing, to come out of the primordial ooze.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

I don't think democrats have ever evolved from tree dwelling primates in the first place, Brother.

frontierwoman
frontierwoman

This seems great on the surface. They make the laws though...it would be easy for them to make today's law abiding citizen tomorrow's law breaker.

RighteousCrow_JustCaws
RighteousCrow_JustCaws

Yes, it was very controversial among NRA members when they backed Reid against Tea Party candidate Sharon Engle. The NRA recognized Reid's power in Congress and his lifelong 2nd Amendment support; but in this narrow viewpoint failed to foresee his more damaging support of liberal justices...and more.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

See, democraps are so stupid they don't even know what they, themselves want.

sjmom
sjmom

The Dems WANT power and so when that is your agenda conviction and positions can change with the wind. They confuse the word principle which means a fundamental doctrine or tenet* with the word principal which means first or highest in rank*. Who said they were the brightest bulbs in the chandelier?????????

*both definitions from dictionary.com

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

Democraps don't know what dictionaries are, either, sadly.

Well said

Sober_Thinking
Sober_Thinking

Harry Reid is a textbook politician and the lowest form of life: say one thing but do another. ANYTHING to win an election.

Ever "Evolving". Obama, Reid, Pelosi. The "Axis of Evil" redefined.

SineWaveII
SineWaveII

"Harry Reid is a textbook politician and the lowest form of life" Redundant but absolutely correct.

Sober_Thinking
Sober_Thinking

lol... I just wanted to say it more than once... :)

librtifirst
librtifirst

After watching that election, something makes me think that Reid wasn't worried about losing. I think that his biggest concern was how obvious the election fraud was.

Sober_Thinking
Sober_Thinking

You may be right...

I think he KNEW the unions would bus liars and cheats in to save his sorry, wrinkled butt.

Sickening.

librtifirst
librtifirst

Neither can McCain, Graham, and other establishment RINOs.

Sober_Thinking
Sober_Thinking

Voter fraud is unbelievable in this country... I'd expect it in Iran or Cuba...

Leftists, liberals and Democrats can't win in a fair fight.

librtifirst
librtifirst

I don't remember all the details, but his relative was the state election official. He was losing in the polls by a bigger margin than the normal margin of error. There was more to it, but it likely came down to the vote counts getting flipped electronically.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

I couldn't reply to your "don't kill me" reply. LOL, fear not, my Friend. But I do work in a building full of doctors and dentists and they we've got sneezing, coughing, weezing, sickos wandering in and out all day long.

My policyholders are the Good public. These sick people are the nasty public.

You are safe, I have made a New Year's resolution to not hurt any Scoopers. I plan on keeping this resolution.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

Yeah, things have changed in medicine. I had two fused in 2001 which made me unqualified for the newer version they do now. They now use a teflon lazy susan type disc that only takes one or two months to recover from but since I'd already HAD a fusion I couldn't have that surgery. So, they went in and fused two more vertebra to the two already fused. Now I have a titanium plate with 4 screws on the front of C4-C5 and two titanium rods that go from C6-C3 with two screws per vertebra.

Total titanium count is one plate, two rods and twelve screws. I wonder if I could pawn them for some real money? But then I'd have to carry my head around.

librtifirst
librtifirst

Some years ago, my wife had a disc replaced. It had been approved in Europe for fifteen years before that, but the US would not allow it until then. Some people over there were having 3-4 discs replaced at one time, rather than fusing the vertibra. The new disc replaces the old, and is better in many ways than the original. The US decided that only one could be done at a time, and if you had two bad discs, you couldn't get the procedure. The surgeon who performed her procedure was the first in the area to do so. He had received special training to perform it. It is quite the awesome deal. It seems like every time that I turn around, I find something new that the AMA and our government is doing to keep us sick, injured, or dying. Just the fact that the Gerson therapy is illegal for a doctor to prescribe is telling enough, but why would a long time proven surgical procedure be limited or banned in the US? I guess that is what you get when your socialist government makes all the calls and uses force to control the population and their personal decisions. When I hear about people in your situation, it just ticks me off even more.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

Yep, titanium and a bit stiff but I have more range of motion than you might imagine. People don't usually believe me in person until I show them the scar that runs from the base of my skull to between my shoulder blades.

No, pain will only worsen as I age. NO worries, tho. If it hurts, then that means that you are still alive.

;-)

librtifirst
librtifirst

So, if anyone calls you stiff necked, you could agree in a literal sense. :) Will the pain ever get better? I know that it takes a long time to heal fused vertibra. I assume that they use titanium and then cause the bone to grow together.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

No worries. Thanks to the 4 fused vertebra in my neck and my pain management doc and his percocets, I'm pretty much always in a good mood anymore. Though I love the pills, I would not recommend the surgery. It sucked on a cosmic scale.

Anyone who thinks they understand pain, child birth included(I know this will draw fire) has NO IDEA what pain is until they fuse 4 vertebra in a single surgery. There isn't enough morphine on the planet to stop the pain and put you to sleep.

But now, I have the advantage of always being happy. OH, and I'm titanium armored in my neck. I'm a hajji's worst nightmare. Couldn't decapitate me with a frigging radial saw.

librtifirst
librtifirst

No worries. When you referred to working with the public and getting sick, my mind went straight to the TSA putting their hands down people's pants and then doing it to the next person without changing the gloves. Lots of people have complained about that.

I wanted to make sure that you didn't take that the wrong way. "Kill me" with words is all I meant. I should probably find better ways of putting things.