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Piers, please go back home. Our forefathers came here to get away from you. Why are you following them ? Ours is a free country, if and when it is gone, then what country would be better ?
Of course, the gun grabbers will say, "Yeah, but the number of gun related deaths in the U.K. is far, far, far lower than those who get killed by guns in the U.S." Yeah, whatever. How many of those gun deaths were effected by members of law enforcement against those breaking the law...you know, CRIMINALS? What say you monsieur or madam(oiselle) gun grabber?
I'm not going to be vague, and just point to "violent crime" statistics, but I'm going to call a spade a spade, and speak directly on GUN CRIMES and GUN HOMICIDE rates in the UK. What Mr. Credibility doesn't want to speak of is the fact that the last decade in the UK has seen gun homicides and gun violence SKYROCKET some 89%. That means it would probably be safer walking through Chicago at night, with a 20 hanging out of your pocket, and wearing a Bush-Romney t shirt, than it would be tiptoeing through Picadilly.
What is the similarity between Chicagoland and England? They're both being run into the ground by liberals, and richly deserve their fates. Morgan is nothing special (which is part of the reason he doesn't have a job in England, anymore: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3716151.stm). The typical liberal, when confronted directly with an irrefutable fact that they're wrong, will not admit it. Instead, they will try ignoring you, or make up something just as fraudulent as their first argument, and use it as evidence that they're right, and you're wrong. Morgan wouldn't talk about this, because, quite frankly, it would clearly portray him as the liar he is, and also further drag already struggling CNN further down in the mire of bad ratings (which could get him fired, AGAIN).
For people like him, its never about honesty; its all about story.
compare the homicide rates and you start to get a more accurate comparison. "violent crimes" has very very wide differences. the US has 3x the homicides per 100,000.
piers morgan needs to be deported... to stand there as a brit and encite that our government violate our constitution, on gun controle is on the boarder of espionoge... we have enough constitution violators, we dont need any help from the brits... which by the way..we whooped their ass and chased them back to england before we can do it again.. that sorry piece of trash..... and BTW... what a panzie-ass name...
What Piers Morgan doesn't know about EVERYTHING would fill the universe!
A moron looking for a cogent thought. Send his butt back to Merry Old England.
Piers, go back to the UK and make sure you and Paul McCartney stay there and never set foot on American soil again. You are not even citizens and you condemn America and our ways. And by the way Piers, I read that "bobbies" in the UK have access to guns...so stop your griping that the US should pass a new law banning guns, especially in such tumultuous times like these. Look at the statistics listed as well, your country is at the top of the crime list.
Here's my favorite quote: "Up until all of these people in political office disband their police forces, their Secret Service details, throw down their own arms, armored cars, body armor and other defensive means of interdicting assault they have nothing -- not even a moral argument -- behind them in their demand that you disarm and become an intentional victim."
Pierce Morgan should go to jail because he was raped up in that phone hacking crime when he ran that English tabloid rag!! he's preaching to us about our our 2nd amendment lol!!
Piers Moron is nothing but a babbling windbag. Hey buddy...take care of your own backyard before running your mouth about the US.
With the UK's crime statistics, guns should be required in every home. And these idiots think they are better than us??
*cough* not all of us are idiots and I certainly don't think I'm better than anyone! Agree with you about the need for guns in law abiding citizens homes btw!
But, the murder rate is higher here in the USA. What that tells me is that criminals are being punished for their crimes more in the US than in the UK. Well, time to purchase some more clips for my assault rifles. God speed!
Daily Mail ran an article about singer Gary Numan's flight from the UK to the US, The picture of what Britain has become over the past several years is unsettling. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2035898/Why-musician-Gary-Numan-decided-leave-drunken-violent-Britain.html To quote, 'There's an undercurrent of violence and aggression and it seems to be fueled by a binge-drinking culture which I don't see in other countries. The riots showed we have an ever-decreasing degree of compassion and care for other people.'
Weapons make it illegally into all these European countries, no matter what laws they have on the books. Many come from former East Bloc countries, especially The Czech Republic. Just saw an interesting documentary about this on Dutch television recently. Britain is not immune so Piers why don't you start at home first.
Has anybody noticed that most of these mass shootings are occurring since the introduction of SRRI medication? I sympathise with the American people as they grapple with these terrible problems of not feeling safe to allow your child to go to school, but some of the anger of people on this topic seems over the top and excessive. Not sure also why so many talk about "good guys" and "bad guys" . My children did that in Kindergarten but gave it up as they grew up and realised the complexities in human beings. Also can't understand why mental ill people are referred to as "evil" - we do not refer people with cancer as "evil" and yet mentally ill people are people whose brains are ill and the medical profession is extremely poor in providing real help. Today many families with a mentally ill child must be living in fear that their child might do something similar . If there were not so many guns around, they would not need to worry so much.
If someone killed your kid, would you care to make the distinction between evil or mentally ill? We don't care to make the distinction either. Evil acts in everyone, moreso in some people than others...and THEY are the ones that shoot up the schools. And if that evil manifested itself in a mentally-ill young adult, then so be it...still evil.
Let's see: Murder rate by firearm per 100,00 ... Spain (.2), Sweden (.41), Switzerland (.77), Norway (.05), England (.07), Canada (.51), USA (2.97).
Now let's look at murder rates in genral: Spain (.8), Sweden (1), Switzerland (.7), Norway (.05), Englande (.07), Canada (1.6), USA (4.2
Houston ... we have a problem.
Well, if you're going to toss around best case scenarios, how about some worst case scenarios? Like Mexico? Guns are illegal there; period, yet they fall at 9.97. Or Phillipines at 8.93...how about Panama at 16.8? All of these places have stricter gun laws than the US...much stricter. If we outlawed guns, within 5 years we would be on par with some of these countries.
Why would we want to compare our country with socialist countries that are now discovering that their socialist ideas have failed and are attempting to return to sanity. Europe is a window into the future for us. Why don't we use that insight and avoid the failures?
Why would you want to compare your country to developing countries? The USA is supposed to be "first world" and a world leader.
Interesting that gun murder rate in Switzerland is 0.77%, per 100,000 when they supposedly ban all ammo. So either they are using the guns as clubs or this is just another proof that banning guns and ammo doesn't stop the killing.
Your data also doesn't break the US down into areas. Chicago, Boston, DC (all gun-banned zones) are all higher crime areas than open-carry states, but we have a tendency to just group it all together as "US". This is a bit misleading.
Another point those stats don't show is the increase in other lethal means after guns were banned. If it's the guns that are at fault, then the killings should go down, not just switch to another category.
I'm not saying guns are not dangerous. That's why we are required to be well-trained in order to carry, but there are many factors in the death rates in all these countries. Stats can be used to serve any purpose.
Interesting. It would be well worth seeing what studies have been done about it. I, of course, am against drugs, but I'm also anti-murder. It is obvious that we need to do something about the degrading conditions of our nation. I don't know if making drugs legal would make things better, but a new philosophy is needed in our environment.
I think it's drugs that are causing a lot of the mental instability as of late. All the so-called legal drugs seem to be rather harmful and getting more prominent in today's society. Do we turn our lives into an Orwellian society with the government controlling the drugs and, with that, controlling our personal lives? I don't know how it would pan out.
Personal responsibility and a return to God would be good starts at reversing our decaying society, in my eyes, but it appears to be a minority opinion.
I know that a very high percentage of murder is tied to drugs; and likewise police are tied down by the War on Drugs. In Europe there is no War on Drugs like in the USA and Canada so the street price is lower, and hence less incentive for the cartels and gangs.
As an aside; my son is a police officer and after time on the streets does not believe in the War on Drugs, because it's been lost. He thinks that crashing the street price would destroy the cartels and vastly reduce the crime rates in inner cities. It's money that drives the whole inner city crime cycle ... money to get drugs, money to sell them ... and most ironically, it is Canadian and USA money that drives the War in Mexico.
I know that Spree killing isn't tied to the drug trade, but national murder stats sure are; and getting cash for expensive street drugs is at the root of most street crime.
I don't know. Do you? First of all, you don't know what would happen after decriminalizing drugs. Assuming it would collapse the street price and destroy the international drug trade is just speculation. It might reduce the murder rate, but I doubt it (I am assuming you are talking about the murder rate due to drug deals, but I'm only guessing here).
Does that, in any way, correlate to allowing law-abiding citizens to be armed and able to protect themselves? Are you saying that law-abiding citizens would then use drugs? I'm not sure what your correlation is here.
Once again, you are using one variable in a seven variable equation and trying to predict the outcome.
So, what would happen to the murder rate if you decriminalized drugs ... thus collapsing the street price and destroying the international drug trade?
I would hope that it changes soon, as the minority liberal party got it passed as the populace was napping, much like what happens here.
I just read another article this morning, btw, that shows the US gun crime decreasing for 4 straight years (the stats were from 2006-2010), despite the fact that gun sales were skyrocketing. Cal, Texas, and NY were the highest gun murder states in the nation. While Texas has lax gun laws, Cal has the strictest in the nation.
This just goes to show that there is more to it than gun ownership and people shouldn't jump to conclusions just because they want guns banned.
I quote the FBI from the article:
The FBI also warns against using the data to rank areas against each other, noting that rankings “are merely a quick choice made by the data user; they provide no insight into the many variables that mold the crime in a particular town, city, county, state, region or other jurisdiction.”
“Consequently, these rankings lead to simplistic and/or incomplete analyses that often create misleading perceptions adversely affecting cities and counties, along with their residents,” the FBI continued.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gun-crime-continues-to-decrease-despite-increase-in-gun-ownership/
I would think experts like the FBI would understand this data better than us, so the data that ranks countries should be taken with a grain of salt and we all should be careful not to trip into the pitfalls.
I didn't realize the Swiss had changed their military rules. They used to be armed to the teeth. They are an active hunting society, so I'm not sure how that works.
Unless the Swiss have changed recently, the liberals in that country got ammo in the homes banned in 2007. Soldiers have to store their ammo in armories. And yet, there is still gun crimes.
http://concealed.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/switzerland-strips-all-citizens-of-gun-rights/
The reason I mention dividing up the country to see where the gun violence is deals with the liberals who are using gun stats to say the US is violent and it's due to law-abiding citizens having guns. The laws are meant to take away the protection of law-abiding citizens. Criminals and wackos care less about the laws and these laws against law-abiding citizens will not solve the problem of violence in our world.
Using country to country stats that don't really show anything constructive is totally useless. If a country has a high murder rate with guns, proceeds to take guns away from it's citizens, and then discovers that the murder rate from other means has increased, then what purpose has that served but to appease the anti-gun activists?
I like your last comment, though. It cuts to the crux of the matter. I read a quote this morning that sums it up - "Weapons are not conducive to violence; what makes them dangerous is a violence-oriented culture." This is what we need to address.
The Swiss have ammo ... they hunt; and soldiers have their arms and ammo at home.
Breaking down by area is not relevant when doing a country to country comparison unless you are trying to prove, for example, that US violence is inner city based, while other countries have it across a more general area. In Canada, almost all of our murders are among Indians on reserves or in inner cities. I imagine that most American murder is inner city among minorities ... but that still doesn't change the fact that the rate is the highest in the developed world.
Your final point is very interesting. Once you've got 280 million guns out there, it stands to reason that you need a gun to be safe. America is a gun flooded country; so of course, you want to have a gun.
Here's my favorite quote: "Up until all of these people in political office disband their police forces, their Secret Service details, throw down their own arms, armored cars, body armor and other defensive means of interdicting assault they have nothing -- not even a moral argument -- behind them in their demand that you disarm and become an intentional victim."
This is still just assertion on your part. I would hope that those who research this issue would find better data resources than a socialist news site and an anti-American organization like the U.N.
Wiki for the most part is likely the best data source on the planet because of its self correcting method. My daughter is a med student, and her and her classmates prefer wiki to many text sources as it's actually more current and just as detailed.
You can try and search all the data you want, and you'll always come back to two conclusions. 1. America has an unusually high murder rate for a Western Country. 2. American gun violence (murder, accident, suicide) is unequaled in the Western world.
Guardian UK leans socialist-labor, and their data comes from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. Not saying that the information is false, but one has to take these factors into account.
As a "whole" the euro zone has a higher death rate per 100.000, than the United States due to firearms...besides, doesn't Switzerland require it's citizens to keep a firearm for defence?
Switzerland has an armed citizen army.
The Euro zone's murder rate is nowhere near that of the USA ... not even close. Even Canada has a higher murder rate than the Euro zone.
Yes, you hit on the crux of the matter. Schools should not be gun-free zones, just sitting there wide open for any wacko to attack, whether it's with a gun or a chainsaw. The solution to protecting our kids is armed protection, either hired guards or well-trained teachers, or both.
This horrendous tragedy in Connecticut was just a means for anti-gun activists to jump on their narrative, and they didn't even wait for the deceased to be buried before they started.
If stats are going to be used, they need to be used properly. When using gun murder rates or country comparisons, more than one set of figures should be used to be accurate. If you have an equation with 7 variables, saying you solved for one doesn't solve the equation.
Somebody in our schools should be armed - whether it is staff, police, or even a vet who has been unable to find work, which I think is a great idea!!!
"The wrenching tragedy in Connecticut last week led to much national coverage of gun violence. Not mentioned in most of the coverage is the fact that the U.S. is experiencing a 50-year-low in murders nationwide."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/20/US-Homicide-Rates-are-at-a-50-Year-Low
Indeed, but that's not the point. The point is that the USA is the most "murder" prone of all Western nations; and the "gun" is the tool of choice more than in any other Western Country. If you add to this stats on gun accidental deaths, and gun suicides ... it's a blood bath in comparison to other Western Nations.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not for gun bans etc., ... I'm just pointing out that America has a problem with "murder" and gun death from all causes ... period.
Furthermore, with an estimated 280 million guns, the genie is out of the bottle and it ain't going back in, so in order to curb gun violence, you'll have to use more draconian methods than others may have to ... like police officers in schools.
Ironically, in my city in Canada, Prince Albert, the largest local high school has a police officer (armed), on duty all day long, every day, from before until after the kids go home.
Brits hate it when you talk numbers to them. It only reminds them how small, petty, and dangerous their insignificant little country is.
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