CREEPY: David Horowitz exposes Muslim hatred in one question

I’ve watched this video now 3 times and still can’t get over how expertly Horowitz plays this (H/T Allahpundit & David Horowitz):

MSA member: Good evening, I just wanted to say thank you for coming to campus tonight and presenting your point of view, its always important to have to sets of, ah, views going on at the same time. Um, very useful. My name is [Jimena Imad Musa Ahmal Bahiri](sp) and I’m a student here at UCSD. Ah I was reading your literature, I found that much more interesting than your talk, and I found some interesting things about the MSA, which is an organization that is very active on campus and is hosting our annual “Hitler Youth” week, you should come out to those events. Um, if you could clarify the connection between the MSA and Jihad terrorist networks, because last time I checked, we had to do our own fundraising, and we never get help from anyone. So if you could clarify the connection between UCSD’s MSA or if you don’t have such information, if you could connect other MSA’s on UC’s, because the connection wasn’t to clear in the pamphlet, just if you could clarify.

Horowitz: Okay. Will you condemn Hamas, here and now?

MSA member: I’m sorry, what?

Horowitz: Will you condemn Hamas?

MSA member: Would I condemn Hamas?

Horowitz: As a terrorist organization. Genocidal organization.

MSA member: Are you asking me to put myself on a cross?

Horowitz: So you won’t. I have actually had this experience many times. You didn’t actually read the pamphlet, because the pamphlet is chapter and verse. The main connection is that the MSA is part of the Muslim Brotherhood Network as revealed…

MSA member: I don’t think you understood what I meant by that. I meant if I say something, I am sure that I will be arrested, for reasons of homeland security. So if you could please just answer my question.

Horowitz: If you condemn Hamas, Homeland Security will arrest you?

MSA member: If I support Hamas, because your question forces me to condemn Hamas. If I support Hamas, I look really bad.

Horowitz: If you don’t condemn Hamas, obviously you support it. Case closed. I have had this experience at UC Santa Barbara, where there were 50 members of the Muslim Students Association sitting right in the rows there. And throughout my hour talk I kept asking them, will you condemn Hizbollah and Hamas. And none of them would. And then when the question period came, the president of the Muslim Students Association was the first person to ask a question. And I said, ‘Before you start, will you condemn Hizbollah?’ And he said, ‘Well, that question is too complicated for a yes or no answer.’ So I said, ‘Okay, I’ll put it to you this way. I am a Jew. The head of Hizbollah has said that he hopes that we will gather in Israel so he doesn’t have to hunt us down globally. For or Against it?

MSA member: For it.

Horowitz: Thank you for coming and showing everybody what’s here.

I was gonna wait until tomorrow to post this, but I’m so worked up over it I’m posting it now. This is exactly what the Walid Shoebats of the world are telling us that we are fighting against. She didn’t hesitate at the end to answer his question honestly and she completely exposed her hatred of the Jewish people. And the interesting thing is that it’s not just the Jews that they hate but also Christians, especially in the West. We are targets as well, and as we showed before, there are Muslim organizations setting up waiting for the call to Jihad in America.

I’m reading one of Walid Shoebat’s books and he says that most devout Muslims believe in the coming of the Mahdi, their messiah. They believe that when their Mahdi returns, that’s when Jihad begins. Shoebat says that there are many Muslims who come out now and oppose Osama Bin Laden for fighting Jihad. He says don’t be deceived – they are not peaceful Muslims; their beef with Osama Bin Laden is timing, that’s it. They believe he should wait until the coming of the Mahdi to wage Jihad. Wow.

UPDATE: In my haste I forgot to give credit for the post. Fixed.




  • ArlenWilliams

    Good grabs, from both Horowitz and Shoebat.

  • http://anotherblackconservative.blogspot.com/ Clifton B

    Horowitz does what so many of us fail to do and that is be direct. Too often we allow jihadist, leftists and assorted radicals to cloak their evil deeds with rhetorical dances. Do let them do it, pin them down with a simple and direct Yes or No question. Sooner or later they will spill the beans.

  • http://twitter.com/Colley1962 Pamela J. Bartley

    GREAT article!

  • http://twitter.com/Colley1962 Pamela J. Bartley

    The student, in the end, was obviously willing to be arrested for her #antiSemitic beliefs! She PROUDLY declared she was IN FAVOR OF #HAMAS! #UCSD

  • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

    Will someone please name ONE good thing Islam has done for mankind? Just one! “By their fruits, ye shall know them.” Alah is dead, and so is their religion of death.

  • babyboomer1960

    Kudos to David Horowitz for taking on the battle. On the one hand, I'm grateful that he's apparently willing (and able) to unmask the anti-semitic elements in academia. On the other, it's both revealing of the enemy, and ratchets up the ante in the battlefield in which he finds himself… Godspeed Mr. Horowitz!

  • pambas

    Better keep it focused … Will it is great to expose such hate-filled people such like this wannabe jihadist.

    Entering their war of world dementia is just ending them the victory.

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  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/U7LQAHKQMWAXNV3PT4SPJ4ZKTY Danny

    Yeah, dude, as a Jew I think this girl is an abomination, but I'm going to go ahead and name “mathematics”.

  • KeninMontana

    Mr.Horowitz nailed it “right between the running lights” with this “student”,another individual that has come to the fore in calling out this presistant threat to western civilization is Lt. Col. Allen West, this is a man we need representing us. Check out how he lays out this ongoing struggle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGQmCZjJ0k

  • KeninMontana

    that should be persistant

  • realitynotideology

    So many idiots in one room I'm glad I wasn't there.

    So yes, this girl is an idiot. Stupid people say stupid things.

    There is something actually funny about this though: Nasrallah never said that.

    And Horowitz knows better.

  • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

    I understand why you say, “stay focused.” (That was definitely the politically correct thing to say.) But how is what I said “dementia?” What did the religion of Islam do for anyone but bring death and destruction to every country (and most women) who has adopted it? While I am a Christian, it would be better FOR Muslims if they converted to the religion of the ancient Greeks and Romans. At least they could rebuild their countries using reason and sanity and not this death cult they currently adhere to.

  • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

    Islam didn't bring us Mathematics. People from Arabia (who probably learned most of it from the Greeks) did. As a Christian I am so grateful to the Jews for the culture and goodness their religion has brought the world. I am grateful to the country of Isreal, specifically, for having the courage to fight this death cult when America doesn't have the political will. Here is my bigger question. Forget the world… would individual Muslims be better off if they adopted ANY other religion that didn't “Praise Allah?!” My fight isn't with Muslims. It is with “Allah,” a “god” which has murdered more Muslims than any one else.

    I belong to a religion (LDS) which has been much maligned and lied about for almost two centuries so I am VERY sensitive to religious intolerence. But Isalm is not a religion, it is a death cult. I am open minded though. If someone can give me evidence that Islam has been good for individual people and countires, I will immediately apologize and change my tune.

  • KeninMontana

    Horowitz might have been mistaken on the identity of the hezbolla leader that did say it , as they seem to be having difficulties keeping that position filled thanks to the IDF's uncanny ability to put hellfire missiles into certain people's bedroom windows. But the sentiment is accurate.

  • http://mitchblatt.com mitch

    Once again, religion is shown to be irrational and hateful.

  • pambas

    Not political correct but rational thing to do, Islamic civilization have done much for this world, but now need some updates.

    I say that you need to stay focused because in Ben Laden Minds and this fool girl there is a ''struggle between Islam and the Great Satan(USA & Israel)'' …. which is complete lie. The struggle existe only in their minds and us adopting the same mindset of ''war of worlds'' only grant them the victory by validating their theory.

    This is not a religious question, if you make it one, then you are just helping Hamas, Hezbolla, Al Quaeda to get more recruits

  • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

    My friend. Please explain how I can be more focused. Should I obfuscate the truth in the name of “a struggle…” which “…only exists in their minds…?” Sorry. The pantie bomber didn't exist just in their minds. The Ford Hood murderer didn't exist just in their mind. And certainly 9/11 didn't exist just in their mind.

    You say Islamic “civilization” (if you dare to call it that) has done much good for this world. What??? Name the good and I'll apologize and change my tune immediately. I am sincerely open to my mind being changed. The evidence isn't there. The height of Islamic society was really the remnants of the old Roman Empire taken over by Muslims. It's kinda been down hill since then.

    You say they need to “update” their religion. I agree wholeheartedly! That update is called Judeau/Christian values. Seriously though. How do you propose that this update happen? It seems to me they need a new prophet to give them a new update/revelation. (Allah, are you listening?)

    Until then…The real question isn't for Muslims. The real question is for Allah, himself. Why does Allah hate civilization? Why does every civilization which adopts Judea u-Christian values become a bastion of individual liberty, growth, and prosperity for all while each tribesman and group which adopts Islam and the worship of Allah revert to individual death, chaos, and poverty for all?

    We have to be intellectually honest about these things or we will lose. We have to show love and understanding for these poor people who, despite the soul-damaging cancer which is Islam do tend to overcome their cult and live more tolerantly than their god.

    You say my mindset is validating “their theory.” What theory is that? They hate the west because the west is free. Islam hates freedom and individual liberty. It is not a value to Islam. (Please prove me wrong.) In a world of liberty allah is a dead god.

    Finally I ask you, Pambas, if a child is drinking poison into his body, is it loving to allow him to continue to drink because they might get upset at you? They may even try to “recruit” other children saying how mean you were to not let them drink the poison. How else do you keep the child from drinking the poison? How do you keep the child from giving the poison to other children?

    I guess the question for you is how else do we fight evil other than speaking the truth? Evil has a tendency to shrink from the streaming light of the truth.

    (Just so I'm clear with you… I NEVER called Muslims evil. I have consistently called Islam evil.)

  • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

    Like those religious nazis and religious communists. Oh, wait, sorry… that's right, the biggest murderers in the 20th century were the rational and loving atheists. If you meant to say Islam is irrational and hateful, I agree because Islam (along with the equally godless religion of “leftism”) is a death cult, not a religion.

    • Mirage35

      I would not call nazis and communists atheists at all. They worshipped their leaders as if they were gods. And they were certainly not rational; the nazis having virtually no grounds on how their ethnic cleansing (genocide) was making their aryan race stronger, and the communists advocating the prosperity their ideals would bring when it only threw them into poverty.

  • http://www.envisionliberty.weebly.com/ Mike Leavitt

    Out of curiosity, what did he say?

  • pambas

    Lets see if I can put it in some points :

    1- Islamic Civilization.
    In the Historical flow of ideas and knowledge, Islamic civilization have done a lot by conserving and perfecting Greek knowledge and later transmitting it to Europe after the middle age. I also helped to connect European civilization with the Far East and part of Africa. But Western European civilization can be seen has a perfection of what it has received from Islamic civilization and finally outgrew it and finally evolved to become now this near global civilization thanks to the ease of communication and transport … are the Islamic fundamentalist clinging to outdated concepts ? yes.

    2- The Struggle of Civilizations:

    This is a false concept, both in the american side and Jihadist side. The truth is that :

    a) The Jihadist don't attack the US because they hate freedom or prosperity of Americans, but because of the meddling of the US in the middle East. In this chapter we can have Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq among many of the countries targeted by the US hyper active foreign policies. Wether you agree or not with the actions abroad of the US, they are the main driver of terrrorism.

    b) In the deranged mind of jihadist the US have been fighting a war of oppression over the Muslim world and destroyed Islamic civilization … the truth is that they just went down by themselves and can't keep up with the fact that they love booze and short squirts.

    c) The Religious component of the Jihad is just an appropriate way to rally up support for the cause, after all a mystical struggle is always more sexy. Just remenber that even in the US the right is trying rally support over the mythology of the founding fathers and christian theme … would you negate that this is just a cloak convenient to rally support easily ?

    3) Judeo-Christian principles:

    I agree that a world complete with them would be better, but the prosperity and liberty is not a function of religion. You see China is living prosperous and most of Western europe also, despite the fact that they are now basically atheist and lost most of the religious fervour. It is a matter of cultural evolution and people of Islamic credo can do the transition to a more advanced cultural state.

    4- Bombing our way to success.

    a) People who follow Islam are mostly adults, so there is no comparison with the poison example
    b)Terrorist attacks can be planned any were … so occupying and bombing Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't prevent underwear bomber and Shazad Time Square aptemp.
    c) Entering the ''War against Islam'' mode will indeed be victory to you concede to Ben Laden … because remember what was his message ? ''The West is waging a war against Islam and want to distroy US'' … so are you going to climb in the bandwaggon and prove his point that you want to bomb them and do a remake of the crusades ?

    Ben Laden is in the Marketing bussines, he try to sell the idea of a world were religions are at war, negating him this pleasure would be the best to do and for this you must not enter his narrative.

    After all at this pace He would need 500 years to kill half of the US population.

  • poptoy1949

    Mr. Horowitz is one great man telling the truth every chance he gets. This is a good example. Thank you Mr. Horowitz.

  • KeninMontana

    Just a couple of things I find flawed in your arguement in point 1, it should read Arabic civilization,Isalm is a religion not an ethnic group. The Arabic culture benefited enormously from what it learned from the Europeans (ie Greeks and Romans, Galen the physician was a Roman, it was his writings from which the Arabs were able to advance their knowledge) Yes, they then passed it back to the Europeans with little or no advancement in knowledge.
    2 The jihadists are doing nothing more than continuing the religous wars of the crusades, which in the US did not participate in as we all know because we did not exist, as to destroying “Islamic culture and civilization” it has been stagnant for almost 1000 years their oppressor's are their own rulers and faith. The Israelies have every right to exist where they are as their presence predates Islam. Apparently your view is we should have let their Isalmic “neighbors” wipe them off the face of the earth. I'm not quite sure how you figure that the men we refer to as our Founding Fathers are a myth, if you do any reading on those men at all you will find that we openly discuss their human flaws right along with thier achievements after all they were men not dieties.
    3 China has (according to thier own figures) about 37 million people that live in abject poverty, hardly what I would call prosperity. European nations are beginning to collapse under the wieght of their own bloated social democratic governments,the only reason this did not happen sooner is the fact that these countries have minimum defense expenditures as the US through NATO pays for and provides the lion's share of their defense. You point on liberty and prosperity is correct as they are a result of philosophy more so than religion. As far as Isalm advancing goes I just don't see that happening as it does not possess the flexibilty of thought that other faiths do, I would point out the concept of dhimmitude as a prime example. The Quran is rife with others too numerous to go into here.
    4
    a. Are you kidding me? A faith that endorses telling young people that martyrdom is the only sure path to paradise and your harem of virgins is not poisoning their minds? Have you taken leave of yours? A faith that condones this? (By not speaking out against it they are complisant)
    b Yes you are correct.
    c Isalm engaged in a war with us as another Western country, we are responding and they should fall on their knees and thank Allah we do not engage them on the same level. Bin Laden as a marketer is mediochre at best this struggle between religion has been going on for far far longer , they are correct in at least one perception that this is a fight for survival, the survival of western civilization and individual freedom as well as equality under law.

  • pambas

    You have made good point sir ! But I just need to correct some stuffs

    1- Civilization is not about a particular etnic group, but instead about culture and knowledge adopted by people indenpedently of their etnic or racial constitution. What is now France was a once a well behaved Roman province and despite sharing no racial or etnic ground with the Roman pretty much absorbed the culture. Same can be said of what is now Greece and become Byzancium. In the Same tune, people from India, Saharian Africa, Spain and the Balkans adopted Islamic culture and knowledge … despite not being Arabic, so it is a matter of culture and not race. About wether Islamic civilization abvanced any knowledge it received from the Greek and Roman this is for geeky historians to decide.

    2- Has far I'm concerned the Israeli can nuke Cairo, Baghdad and Teheran and if I was 16 I would have joined has a volunteer, make a good money and have a badass IDF uniform at home. The point is that Islamic civilization is dying and engaging in a war against the ''west'' is just a way to try to survive, think of them like Castro and Hugo Chavez : Pathetic moron who are making noises, who cling to obsolete concepts and try to look relevant.

    3- I live in a hell hole were 90% of the population live in abject poverty, if I could live in a place like China it would be great. My comment a compliment to the cultural elements of western rule of law and Free Markets that made that possible in China … would you prefer them continue under Maoism madness ?

    4- a) I would support you financially to lunch a missionary campaign, but not to bomb thm into conversion. Yes Islam sucks, so do communism, Socialism and Totalitarian regimes, but I don't fell like we should invade Cuba, Birmania, France and Illinois to topple their socialistic regimes.

    b) thanks

    c) If struggle there is than you are fighting it the wrong way, remenber Arabic countries have not got any substancial economic, social and intellectual grow for the last 50 years. They don't posse any serious threat to the west and Ben Laden clowns are not near providing the potential for it. Has for Europe they are going done the drain not because teh Islamic are doing great, but because they also sucks … if you want to save them send Viagra down there, kick their butt until they understand that Marxism is a crap and give them a portrait of Thatcher to cling in their dinning rooms.

    Islamic civilization is not threat to Western civilization, in fact the West only enemies are the wacko socialist, who in fact have in common with the taliban and Ben Laden the same tribalistic view of the world : Islam vs Infides and Black/Latinos vs Whites …. sound familiar ?

  • http://twitter.com/VidaEstrada VeronicaEstrada

    did you guys happen to capture the audio of David on Hannity today?

  • Hinda39

    Since these college campuses are not PRIVATE but PUBLIC and get PUBLIC FUNDS – why isn't the State with-holding the funding? Where is our Attorney General (former governor Moonbeam) to condemn such actions and insisting that Homeland Security, ICE and the FBI come and get rid of these anti-American, pro-Nazi, pro-terrorist agencies? We do have laws!!!!

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  • http://twitter.com/DraimanForMayor Yj Draiman

    Questions for Moslem Leaders

    Can today’s leaders have the courage to ask the tough questions?

    Question 1: Why do Muslims follow an Anti-Semitic doctrine that refers to Jews as the “sons of pigs and apes” and why should we Jews respect a doctrine that calls for our demise? In the Hadith Muhammad said: ‘The time [of judgment] will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews and kill them; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh, Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him!” (Bukhari 4.52.176 & 177, and 4.56.791.)

    Question 2: Why are the nearly 300 verses that advocate violence towards non-believers not purged from the Koran?

    Question 3: Since Taqiyya (deception) is permissible within Islam, how can we in the West trust what you say?

    Question 4: The Koran states that Sharia Law supersedes all other laws. Do you agree with the Koran? And if you disagree, how can we trust that you are not practicing Taqiyya?

    Question 5: Why has there been no fatwa or decree issued by an Islamic cleric against Osama Bin Laden?

    Question 6: Why has there not been a decree or fatwa issued by an Islamic cleric against those Muslims who commit acts of terrorism against the non-believers?

    Question 7: We see mass organized street protests against the offenders of Islam. Why have we not seen any massive organized demonstrations by the Muslim community against terrorism committed by Muslims here at home in the name of Islam? A demonstration of “NOT IN MY NAME” would have eased the fears of millions of Americans, but such demonstrations have not been forthcoming.

    Question 8: The Muslim Student Association has wreaked havoc on our college campuses against not only Israel, but Jewish students and Jewish organizations have been the target of Muslim wrath. What has MPAC done to address and alleviate the assault on Israel and Jews?

    Question 9: Many of our elite universities are the beneficiaries of millions of dollars of Saudi oil money in exchange for biased Middle East public policy departments hostile to the Jewish State of Israel. Do you condone such policy and if not, have you taken a public stand against such practice?

    Question 10: The Hamas Charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Do you agree with that Charter? If not, then what steps have you taken to influence Hamas leadership to give up that quest? Any evidence to support your claims…..press releases, letters, etc.?

    Question 11: Anti-Semitism today is primarily emanating from the Muslim World. A leading Egyptian Islamic cleric Yusuf al Qaradawi has recently called for the use of violence against Jews and the United States. Have you publicly denounced his comments?

    Question 12: The Anti-Semitism we are now witnessing in Europe, not seen since the days of pre-World War II, is a direct correlation to the influx of Islamic immigration to that continent. Is Europe providing a glimpse of what is in store for American Jewry as Muslim continue their influx here at home?

    Question 13: Why do Muslim nations prohibit the construction of churches and synagogues within their midst while you continue to build mosques funded by Saudi money here in the United States?

    Question 14: Islamic textbooks published with Saudi money are being used here in Islamic schools. Anti-Semitic material has been found in these textbooks. Do you monitor what is being taught and can we see a copy of the textbooks?

    Question 15: When we look at a map of the world and the numerous conflicts throughout the globe, we note that just about all of the conflicts are between Muslims and their non-believing neighbors. In India, Thailand, Chechnya, Africa, Indonesia, Pakistan, Egypt, etc. we are witnessing the slaughter of Jews, Christians, and Hindus. Consequently, should we in the West not be weary of the danger Muslim immigration poses to the rest of us here at home?

    The questions noted must be asked and answered. Words alone are hollow without demonstrable deeds. It is those deeds that shall determine whether we in the West can rest assured that we have nothing to fear from the Islamists among us, and it is only then when we can begin the Kumbaya.

    This shows the zero day effect – our security vulnerability is exploited, before security experts can address it. The worst of it, is the distortion in the heads of leadership globally of what reality is, and the rigor mortis response that prevails.. and with no citizen participation pushing back against it in Europe