This whole blog is the most ball-less bunch of BS'ers. I've wasted my time and my service on a country that couldn't care less! Like Harvey Vocke said after escaping Nazi imprisonment, If all the gerry's in the world are closin' in and there's no way out. Stop and piss on 'em! You fools give up your 1st Amendment Rights in the name of PCism and you deserve the the lack of respect you get by non-confrontation.
I used to work in a Amusement Park. One day, I was walking with a young black man, a fellow employee. He called another young black employee a "N" word.
I told him he couldn't do that. It's against the park's code of conduct and could get him fired. He said, "It doesn't apply to me, I'm black."
A few minutes later, the idiot then called a park guest (another young black male) the n-word. His parents heard him. He was fired later that day.
If it's wrong, it's wrong. No matter who you are.
Alonzo is so right. If white people use the "n" word we are condemned as racists, but if black people use it in their conversations to each other it's ok. I don't like the word at all. Everyone in every race deserves respect even among their own kind. Maybe except for the extreme terrorist Muslim bas---ds.
I see the movie as the gratuitous exploitation of the rise of mass class/race warfare utilizing all period weapons of mass destruction at its disposal. The blood and guts scenes alone will ensure its financial success. The coming game release will also be a huge financial success. Can people seperate fantasy from reality is the real and only question that gets fuzzier every day what with the Information disseminators(SP) mucking everything up big time.
Reading this thread about the use of a particular word and the emotions it releases. Supposedly, in this day and age, where the obamessiah is supposed to be a post racial whatever, this just isn't supposed to exist. So much for that fantasy.
What about the silence of the lamestream media, political correctness libfags etc about this? Obviously, they accept it. Otherwise, they'd be screaming racism on the top of their lungs about it! And they get away with it as its from hollywood/pallywood.
While I'm not black, so I can't ever say that I know exactly how that feels inside to hear certain language about people who are. But, I am Jewish and have been subjected to many antisemitic comments. And I do know how that feels. It ain't pretty.
But its funny how one can get away with disparaging comments about their own kind. I'm probably just as guilty as anyone about making a sarcastic "Jew" comment, because I'm Jewish. I'd probably be all over someone who's not, and calling them an antisemite for making the exact same comment.
I always enjoy Zo's commentary. It's unfortunate to see many in the black community embrace such a trashy movie, but this mentality is a deep rooted cultural issue perpuated by the liberals.
My fellow whiteguys and I frequently refer to each other as Cracker, or Whitey. Then we procede to chuckle like Beaves and Butthead for about 20 minutes. When that gets tiresome we move on to other terms of endearment such as Blue eyed Devil, Honky, Pale Face, and Gringo. All while smoking a fat one and tossing down 40's on the street intersection in front of Barnes and Nobles. Then we hit the tavern, get jiggy with our bitches ,and get our freak on. Ah, such fond memories,.... Merry Christmas everyone!
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'I forgave Jamie Foxx the moment he said it.' - Zo
Yep, the good book tells us to turn the other cheek. Liberals like to use that a lot on us. What they forget, though, is we only have two cheeks. They want to keep repeating their offenses to me, the cheek don't get turned again.
Don't forget, you've actually got more than two cheeks. Turn the two while trying to make peace. If that doesn't work, then turn the other 'two', walk away and disassociate from the ungodly.
Right on, Nukeman! Children of the devil do just as their father Satan tells them to, and godliness is NOT in them! --Tom S
I'd like to see this movie bomb miserably... but I have a feeling it won't.
Yesterday, I was stunned to see so many black people paying to go see this trash. The fact that it's already been nominated for a Golden Globe (before it was even released) is enough for me to boycott it. But the premise, the content, and the language - not to mention the environment - of this film is nauseating. And I guess it'll further stir the pot and kindle the hatred against white people owning or mistreating black people. Plus, there will be a lot of gratuitous shooting of white people no doubt... so we have racism and a lack of gun control. I thought liberals were against that stuff.
I hope this movie bombs miserably... but I have a feeling it won't.
I don't like the word at all. It's a negative word, and it will always be. I cringe when I hear it from anybody. Black. White. Personally, I believe it encourages pessimism in the black community.
It encourages pessimism in all of culture, IMHO. I too cringe when I hear it!! It has been over-used and the meaning so distorted that it is utterly useless in any way today!
What you mention is something I'm not sure liberals understand. They're all happy that Obama won, but wrongful calling of others as racist and blacks calling each other the N-word is something no one wants to associate with. In situations like that, the correct move has always been to walk away. They are left with fewer doors open and fewer people wanting to associate with them. Of course, the liberals will milk this forever as a way to fan the flames of hatred. It's their way. And it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. But it never ends well.
I'm in a minority (not black) and at one point our community had to call each other on sweeping accusations based on our background. The "other side" just walked away. Same as I'm seeing with black people when they use this kind language. Once we started calling ourselves on it and instead deal with the ONE specific person in question, things changed. We even encouraged "the other side" to call us on it. They were in disbelief. "No way in hell" they said. There is still some animosity, but overall, the situation is great. I see none of this kind of progress with blacks. In fact, I see the opposite.
Commenting on this subject; and being an older white male will no doubt be construed as hypocritical. I can accept this line of criticism to some extent. Where I see a connection in this is what happens in my classrooms all the time, and I have to agree with Mr. Alfonzo Rachel on this completely. There is no way I could try, or even would try to count how many times I have had a young African American student come into the class and announce their arrival with the "What up my N....s" I have addressed each one of these students about the negative connotation associated with this word. And just like Mr. Rachel states on this video, to these African American kids, they hold to the idea that this is just a term of endearment so long as it is an African American to another African American. I suppose this is the same reason many men, of all races, refer to a woman as a B...hes and feel it is acceptable. As I tell my daughter all the time when she is socializing with her friends and they start using these so called "Terms of Endearment, how would will you feel when someone uses this term of endearment in reference to you, or perhaps your mother? As for me, I am strong enough emotionally to care little for any term of endearment that anyone should throw my way. My stepfather; perhaps one of the meanest persons I ever knew used to say with a smile; "You can call me anything, just don't call me late to dinner."
That would've been the perfect time to vent...vet. Especially if he were the meanest man you ever met. Good golly, didn't you at least hit him with a Sorry SOB, Grinchy Grouch or something like that? Consider using those three little words which mean so much when delivered from the heart. Just follow whatever else it is you have to say with these three little words and watch your world change:
1. You 2. stupid 3. bastard
I'm telling you it makes all the difference. Try it.
Thanks, as for my stepfather he did prove an old biblical belief, "if you live by the sword, so shall you die by the sword." (not exact wording, sorry) My stepfather did some horrendous things while he walked this Earth, and his past did catch up. He was shot and killed when I was 16. I will say that his life gave me a perfect reason as to live by a different set of rules, and was the biggest reason I chose to live by the "Lead by example" philosophy. I also accepted the golden rule principle as a better way of getting along with people. What I find out as hard to figure on this is the misunderstanding that many have about the golden rule. Many use it to be mean to others while forcing kindness from the same. To me the golden rule, "Do onto others as you would have them to do onto you" (I wrote this out in case anyone who reads this post and doesn't know what the golden rule is will now, I'm sure you already know this); the Golden rule means that if a person is going to be deceitful to me, I have the right to not associate with that person. Or I can confront that person with the truth and dismiss them for the liar they are. These two philosophies served me well as I served this great nation in the Army. Believe me when I tell you that in 22 years of service to this country I have used my fair share of profanity in almost every emotion possible; anger, happiness, sadness, guilt, relief and any other emotion I have. As for calling any student a little bastard, well it might be warranted, but since I refuse to belong to a corrupt union, I would not get the same protection and consequently would be immediately fired. That doesn't mean I don't at least think it. (and at this time thinking it isn't against the law)
Thanks for the suggestion
Goodmorning freenca; and sorry for this late reply. I think you and I are on the same page with the use of profanity, while I freely admit I used plenty during my time in the military, profanity was almost a casual way of speaking. Officers, NCO's and enlisted often used this language in an almost benign manner. When we were outside the norm group setting, the profanity just wasn't used. My mother said something that resonates with what your Grandparents spoke; she said "If you use profanity all the time, it loses its shock value." I never use any profanity while around my students, but while shoveling my drive way, I may have let some profanity slip out under my breath. To any who will read these words, if I have offended you, then I sincerely apologize for my callousness. Peace to all.
Sorry for not replying sooner. My MOS was 73C (Finance & Accounting) Spent much of my time in Weapons repair (My choice) Seems I had a good talent at fixing, maintaining and firing weapons of all sizes. I served from 1980 - 2002. (22yrs) Stationed mostly at Divisions 1st Inf Div (Ft Riley Ks) 4th Inf Div (Ft Carson Co) 2nd Arm Div Fwd (Garlstadt Germany) - Desert Storm at this point with 2nd AD Fwd, 4th Inf Div (Ft Carson Co) Sentanced to 3yrs of Torture in USAREC (Recruiting) My last two years were served at Ft Benjamin Harrison IN, DFAS. Budget Control Office out of FOO (Filed Operations Office) The most ironic time in my military career was the day I took my retirement physical, while at Ft. Knox KY, during my hearing test, the 1st plane struck the World Trade Center in New York. Even though my wife and I had agreed it was time to retire, after learning what was transpiring on 9/11, I thought I would be delayed on my retirement, but I said goodbye to all my fellow soldiers in the first week after New Years day 2002. I miss the structure of the military but keep it in my heart always. Now I am a substitute teacher for a very good school district.
What outfit, time and theater did you serve in this man's Army? I just happen to be a disabled Vietnam Veteran: 68-70, a history buff, and a serious student of the Bible, and so I enjoyed reading your statements, and ideas. -- Tom S
Something I learned from my parents, and grandparents, growing up was, that in VERY rare circumstance were swear words or any type of name calling appropriate. Usually reserved for actual phyisical injury or some MAJOR infraction against them, relating to a particular incident. Not a casual thing, at all!! A way of relating that I so wish would be abided by today!!!
As a society, we would be better off all around if we removed these words from our vernacular. We all know the words, but we don't have to use them. There was a time when certain language wasn't used in polite company, and for most people, not at all. The language we use is a choice we make.
As for blacks using that word on each other, that has never made sense to me. Someone once told me that blacks using it themselves was supposed to reduce the sting the word had. That doesn't seem to have worked. So why not drop the word?
I was raised in north central WI. Until my junior year in high school (when we moved to a larger town) I had never seen a black person except on TV. We, as kids, used the 'N' word in some of the rhymes we used to sing, not realizing the word even had a meaning. It was just a word. It wasn't until I went into the service that I found out that it was a denigrating term. I haven't used it since.
"I forgave him the minute he said it, but it doesn't mean I have to reward him like you're going to." Excellently said Zo.
Thanks Scoop. I have never watched Foxx, or even know anything about this movie except from what I've heard and read here lol, so I'd never be going to see it anyway. But the hypocrisy of the left, although always expected, still never ceases to amaze. It's always fun to watch Zo point it out.
>> But the hypocrisy of the left, although always expected, still never ceases to amaze.<<
Don't let them know that. They've never been able to amaze anyone before and it might go to their heads and make them narcissistic... oh yeah, that's right... too late, never mind.
The leftist whites that fawn to that cultural pandering are not accepted either. They, Just don't see it!! They will not be accepted for saying so. They have not had the same experience! Neither have the touters of the "black" experience have ever had to deal with the "white guilt" experience either! Zo, get's that aspect of race relations better than most!
I've often wondered why it's okay for blacks to call each other the 'N' word but it's not okay for whites to do it. Conversely, I've also wondered why it's okay for blacks to call us 'honky', 'whitey' and such but it's not okay for us to call each other those names. Apparently there's more to self-inflicted race denigration than my simple mind can wrap around.
Having served in the Army for twenty-six years, I served with a lot of great black soldiers. However their use of the N-word has confused me for a long time. I've decided that the word is not offensive to blacks because they use it much more than whites. They have established a "rule" that whites can not use the N-word, while they can use it as much as they desire. I even had a discussion with two black retired sergeants major about that, and I was told, "You can't use that word, but we can." Okay, I don't use it anyway, but the word can't really be offensive since a lot of blacks use it frequently. Funny how we can't use the N-word, but blacks can use all kinds of derogatory racial terms towards whites.
Hi Army Pilot,
I wear the same 'Battle Patch' that you do, 1st Aviation Brigade, Army helicopter door gunner: 68-70, Camp BearCat, RVN, 2nd tour! Great kick ass outfit, the 240th AHC near the Iron Triangle, and YES, I agree with you about the confusion of the "N" word being OK for the blacks, but not for us poor white boys... lol. email: firstname.lastname@example.org -- and let's see where we are. I write a humble Conservative Blog: TOM'S JOURNAL, and sometimes re-post stuff from the Tea Party that I just joined. Have a great day -- and Welcome Home! Tommy S --Disabled Vietnam Veteran: 68-70, and retired Chrysler worker: 30.5 years, Welder, etc.
Hey Tom, welcome home and thanks for your service to our nation! I think I visited Bear Cat one time, but I'm not sure since it was a long time ago in a place far away. Being a door gunner was an important job...thanks for being there during the missions you flew. You performed a critical job and were a key member of the aircrew. I was down at Vinh Long, which wasn't a bad place to be stationed. Hope you're going to have a fantastic New Year.
I had the same experience in the Navy. Baffled me then, too. Monday at work I asked a couple of black friends of mine who were bantering back and forth and calling each other 'N', why it's acceptable. They just looked at me like I was stupid and said, "Because we're black." End of discussion... LOL!
Maybe several of us could get together for a pee-farewell to those two one of these days!!! And there's always hope that we'll be around long enough for that occasion.
We 'Nam' Vets ain't 'Fonda' Hanoi Jane, or Hanoi John (Kerry), either for that matter. I probably won't live long enough to pee on their graves.
Thanks for your well-reasoned reply, armyvet. You have written some very good, thoughtful comments, and I appreciate your thoughts on this most interesting subject. Let me add one more little tidbit to the discussion: I have several biracial grandkids, and I think that might have ticked off my retired SGM friend as well. LOL. Like you wrote "Why would a person's race be an issue if both parties loved each other?" I can't worry about what other people think....I've got my hands full trying to take care of myself. I hope you and your family have a wonderful, safe, healthy 2013. Be safe, brother.
Thanks for the reply, and as for the "jiggle when you walk" comment, I know what you are talking about. I have an Uncle; by marriage, that was a helicopter pilot as well. I have a profound respect for him and I think he tends to like and respect me as well. As for the reluctance of anyone, including your friend the Ret SGM, to fully commit to a friendship with no boundaries, only God knows why. Speculating on human reason is a dangerous thing to do, but I will share a story with you that may further confound the subject.
I was in a class room when a young teenager (junior in high school) asked me the following question; "What do you think of interracial relationships?" This young person looked to me as a full blooded African American so I was a bit apprehensive in answering, I asked her; "Why would a person's race be an issue if both parties loved each other?" This young girl went on to explain to me that her father was "black" (her words) and her mother was Indian. She explained that she felt she and other kids of interracial relationships can be seen as un-pure. I have no idea why I became mad, but I was ticked, still, in a calm voice I told her this; "The contents of one’s heart should be the only measurement of a human being. It matters little the nationality, race or religion of another as long as goodness is sought over petty differences."
This young intense person then asked me a question that really nocked me for a loop. She asked me, in the calmest voice ever; "Would you marry outside your race?" I never really thought about it, I've been married to my wife for 29 years now and have never thought about the, what if's of life gone by. (in relationship to the question asked) Occasionally I think about that question and have never really answered it in my mind. I would like to think a person's race would have little to do with my decision, but who knows?
I think all human beings who have been hurt, or done wrong, put up shields in life to keep from being hurt or wronged again. The best analogy I have is the person that has been bitten by a dog. Chances are they may swoon over every cute dog they see and pet, but will never truly trust a dog not to bite them again.
All you can do in the end is be kind and honest and hope all people will accept you as you are, faults and all.
Peace Army Pilot.
Thanks for your service to our nation, armyvet, and when the bullets are flying, it doesn't matter where you are geographically you're laying your life on the line for your buddies and your country. When one stops and thinks about that, it is so amazing that we have people that willingly do that...so thank you for your service. I worked as an Army contractor after I retired and thought I had become very tight with a retired, black sergeant major. We had a few conversations about racial issues, and he made it clear to me that while he liked me, he certainly wouldn't tolerate me if I wander too deep into the N-word topic. He pointedly told me I could not use that word....as if I would!!!! He seemed to tense up on certain topics. It seemed to me from his perspective our friendship had certain boundaries; I had no boundaries as far as I was concerned. That seemed a bit odd to me, but that's the way he saw our friendship. It was like he had 95 percent trust in me for whatever reason. That was okay. He is a great American and has done what so many others have not: served our country for several decades, and I salute him and all others that have served in our military for whatever length of time. And you're correct about me being a helicopter pilot. I still jiggle when I walk from all the in-flight vibrations......LOL.
Thanks for your service to our nation, tinlizzieowner, and welcome home, brother. I grew closer to some black soldiers I've served with than I am with one of my brothers, but some of them still hold in reserve a "certain feeling" towards whites. I don't fully understand that, but then again I haven't been through all the crap that I'm sure some blacks have gone through. I appreciated the bond that develops between people, especially people of different races, in the military.....it's a great feeling, and I wish it carried over to civilian life to the same extent.
Thank you for your service and reply. I agree whole heartedly with your thought, "there ain't no such thing as a Racist in a Fox Hole." I have no idea of how many I dug in training, nor fortifications for that matter, but I do know the worst place I have ever dug a fox hole was at Ft. Carson Co. Hardest dam dirt I have ever experienced. And sir, you and all Vietnam Veterans were wrongly treated by what I refer to as the Fondamights (Jane MIGHT have only a half a brain). The real tragedy is the slant and downright incorrect manner that liberal historians try to paint all veterans of the Vietnam War. I know by experience that soldiers do and for the most part aren't allowed to question. As for me; all veterans who served honorably have my respect and admiration. Thank you sir for your sacrifices.
When I was in 'Nam' (66-67) the Black guys I served with and I used to call each other all kinds of names but when push came to shove, there was one universal truth.
There ain't no such thing as a 'Racist' in a Fox Hole. ;-) ;-)
There's one left over battle from the Viet Nam war and that's to see that you guys (and gals) came home to a damn sight better welcome than we got.
I just had to reply Army_Pilot1967, by your post name I am going to say Helicopter pilot? Anyway, I had a similar conversation with an African American Sgt co-worker and friend that once told me that his first impression of me was a true "redneck" or possible "Triple K" member. Being the sarcastic humorous individual I tend to be, I replied that my impression of him was a BPP member. After a good laugh I asked him why he would think this, his reply was classic. He said "Well, you drive a 4WD, pickup, are proud to be from Kentucky, you’re white and while I don't know why you don't listen exclusively to country music, I have heard it resonate from your truck." He went on to add, "The only thing missing from your truck is a gun rack." He and I came to be good friends but I always wondered if this is a standard way of thinking for all races. I listen to many different types of music and my interests in life have never been dictated by the color of my skin. My career was form 1980 to 2002, and I had only one deployment to a war zone that being Desert Storm. My deployment could never measure up to what your generation went through in Vietnam, or when you returned home. Thank you sir for your service and I hope any wounds, physical or mental can be eased by knowing that all service men and women are kindred spirits and should always be there for each other.
A retired and humble SFC, US Army
What I have found is that some people that have grown up in and within the surrounds of the culture , can, in some circumstances, get away with that. And some that have not grown up in the fold of it, just can not, ever!
And somewhere in the back of their minds they're probably still wondering to this day whether or not you really do belong to that group.
It's cool to joke around. I've done that with some of my black friends. They can tease hard though. They would insinuate that I belonged to a notorious group of whites. I would then invite them to a monthly meeting as the guest. They declined. LOL....
Heheheh! Too late... already tried. Good thing they were friends of mine or the outcome could have been a whole lot different.
Yeah, but try and tell a black person they can't call you "cracker" or "honky" and see how they react to that!!!
More of the situational hypocrisy of the left. You want to know why (some) Blacks can use that word? Because 'White boys' can't without being called a 'racist', let's call it reverse 'Affirmative Action'.
I don't believe in 'reverse' anything. I got in an argument just yesterday with some dufus that was spewing about 'reverse' discrimination. There is NO such thing as 'reverse' discrimination. Discrimination is discrimination.
My BikerHoop friend, you forgot the latest "cracker". That is not racism though and black on white crime is also not a hate crime. Go figure.
True! And the full-size version just might have a conceal and carry permit and be well trained in self-defense!
Yeah, they gotta go after the little ones because they know the full-size version would turn the tables on 'em.
I am more concerned with Foxx's comments during a recent interview thaqt one of the things he liked best about his role was that he got to "shoot a lot of white people".
You notice that 'the media' never seems to get excited about 'Whites' being called "Cracker, Honkey, Redneck, inbred, Trailer Park Trash"? I can't think of one site I've ever posted on where 'the N word' would get by the moderator, yet I've been called one of all those other words at one time or another, on several (especially liberal) sites.
Several years ago a high ranking member of the Washington, DC government was fired because he used "niggardly" in a description. The outrage was deafening.
That is my personal test of a good dictionary, my acid test. If the dictionary defines niggard and or niggardly properly, as in an attitude or pattern of behavior, not a racial epithet, as is now so popular. You are very correct!!
You're right. That one sometomes get's by me. I'm only 2nd generation American. My Grandparents were called "Mic's" (Irish) "Wops" (Italian) and "Frogs" (French). NY 'terms of indearment' from the early 20th century.
I don't remember ever hearing my Italian Grandfather greeting his friends with "What's up, my Woppa" though.
Yep, there's even a perfectly good word that sounds similar: Niggardly. It's a shame we can't use that one.
Niggardly : grudgingly mean about spending or granting
Nothing racist about it.